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A Mac is a PC these day's genius. Boot windows and you'll have a better PC than 95% of the rest of the world.
People should really stop using notebookcheck as the holy grail.
Let me point out where you are just plain wrong in so many levels.
1. The GPU clocks listet on notebookcheck isnt the ones used by Apple. Apple overclocked the factory clockspeeds and put the card in the rmbp.
1.1 Its also really easily overclocked to 1035/2700. But the standard 900/2500 is well overclocked fram factory clocks.
2. The notebook site gives no reference on what CPU is being used.
2.1 For us who have been here a while remember the change from nvidia 320m to intel hd 3000 in 2011. on macbook airs and pros (not 15"). Notebook check clearly listed the hd 3000 as better then the 320m. However, when people investigated more, it was found out that the intel d 3000, was running along with a quad core i7, and the 320m was running with core 2 duo. In those comparison between hd 3000 vs 320m.
Fair? No. The 320m was a better card, cleary, at least in Windows.
3. With vsync off, im getting anything from 50-80 fps on crysis, with high texture packs on high, everything else medium. 1280x800. And thats with ****** drivers. So crysis 3 is definitly more then playable on the macbook pro retina.
I have already taken account of the overclocked performance of the rMBP, comparing it equally to a GTX 660m. I am just trying to prove my point that a HD 5770 performs above the rMBP's GPU, which it does and with a score of 17844 in the 3D Mark 06 test. According to GPU-Z, regardless of the core frequency of the GT 650M being 900 MHz under load, the system scored 14848 points in the 3DMark 06 test, which places its performance right below a GTX 660m with a value of 15019.8. If you want to factor in processors as well than we still won't see any significant performance boosts, as either machine is most likely using similar quad-core processors.
Even though I may be referencing notebookcheck a lot, it is still a reliable source to gather 'average' benchmark results. If you want to see the REAL values of what each computer's GPU is capable of then you would check out the actual reviews of the unit that detail everything.
Crysis 3 is playable no doubt, but it's not as enticing if you need to sacrifice using a resolution lower than the rMBP's scaled native resolution (1440x900).
Hopefully you realize that a laptop is not going to playing games at 2880 by 1800 on ultra setting. Even a high-end desktops will struggle at that resolution unless you're using a sli which it will still struggle.
You do have a point with DX9 testing. Move into DX10-11 and the 5770 becomes quite a bit slower very quickly. Same as my 5870. The 650m gets close to leveling the field with DX10-11 based games. The procs in the retina are quite a bit faster than any Quad Mac Pro. But they make no difference in the results for graphic tests like these.
Not really related but for some reason windows won't let me pick 1440x900
It's 1680x1050
Or 1280x800 and some 16:9 resolutions in between.
Therefor I use 1680x1050 in every game and 1280x800 in Crysis 3.
However if u see the vid I posted on the first page. There is issues with Crysis and the latest drivers. They aren't optimized at all. And the GPU usage isn't constant. I'f It where
The performance would been great. Same thing when Crysis 2 came out. But drivers fixed that eventually.
When I can run battlefield 3 at 1680x1050 at high/medium preset with constant 60fps, it seemed odd why Crysis 3 was THAT demanding, and a quick check in the video revealed that.
Another point also. Going very off topic. Is that I'm
Actually blown away by the performance of the rMBP. 1680x1050 in bf3 with that high framerates. Is unbelievable almost. All though my card is heavily over clocked, and haven't tested with stock clocks. Great thing is it never goes over 75 degrees because of fan control
adjustments
henrikrox, i have rMBP 2.6 ghz 8 GB RAM, and temperature of my GPU (with stock 900mhz) is 78-85, when im playing games. So I have throttle of GPU to 725 mhz. How u think its hardware problem?
Yes. And it is slow as hell. It's advantage drops off the cliff. It supports it but it does not excel at it. If a 5770 has a 20% advantage to 650m in DX 9 it has a 1% disadvantage to 650m in DX11.
use a fan control before starting to play games, and set it to max 6000rpm. i had the same problem with throttling, because the fans wouldnt spin up to much, resulting in the computer getting warm.
If u see the vid i postet, it never goes go 70 degrees C, and thats with a overclock.
So try to run the games with the fans at max, and see if u see a difference
What program are you using to control your fans in Windows? Speedfan doesn't show the existence of my fans for some odd reason.
LubbosFanControl
If you have the rMBP, u need to open the FanControl.infi file in notepad, and change the following setting to:
CPUkey=TC0F
To stop the fans spinning at max all the time
I answered you on YouTube. I tried lubbos tsontrol 6000 RPM fan and CPU Turbo Stop by setting min/max CPU state lower than 100%. So It's look better, but it's throttling again after 10 minutes of playing, and my temperature with lubbos fan control, and CPU Turbo off is about 80-85, before it's throttling. So u have much colder macbook... Maybe I need to go to Apple Store and get repair?
So I did 3 videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCw5hP9iFL8 - without lubos, Turbo ON
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdtw6Hq1sh8 - with lubos, Turbo ON
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx05QPK31ic - with lubos, Turbo OFF
screenshots of MSI Afterburner and RealTemp under the videos.
So I have hiccaps, skips frames.
GPU from 900 mhz to 725 mhz
CPU from 2.6 ghz to 1.2 ghz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCw5hP9iFL8 - without lubos, Turbo ON
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdtw6Hq1sh8 - with lubos, Turbo ON
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx05QPK31ic - with lubos, Turbo OFF
screenshots of MSI Afterburner and RealTemp under the videos.
So I have hiccaps, skips frames.
GPU from 900 mhz to 725 mhz
CPU from 2.6 ghz to 1.2 ghz
Your CPU Is way to hot.
Is that with fans at 6000 rpm? My GPU never goes over 75. And the CPU never goes over 85.
Seems like a bad thermal paste job or something. What's your room temp?
Edit; saw the videos. Seems throttling starts when you are past 95 degrees. This reminds of that threat regarding throttling after the newest firmware to retina MacBook pros. However your CPU is definitely to warm.
More info here
http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/11/13/some-15-retina-macbook-pro-users-complain-of-graphics-issues-after-efi-update
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1452267/
Seems very similar to the problems you are having
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yes, 2 and 3 videos with setting fans at 6000 rpm. My room temp is ~22.
And I have stand for my macbook with fan...
So I need to get repair from Apple?
overheating, bad pixels and image retention...
edit: I read some info that CPU of Macbook Retina can heat up to 105 degrees and it is normal... When I convert video, doing 3D rendering, the CPU temperature > 100 degrees C.
2nd edit: I have this problem earlier, and here SMC reset helps me... This problem is that the card underclock even when not overheating. Until reset SMC Cinebench gave me about 15 frames per second, and 37 after. I think it's another problem...
3rd edit: "Intel notes on its website that the Tjunction maximum, or highest operating temperature specification, of the processors used in the Retina MacBook Pro is 105 degrees Celsius, a much higher threshold than where forum members are seeing throttles. This could mean the problem lies in how the thermal management system handles the data from the digital thermal sensor (DTS), which is integral in calculating a processor's Tjunction."
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Set your CPU to 95% under Processor power management/Maximum processor state plugged in.
Your temps will drop dramatically without affecting performance and you will be happily gaming for hours without throttling
.Set your CPU to 95% under Processor power management/Maximum processor state plugged in.
Your temps will drop dramatically without affecting performance and you will be happily gaming for hours without throttling
I set it to 99% already. In 3rd video u can see that CPU Turbo is off...
edit: Look maximum temperature when TURBO off http://fastpic.ru/view/52/2013/0226/08146e1dce71aede52c91a7df44c419d.png.html
2nd edit: 5 minutes of playing Diablo III on OS X
1. Temperature goes to ~100
2. Fans boost their speed to ~6000rpm
3. Temperatuere goes down to ~80-85
4. CPU doesn't throttle
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Try 95% then and report back.
I keep mine at 95% and have never throttled at all no matter how many hours i game.
I have a base spec 15inch RMBP though so your CPU i imagine runs hotter but more of a reason to drop it to 95%.
I keep mine at 95% and have never throttled at all no matter how many hours i game.
I have a base spec 15inch RMBP though so your CPU i imagine runs hotter but more of a reason to drop it to 95%.
I'll try it, but see my post above. On OS X CPU can run 3.4 ghz and no throttle... And temperature stays stable about 80-85 degrees. I don't know about GPU frequences...
GPU usage will not be as high playing Diablo 3 so that is not a good example as even if it is pushing the CPU hard it will not be pushing the GPU the same as Crysis 3 will .
You would have to find something on OSX that will push the computer equally to Crysis 3 then your can start drawing comparisons about throttling or not.
You would have to find something on OSX that will push the computer equally to Crysis 3 then your can start drawing comparisons about throttling or not.
hmmm okey a can try benchmark Unigine Heaven 4.0...
results with 95%:
edit: U can see throttling GPU from 900 to 725 mhz and CPU from 2.4 ghz to 1.3 ghz while playing
2nd edit: I reset SMC every time when Im booting in Windows. At this time in the game passes too many frames. Gaming was impossible. Fans spinning at 6000 rpm. I use Lubos.
3rd: Oh Im sorry RealTemp launch Prime95... I repeated the test.
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