rMBP Ghosting Poll . . .

[Xcelerate]

Im starting to think that they all have this "issue" and that those who say they don't have ghosting are not checking the right way.

1. Set desktop background to dark grey.
2. Make sure in energy settings auto dim and sleep is set to never.
3. Open safari and go to google and leave the page on for 5-10 mins.
4. Press comman+H to hide safari and check for ghosting.

The ghost image disappears after about a minute.

I think you may be right. You have to do the test at full brightness. At first I thought nothing was "wrong", but if you look VERY VERY closely at the gray background (if you have Google+, where the profile icon was or where the Safari search bar is) then you can faintly see it.

Could someone who claims they DON'T have ghosting perform that test exactly as written and take a macro photo of the upper right corner of the screen? Color discrimination can be different among people so it may just be that some people see it and some don't.

 

[leenak]

So are you really presuming that those of us without ghosting have a visual problem with our screens that we can't see?

What I did notice is that the color of fonts was off for my Geektool date/time output. I didn't see any ghosting after carefully examining the screen after having the google page up for 15-20 minutes at full brightness with a grey background screen.

I figure if I can't see it, then how is it a problem?

 

[melterx12]

I think you may be right. You have to do the test at full brightness. At first I thought nothing was "wrong", but if you look VERY VERY closely at the gray background (if you have Google+, where the profile icon was or where the Safari search bar is) then you can faintly see it.

Could someone who claims they DON'T have ghosting perform that test exactly as written and take a macro photo of the upper right corner of the screen? Color discrimination can be different among people so it may just be that some people see it and some don't.

Read my last post on the first page. I went to the Apple Store today and got my retina macbook replaced. Having tested my replacement macbook using the same steps I originally posted three times, I can confirm my replacement macbook does not have this issue.

*knock on wood*

 

[Xcelerate]

So are you really presuming that those of us without ghosting have a visual problem with our screens that we can't see?

No.

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Read my last post on the first page. I went to the Apple Store today and got my retina macbook replaced. Having tested my replacement macbook using the same steps I originally posted three times, I can confirm my replacement macbook does not have this issue.

*knock on wood*

Okay, good to know. Thanks for the reply.

 

[biscuitsxluv]

I have ghosting. Im starting to think that they all have this "issue" and that those who say they don't have ghosting are not checking the right way.

1. Set desktop background to dark grey.
2. Make sure in energy settings auto dim and sleep is set to never.
3. Open safari and go to google and leave the page on for 5-10 mins.
4. Press comman+H to hide safari and check for ghosting.

The ghost image disappears after about a minute.

I did the test 2 times and left it longer than 5 minutes. So far so good!
Even if it's there, I'm sure it'll fade away. So it's not biggie to me.
I just want to use it and enjoy then sell it later.

Thanks for this.

 

[ReddestDream]

Poll should have been just a simple yes/no. Don't think the configurations have much of an effect on bad retina panels.

I thought it might be an issue with a particular batch of panels, and that this hypothetical batch might have only been used on models with particular configurations. I ordered a BTO model, and I had hoped I could rule my particular configuration out.

The issue is definitely with the display and not with any other component.

Thanks everybody for your great feedback and test results!

. . . If anyone can make one, a video of a rMBP that does NOT have the ghosting issue running through the gray-background test with serveral time intervals (5, 10, 20 min) would be awesome!

 

[PatAU]

Is this the process everyone is using to check?

I used the following method (ten minute duration) on my base model and had the faintest google image for ~ 7 seconds.

1. Set desktop background to dark grey.
2. Make sure in energy settings auto dim and sleep is set to never.
3. Open safari and go to google and leave the page on for 5-10 mins.
4. Press comman+H to hide safari and check for ghosting.

 

[zerotiu]

I used the following method (ten minute duration) on my base model and had the faintest google image for ~ 7 seconds.

1. Set desktop background to dark grey.
2. Make sure in energy settings auto dim and sleep is set to never.
3. Open safari and go to google and leave the page on for 5-10 mins.
4. Press comman+H to hide safari and check for ghosting.

i think it is normal for IPS panel. Even lenovo make their IPS support page about ghosting (http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/detail.page?submit=true&componentID=1316095732544&DocID=HT051485)

and from all the ghosting threads, I'm not sure if I can sleep or cannot sleep tonight , I've ordered 2.3 16gb

 

[RS2]

After checking out two MacBook Pro with Retina display at an Apple Store with no visible ghosting I decided to send back my two weeks old machine since I'm having severe image retention. I hope the new one will have a perfect display since it seems to be a limited display problem and the Apple Support staff strongly adviced to exchange it right now instead of waiting for an official statement.

 

[photosaurus]

I performed the steps in the 2nd post, and did not detect any ghosting whatsoever. However, upon setting the background to dark gray, I instantly located a dead pixel in the middle of my screen! I quickly blew on it, and the dead pixel, which was actually a spec of dust, went away. Few!!!

 

[teeejay]

I performed the steps in the 2nd post, and did not detect any ghosting whatsoever. However, upon setting the background to dark gray, I instantly located a dead pixel in the middle of my screen! I quickly blew on it, and the dead pixel, which was actually a spec of dust, went away. Few!!!

You ve made laugh good for you!

 

[dabbler]

i think it is normal for IPS panel. Even lenovo make their IPS support page about ghosting (http://support.lenovo.com/en_US/detail.page?submit=true&componentID=1316095732544&DocID=HT051485)

and from all the ghosting threads, I'm not sure if I can sleep or cannot sleep tonight , I've ordered 2.3 16gb

Is there any confirmation at all that this problem is due to the nature of IPS?

On my base model, doing the dark grey background, safari on google for 20minutes at max brightness, I can swear there is a faint square on the screen after safi is hidden - but nothing else.

 

[zerotiu]

Is there any confirmation at all that this problem is due to the nature of IPS?

On my base model, doing the dark grey background, safari on google for 20minutes at max brightness, I can swear there is a faint square on the screen after safi is hidden - but nothing else.

I also wait for some confirmation about this but can it be put this way.. : Lenovo have a support page about IPS ghosting. If it is not true, electronic reviewers like anandtech, engadget, etcs would have said something.

I myself rarely set to max brightness and I always put my screen off when it is idle for 5-10minutes. So any ghosting will be gone after I come back to use the computer. I just visualize this, looks like it won't't bother me. I don't know, I've waited for 2.5 weeks

 

[7even]

Those that have noticeable ghosting, care to post your screen model number? Under Displays - Color, make sure Color LCD is selected and click Open Profile. Then see the info under #17.

I had an A00F that had no ghosting; just received a replacement, backlight is more even than the previous one but it's an A00E and I noticed more banding in gradients and a slight afterimage that faded away quickly. Still have to do more testing but I wonder how it will be. Same manufacturer code in both cases, 610.

EDIT: Colors seem better on the A00E. There's slightly more backlight bleed. Arrrg.

 

[RS2]

Those that have noticeable ghosting, care to post your screen model number? Under Displays - Color, make sure Color LCD is selected and click Open Profile. Then see the info under #17.

See enclosure.

 

[melterx12]

Those that have noticeable ghosting, care to post your screen model number? Under Displays - Color, make sure Color LCD is selected and click Open Profile. Then see the info under #17.

I had an A00F that had no ghosting; just received a replacement, backlight is more even than the previous one but it's an A00E and I noticed more banding in gradients and a slight afterimage that faded away quickly. Still have to do more testing but I wonder how it will be. Same manufacturer code in both cases, 610.

EDIT: Colors seem better on the A00E. There's slightly more backlight bleed. Arrrg.

my first macbook had A00E and ghosting.

my replacement has A00F no ghosting. also it appears to have a more uniform backlight.

 

[Boiler]

Not at store

At Detroit apple store three models on display no ghosting observed

 

[ReddestDream]

I have ghosting. Im starting to think that they all have this "issue" and that those who say they don't have ghosting are not checking the right way.

1. Set desktop background to dark grey.
2. Make sure in energy settings auto dim and sleep is set to never.
3. Open safari and go to google and leave the page on for 5-10 mins.
4. Press comman+H to hide safari and check for ghosting.

The ghost image disappears after about a minute.

I just got my rMBP in yesterday!

I ran it through the proceedure described above, and I saw no ghosting. I tried it twice: once for 5 min and once for about 7-8 min. I examined the screen at different angles and under different lighting conditions. I also had an unbiased observer look at it too. No issues. Seems to be working perfectly.

I'm trying to keep it clean until my case comes, so I won't be messing with it too much for the next week or so. If anyone is interested, I can run more tests, post pictures, or get specific information on my display's particular revision/model.

Thanks for all your help!

Edit: My specs: 2.7/16/512; A00E, Week 28.

Edit: I just repeated the test with the highest brightness setting. Still nothing. Tested it a fourth time. Still no ghosting.

 

[Xcelerate]

Those that have noticeable ghosting, care to post your screen model number? Under Displays - Color, make sure Color LCD is selected and click Open Profile. Then see the info under #17.

I have image retention on an A00F model. The phone support guy at Apple connected me to what I think was one of their engineers. He asked some questions and then told me the image retention is a problem they have been having on a very small subset of RMBPs. He scheduled an appointment for me at an Apple store and said I would be able to just swap it out, and that they want to run some tests on my original RMBP.

 

[Xcelerate]

Alright, I brought my laptop into an Apple store and swapped it out. Got home, opened it, and immediately noticed a blob of fuzzy/pressure damaged pixels on the new one. Brought it back the next day and got yet another one. This time I opened it in the Apple store!

No problems. I can say having seen both a laptop with the image retention and one without that there is a very real, very noticeable difference.

From the "Color LCD" information under "Displays", this one has identical specs (A00F model) as my original one that had image retention. So you won't be able to tell if you have it by looking at any sort of system information.

 

[jcpb]

Bah. I voted wrong. w/e

 

[sireShonBohn]

I've had three 2.6/16GB so far and they've all had ghosting. (two returned for cosmetic defect in the aluminum exterior.) I have trouble believing that some screens exhibit NO ghosting. Perhaps they simply exhibit less, require more time to develop the behavior, or the users aren't sure of what to look for? It could be the shade of gray it appears on is different, it seems that a certain range of grays, not to dark nor to light, cause this to appear much more prominently.

I can switch between solid gray light, and solid gray medium and see only perfectly smooth color, but solid gray dark reveals the ghosting.

My screen is A00F and exhibits easily identifiable ghosting.

 

[708692]

Haven't seen any ghosting on my 2.6/16gb/512gb. However, I was using Chrome on the iPad (1st gen) last night and saw ghosting when I switched back to springboard. The whole address bar could clearly be seen sitting behind the icons.

This is the first time i've seen it happen on the ipad.

 

[sireShonBohn]

Mine will be here towards the middle of this month but if it has ghosting I will just return for a refund. Such a long delay for initial shipping is not worth waiting even longer for another.

Mac products are basically the most expensive on the market and should not be subject to these types of problems. What really bothers me is their mentality is that they have higher quality products so they can charge more. Then when their products have problems, they revert back to demonstrating how other similar devices have the same problems. Sorry, you cant sell me something on its uniqueness then dismiss problems by generalizing.

I might return mine for a refund if there isn't a solution, I've gone through this 3 times now and I'm not willing to wait again...

Maybe this issue is similar to the stuck or slow pixel phenomenon. A stuck pixel can be fixed by "exercising" the affected pixels with a rapidly changing R-G-B pattern. Perhaps this can be used to fix the ghosting issue or to reduce it?

 

[MTShipp]

Using Caffeine, I left my rMBP on the iTunes screen for over 4 hours today with a static image.

No ghosting.