rMBP outside in the sun?

FatGuy007

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Is it hard to see? I know they "improved" it, but if your out in a cafe or just in the sun, will the screen have a massive glare like the old MBP's?
 

jav6454

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Is it hard to see? I know they "improved" it, but if your out in a cafe or just in the sun, will the screen have a massive glare like the old MBP's?
Glare is glare, the only way around it is a brighter screen. What Apple did was allow more brightness and used a type of glass that is marketed as reducing glare.
 

FatGuy007

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Macbook Pro's have a high-res anti glare option which you can see perfectly in the sun.
I just wanted to ask about the users experience, is it hard to see the screen?
 

jav6454

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Macbook Pro's have a high-res anti glare option which you can see perfectly in the sun.
I just wanted to ask about the users experience, is it hard to see the screen?
That "Anti-Glare" screen is nothing more than not putting the glass cover on the Mac. In other words, it is the display itself you are looking at with nothing in between.
 

archurban

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don't get me wrong. as long as it is equipped with glossy screen, it doesn't matter whether Apple told you that it's improved and better. it's still glossy. if you don't want that way, you should buy matte screen. actually, I have used matte screen quiet long time. it's great. it's even clear than glossy in any kind of situation. personally, I am not really impressed rMBP. it's just another version of macbook air with retina display. I have seen the case of chance to get in trouble is much huge than normal MBP. Apple's slowly faced with limitation. going too much faster is sometimes not good. I keep an eye on something how long apple will survive even after lawsuit against samsung. it's literally suicidal. in 21st century, coopreation is only way to survive. unfortunately, apple has been totally opposite way to deal with other companies.
 

FatGuy007

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don't get me wrong. as long as it is equipped with glossy screen, it doesn't matter whether Apple told you that it's improved and better. it's still glossy. if you don't want that way, you should buy matte screen. actually, I have used matte screen quiet long time. it's great. it's even clear than glossy in any kind of situation. personally, I am not really impressed rMBP. it's just another version of macbook air with retina display. I have seen the case of chance to get in trouble is much huge than normal MBP. Apple's slowly faced with limitation. going too much faster is sometimes not good. I keep an eye on something how long apple will survive even after lawsuit against samsung. it's literally suicidal. in 21st century, coopreation is only way to survive. unfortunately, apple has been totally opposite way to deal with other companies.
Even if they don't deal with samsung well, many companies are willing to make deals and contracts with them if they drop their contract.
 

katmeef

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Sitting in the shade outdoors on a sunny day I prefer my Rmbp over my old 09 13" mbp as Apple has reduced the glare by affixing the glass directly to the LCD. The glare on my 09 made it very difficult for me to see outdoors under any circumstances, regardless that it's screen could go brighter than the Rmbp.
 

Jaro65

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That "Anti-Glare" screen is nothing more than not putting the glass cover on the Mac. In other words, it is the display itself you are looking at with nothing in between.
I thought there was more to it than that in regards to the matte MBPs. I thought that Apple was actually doing something more than just not putting a glass over the screen to lower the reflectivity of the LCD panel.
 

SurferMan

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That "Anti-Glare" screen is nothing more than not putting the glass cover on the Mac. In other words, it is the display itself you are looking at with nothing in between.
Don't think so there, the Air's don't have the extra glass covering, and are completely different from the previous high-res antiglare option on the Pro. I had a an Air and it was def different from my 15" HR antiglare and def wasn't as good as reducing glare vs the 15.

I don't know what the specifics are but Apple obviously did other things for that option.
 

jav6454

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Don't think so there, the Air's don't have the extra glass covering, and are completely different from the previous high-res antiglare option on the Pro. I had a an Air and it was def different from my 15" HR antiglare and def wasn't as good as reducing glare vs the 15.

I don't know what the specifics are but Apple obviously did other things for that option.
The air never had a cover like the MacBook or MacBook Pro. Notice I didn't include the Air in that description. Just the MacBook Pro line.

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I thought there was more to it than that in regards to the matte MBPs. I thought that Apple was actually doing something more than just not putting a glass over the screen to lower the reflectivity of the LCD panel.
Yeah, that's all they did. Matte was just a "no glass cover" on the display.
 

alphaod

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If the sun is shining directly behind you onto the screen, you can't see with a antiglare display either. The "antiglare" element will defuse light and cause just as much of an viewing issue, though it will be more visible than a purely glossy display.

Contrary to popular belief, an antiglare display has nothing to do with what's on the top layer. It's simply easier to coat a display with a light diffusing surface. Just look at other display technologies. For example Nokia's ClearBlack panel is a antiglare panel as well dispite having a glossy top layer. It uses polarizing techniques to minimize glare.

Back to the Mac: Remedy for glare? Turn up the display brightness and don't have the sun sit behind you.
 
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Feed Me

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I've been frequently using my rMBP in the bright sun in the garden, and it's perfectly comfortable at maximum brightness. Provided you don't bounce the sun off the screen and into your face, glare isn't really a problem.
 

gentlefury

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The air never had a cover like the MacBook or MacBook Pro. Notice I didn't include the Air in that description. Just the MacBook Pro line.

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Yeah, that's all they did. Matte was just a "no glass cover" on the display.
Actually the rMBP is a no extra layer of glass display. A matte is a finish that is bonded to a no extra glass screen. Look online for removing a matte coating. You will see its glossy under all that filtration.
 

leman

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No laptop, glossy or anti-glare is useable under bright sun. That's just the limit of the modern technology.
 

calderone

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The air never had a cover like the MacBook or MacBook Pro. Notice I didn't include the Air in that description. Just the MacBook Pro line.

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Yeah, that's all they did. Matte was just a "no glass cover" on the display.
Matte (anti-glare) is not simply no glass cover, it is actually a coating put on the panel.
 

Dangerous Theory

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Side by side with a glossy 13" MBP, glare is definitely reduced but not hugely. I don't know where the "75% reduction" came from, but I imagine it's based on a technical comparison that doesn't really equate to real world difference. Using it in the Sun is possible, depending on your tolerance to glare.
 

alphaod

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I think you need to go back and hear what Schiller had to say about matte options on classic MacBook Pros. All they literally do is not include the glass cover and add a support frame around the display.
You need to stop believing everything they say in those keynotes.