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rMBP Mouse?
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Very nice.
The microsoft intellimouse optical (one of the first 5 button mice) has basically been my religion for the past decade. I've tried all sorts of modern mice over the years and none can touch it. Now that my last one died and I can't seem to find a replacement I'm kind of lost. I've been using a logitech performance mouse mx for the time being and it's pretty solid, but I'm still not a big fan of wireless mice as they aren't quite as precise. I may get a steelseries sensei as it seems to be as close to my beloved intellimouse as a modern mouse is going to get.
What leads you to surmise that I haven't read the entire thread? Your fingertips rest on the Magic Mouse, and your fingers are on your hand. Your claim that your hand does not wrest on the mouse is incorrect.
You're arguing over semantics. I'm pretty sure you realize the guy means that mice are meant to be gripped with the palm and fingers rather than only the latter. I'm not sure I entirely agree, but I do still hate all of apple's mice. Razer's earlie mice were okay for finger-controlled nice.. But the palm grip ones are definitely more comfortable IMO.
Is that just a newer version of mine? I got it with a compaq back in 01 and ive gotta say its a very robust and ergonomic mouse. Simple, elegant and effective. I dont get some of these new mental, frankenstein mice. Are these weird designs really optimal ergonomically or is it just for show. They're so OTT
Yeah, the performance is really nice, I love it, just a bit of a pain loosing a usb to it, although this will be less of problem once thunderbolt drives come down in price!
Here's what mine looks like.
I agree, I'm not too keen on these modern contraptions. I think a short list of the more modern features are useful, and a much longer list is comprised of "UBER GAMING!!!11!" marketing and blatant BS. But to each their own, maybe they're great.
Hello RSI.
I also own the Logitech Anywhere MXseemed like a good choice because it is portable and tracks on just about anything, but after a few months I started experiencing RSI-related problems.
The best mouse as far as overall ergonomics are concerned is the Razer DeathAdder or one of the Microsoft mice that it is based on in my opinion. Perfect fit for my hand, and I have yet to find anyone that has spent any time with one that didnt like the fit.
The Razer DeathAdder has the best mouse sensor available as far as accurate tracking and lack of issues such as jitter, angle snapping, and acceleration are concerned.
Anything with a laser isnt very good. They have jitter, issues when lifting off the mat (if you use low sensitivity) and suffer from acceleration. (inaccuracy)
I recommend the Black Edition if you arent into a gamer style mouse with glowing LEDs.
(colour is a bit darker than that photo)
I wouldnt believe what Logitech says about battery life. My Anywhere MX supposedly lasted three months (seems to have been removed from their site now) yet I barely get two weeks out of a freshly charged set of Apples batteries. (good thing the charger came with six so I always have a fresh set)
Im having similar issues with my solar-powered keyboard. Seems to keep losing charge despite being in full sunlight all day. (measures 500+ on the meter)
I dont think they make very good products at all.
In what way is a device that allows a multitude of comfortable holding positions likely to trigger RSI? It is far more related to the height of the surface the mouse is on, and the angle at the wrist during use. The Magic Mouse holding position is similar to that of holding a pen, a relaxed and natural position, so I don't see where you are getting that from.
My work requires me to be familiar with these matters, and I know ISO 9241 (ergonomics of human-system interaction) pretty much back to front, so I know what I'm talking about.
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After many years with a Mac, I've got a huge number of keyboard shortcuts down cold. As a result I'm much faster & far more accurate, using the keyboard instead of a mouse.
But then again I use a Mac for many hours per day. If you're interested in a speedy work flow, nothing beats investing the time to learn how useful the keyboard really is.
But then again I use a Mac for many hours per day. If you're interested in a speedy work flow, nothing beats investing the time to learn how useful the keyboard really is.
I have a really enjoyable job, (R&D) & a huge capacity for accomplishment. Therefore I'm always working to increase my skills. For pointing I have a mouse at hand, yet rarely use it. Beginning with Apples first glass trackpad, I've become very fast & surprisingly accurate with it. As accurate as a mouse in all but the most confining spaces.
I'm one to eagerly embrace change & make maximum use out of new developments. Apples gestures have evolved into a most amazing & sometimes subtle array of actions. Far greater than many of the engineers in my lab even realize, I'm using every single one of them
I have a really enjoyable job, (R&D) & a huge capacity for accomplishment. Therefore I'm always working to increase my skills. For pointing I have a mouse at hand, yet rarely use it. Beginning with Apples first glass trackpad, I've become very fast & surprisingly accurate with it. As accurate as a mouse in all but the most confining spaces.
I'm one to eagerly embrace change & make maximum use out of new developments. Apples gestures have evolved into a most amazing & sometimes subtle array of actions. Far greater than many of the engineers in my lab even realize, I'm using every single one of them
Right, I love the trackpad, but you mentioned keyboard shortcuts which is what I was referring to. If the trackpad wasn't as useful as it is now, what type of mouse would you use?
I have one of these at work, and one for my Mac Pro at home.
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice-pointers/mice/performance-mouse-mx
I recommend the Razer Orochi. It's small, but not tiny and fits comfortably in the hand. It uses bluetooth so you don't require an additional dongle sticking out of your computer. There's also a cable included so you can use it in a wired mode if input lag is a concern or your battery dies or something. For about the same price as a magic mouse, I'd take the Razer any day.
For those who are recommending gaming / customisable mouse, can anyone please comment on software support for OS X — aren't many of these only supported by Windows drivers?
Also wondered what is the point of very fast gaming mice on OS X as the OS introduces a very significant lag due to the window compositor compared to Windows, though this is contested by some and confirmed by others:
http://d43.me/blog/1205/the-cause-for-all-your-mac-os-x-mouse-annoyances/
specifically look at John Carmack's comment (cofounder of iD software, game programming guru blah blah; he uses a high speed camera to objectively measure the OS X lag, however on an older macbook):
http://d43.me/blog/1205/the-cause-for-all-your-mac-os-x-mouse-annoyances/#comment-51313
Does anyone here who uses the rMBP bootcamped with fast mice notice any differences across OSes?
Also wondered what is the point of very fast gaming mice on OS X as the OS introduces a very significant lag due to the window compositor compared to Windows, though this is contested by some and confirmed by others:
http://d43.me/blog/1205/the-cause-for-all-your-mac-os-x-mouse-annoyances/
specifically look at John Carmack's comment (cofounder of iD software, game programming guru blah blah; he uses a high speed camera to objectively measure the OS X lag, however on an older macbook):
http://d43.me/blog/1205/the-cause-for-all-your-mac-os-x-mouse-annoyances/#comment-51313
Does anyone here who uses the rMBP bootcamped with fast mice notice any differences across OSes?
I used to be content with my MacBook Pros trackpad, but after using a PC with a good mouse (Razer DeathAdder) for a few years, I was surprised at just how bad the trackpad felt when returning to it, and Im using a mouse with this temporary MacBook whenever possible.
I have seen people on the forums complaining about Razers drivers on OS X, but Ive had no issues whatsoever using the DeathAdder Black Edition on this loaner MacBook. (currently waiting on new PC parts for my main system) This is the regular driver Im using and not Synapse though, didnt see a need to install that for a five-button mouse.
Normally I would say not to even bother installing the driversI dont on Windowsas the mouse defaults to 500Hz polling, 1600 CPI and zero acceleration/angle snapping, which is usually ideal, but OS Xs mouse handling is weird.
Ive had to bump it up to 1000Hz and 3500 CPI to get the same kind of feel as I do at 1600 CPI in Windowsand even then it still feels laggy.
You still want minimal latency on the input device and display.
Even if the Mac has multiple frames of latency (between 33 & 50ms from the look of it) everything else you introduce is on top of that.
If OS X introduces 33ms latency, my display adds 33ms, and then a mouse polled at the standard 125Hz of USB adds another 8ms on top of that, so 74ms total latency, or five frames of latency (at 60Hz) before your input is shown.
If you have a 1000Hz mouse, its only adding 1ms latency which brings that down to 67msfour frames of latency.
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Thanks for the feedback on the drivers, just to add that I think the 33ms lag referred to in the article is the compositor lag John Carmack observed, so that they are not additive. The weird thing is the variance Carmack observed, 41 up to 70ms between hand movement and mouse cursor movement, the compositor in his example is forcing an effective 14-24Hz mouse sampling->movement rate and at maximum a 60Hz limit on any mouse movement. Mouse hardware polling at 1000Hz still seems largely ineffective as at best the OS can only ever update the cursor at 60Hz, so an 8ms vs a 1ms response is always resampled to a visual movement at 16.6ms at best, with the compositor delaying updates across frames making that even worse.
I respectfully disagree. I own both the Magic Mouse and a Logitech, and use the latter way more! The Magic Mouse just feels awkward to use for me.