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I've even been looking at desktop PCs. I don't really think I want to go that route, but when I see a fully loaded, easily upgradeable Dell for less than half the price of an iMac, even after including a 27 inch 4K monitor
That's my struggle, I enjoy OS X, but do I want to spend 2,000 for an iMac or half that on a PC. The 5k iMac does give me a lot of benefits, and I'm in the ecosystem with iOS. but I do rock with a SP3, so windows is not a foreign OS to me.

Ugh, I really wish they did not gimp the 21.5"
The cost of upgrading the 4k iMac brings it so close to the 5k model, that I'm not even considering that model :( Even then it lacks a dGPU to drive the 4k display
 
That's my struggle, I enjoy OS X, but do I want to spend 2,000 for an iMac or half that on a PC. The 5k iMac does give me a lot of benefits, and I'm in the ecosystem with iOS. but I do rock with a SP3, so windows is not a foreign OS to me.

Yup. I was at the Apple store last night checking out the iMacs, rmbp and iPad Pro (which I have no current interest in). No doubt, the 5k iMac is a thing of beauty, but the configuration I am looking at is about $2500 and then I still need to add third party RAM, an external HDD and perhaps a super drive. Down the road, I can't even use that incredible screen by itself with another computer because there is no target display mode. Yet, I do prefer OS X and its integration with my iPad and iPhone -- although I think I am probably less immersed in the Apple ecosystem than many.

Also last night, I upgraded my Wife's 9 year old Dell tower (with which she is still using a monitor that has ro be more than 12 year's old!) to Window's 10. And you know what? It's still humming along for her very basic browsing and email use, and the OS looks pretty nice. The computer is long overdue for replacement, but I guess I don't agree with those that say that PCs don't last as long as Macs. At least that hasn't been my experience. And people with recent PCs don't seem to be complaining that Lightroom is still slow on their new $2000 plus computer! (Which I realize is an Adobe issue, not an Apple issue, but still ....)

Anyway, I didn't intend this to devolve into an anti-apple post, lol, but I am hearing more and more people voicing the same concerns. I'm wondering how many former PC owners, and those familiar with Windows from work may start to think about making a switch.

At the end of the day, I still think I am likely to wind up sticking with an iMac or rMBP, but I sure would like to feel good about my decision when I eventually make it.
 
At the end of the day, I still think I am likely to wind up sticking with an iMac or rMBP, but I sure would like to feel good about my decision when I eventually make it.
That's why I'm obsessing about it myself :D

My 2012 rMBP is getting long it the tooth and I find that my kids need a mobile solution, so in all likelihood that machine will be handed down to them. Right now its basically my desktop computer (sitting on my desk connected to my monitor). I have a SP3 which works great, I love the size, and weight. I took it to FLA last week and it was a breeze getting through security because its a "tablet"

I'm leaning towards the iMac because there are things I enjoy in OS X, and the integration that apple provides with iOS/OS X. With that said, there are some apps that just plain run better in Windows, such as Office. This makes it really difficult to decide.

With Black Friday coming up, I'm sure I'll see some nice discounts from Dell, HP and Lenovo which will tempt me but like you, I need to be comfortable with the choice I make.
 
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That's why I'm obsessing about it myself :D

With Black Friday coming up, I'm sure I'll see some nice discounts from Dell, HP and Lenovo which will tempt me but like you, I need to be comfortable with the choice I make.

My iMac has had a fairly minor, but annoying, issue with the screen for the last year. If I have been able to live with it this long, I guess I can wait it out until I get comfortable with my choice ... or lose my mind, whichever comes first! :)
 
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There's also not a *vast* amount of difference between the iMac and rMBP, power-wise. They use the same type of DDR3LV RAM (although the latest iMac 27" can handle more of it) and the same PCIe SSDs. The main difference is in the graphics cards for OpenCL applications and the TDP of the processor... but the difference with the processor at least is negligible, graphics would be better for 4K video editing, etc. When the MBP eventually felt slow, so too would the iMac.

The biggest contrast for me is the workflow each best represents: I'm tempted with an iMac because I'd be sat in a fixed position in a room with audio treatment and all my gear rigged up ready to go thanks to the extra I/O. In contrast, I could use the MacBook Pro in more places for general use, but for audio work I'd still be in my studio room and constantly having to plug my equipment in - which can be demotivating to get started on a project if you're coming into it after a full day at work.

EDIT: You can of course get the best of both worlds and use the rMBP with the Thunderbolt Display (but wait for the new one!) - but that is a truly expensive proposition.
 
I have been pondering the same problem: iMac vs. MBP and this thread has been immensely helpful in making up my mind.

I am pretty sure that I prefer more screen real estate over portability for the following reasons:
1. As a university instructor in a language I need to have multiple windows open to edit documents and reference sources on the Internet.
2. I hardly ever take my 13" MBP (2010) to work anymore.
3. If I travel I think an iPad Air 2 will suffice for e-mailing and small projects.
4. The iMac screen can also function as a "TV" screen for me.
5. With an iMac I need to sit down and do work in one place until it's done rather than plopping myself on the couch and getting distracted.

So, thanks guys.
 
Thanks again. I think an 11 inch screen would frustrate me, so that's probably not an option. A Windows laptop would probably actually work fine because, really, the only things I think I would really *need* a laptop for (other than for work, and I've got that covered) is for occasional photo editing and Lightroom, Photoshop and most of my plugins run pretty much the same on either OS -- but my Macphun plugins won't work at all. I could also probably get an older MBP refurb.

I don't know, it's a lot to consider and I guess I'm a little more indecisive at the moment because I don't see replacing my old iMac as an urgent necessity. I've even been looking at desktop PCs. I don't really think I want to go that route, but when I see a fully loaded, easily upgradeable Dell for less than half the price of an iMac, even after including a 27 inch 4K monitor (not 5K, but that's not necessary for me), it does get me thinking. But then I try to remind myself why I switched to the iMac 5 years ago. Sorry, I digress ... :)

Hi, we'd be more than happy to assist you with plugins, email us at support@macphun.com
 
Hi, we'd be more than happy to assist you with plugins, email us at support@macphun.com

Thanks for your response. Fortunately (for me), I think you misunderstood my comment. What I meant is that the Macphun software won't work if I switch to a Windows machine rather than purchasing another Mac. Everything works on my current iMac. I appreciate Macphun's effort in the area of customer support and it is one of the reasons I purchased the Creative Kit.
 
Well, I've been in the same boat myself. Several times in fact! And I'm guessing it's a dilemma that will haunt many people for years to come.

The first thing I do before any Mac purchase is to weigh up the pros and cons on a sheet of paper. For me, this is where the decision becomes a very personal thing and certainly no amount of help on the internet will alter your needs and usage habits. We can always help each other answer questions, but the way one uses their devices is an important a starting. There is no use in just comparing specs and images as you'll waste lots of time.

To help with your own decision, I'll go through some of things that go through my head as I consider my next purchase. Each heading is in bold; why not try and fill this out yourself, then share the results? :)

Intended usage:
A primary computer for both home and work tasks.

Typical home tasks:
  • Checking emails
  • Web browsing
  • Note taking
  • Managing a photo library
  • Managing a music library
  • Playing simulation games
Typical work tasks:
  • Composing emails
  • Web browsing
  • Drawing (OmniGraffle)
  • Graphic art (Affinity Photo/Designer)
  • Creating audio files (Logic Pro X)
  • Filling spreadsheets (Excel)
  • Writing documents (Word)
  • Viewing and creating PDFs
Place(s) of usage:
Primary - Desk in my office
Optional - Sofa in the lounge, dining table, a coffee shop ("An expensive option, haha!")

Amount of travel usage (i.e. how often do you perform these tasks away from home) (1=Almost never, 10=I'm rarely home)
3

Required screen estate (1=Little, 10=Plenty)
7

Required CPU/GPU performance (1=Little, 10=Plenty)
5

Required storage and RAM (1=Little, 10=Plenty)
7

Budget
£1,500

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So there you have a basic-but-effective map of what your most essential needs are.

In my case (I currently run a 2010 21.5" iMac and looking to upgrade), we can see that although I run quite a different variety of apps for my work, few of them are CPU or GPU intensive; or more specifically, to the point where a modern i-series processor would begin to feel strained. This puts both the MacBook Pro and iMac on level terms, even though the iMac provides far better bang for the buck.

We see that I like to work from my desk. This is because I don't have to worry about moving physical documents regularly, and can separate work from pleasure more easily so I'm not tempted to "carry my work" by habit. On the other hand, I do enjoy working on a nice comfy sofa or practically wherever else I want during a day, but not so much that it becomes important to me.

I rarely travel for work, so the mobility factor isn't that too much of an issue (discuss later).

Screen estate is important to me for work because I love-love-love having full screen apps open and working on this side-by-side. For home usage, this is less important as I'm not multitasking as much.

The performance I require, as mentioned previously, is not much of an issue. I think people blow this out of the water all too often as they're sold by megahertz and branding. So while both the MacBook Pro and iMac are more than powerful enough, I probably wouldn't even make the latter sweat. CPUs are a non-issue for a good majority of users, unless your use case is very specific (e.g video editing).

Storage and RAM are absolutely the trickiest to judge. It's natural we want to future proof our purchases, but there are many options to consider. In my case, while I have plenty of apps installed besides those mentioned (Logic requires more than 40GB), I don't carry a lot of media. I use Apple Music with few albums downloaded, and my photo library only takes 9.4GB. So, 512GB SSD/500GB HDD would be perfect for the future, but I could get away with half of this. If I change my mind, I can purchase an external SSD/HDD and use that.
Likewise, the standard 8GB of RAM is plenty - I would only need 16GB if my home or work tasks change. Remember this...

Finally, my budget dictates that (with an education discount) I could get a 4K iMac with 512GB SSD for a little over £1,500. Conversely, I could also purchase a 13" MacBook Pro with the same storage but less powerful CPU for a little less.

Judging from my thoughts so far, there is a clear winner: the iMac.

Remember how I highlighted the mobility factor easier? In those areas that I have compromised, such as the mobility, it's plain to see that a iPad would suffice for many of the home uses anyway. They are light, cheap(ish) and practical for many tasks.

And for my uses, the iMac is just so much better value. The screen is an absolute stunner given its size, I don't have to worry about the estate, the speakers are better for music, my photos are viewed larger; and, one of the greatest oversights of the current design iMac, it's light enough to move around the house in minutes. My 2010 iMac feels like a tank by comparison.

We could read into the common argument that "you just buy an external display". That's more money spent, desk space wasted when not in use and more cables.

So sorry if this was a long read, but I hope it helps with your decision :)
 
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Doing photo editing with Wacom tablet, I feel comfortable with desktop pc like iMac. I tried it with my rMBP and it doesn't feel right for me. I think it is because desktop pc with 22" big screen size than 15" rMBP I guess.
 
I have had my 15" rMBP for about a year,and never feel if I don't have enough power to do alot of stuff. I use FCPX, AE,PS,AI and Cinema 4D. I am always amazed at the power the 2.5 Ghz has. When doing work in AE, it easily jumps above 3.5 Ghz for extra juice needed. I personally cant see a 21.5 iMac being *that* much better. It would not shave a huge chunk of time off in rendering.Even the 27in I doubt would blow me out the water by that much, if both have 16 gigs of RAM each. I think the 15in rMBP is a fine machine for a lot of stuff. The fact that its portable is just the icing.
 
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I'm back to being uncertain again.:rolleyes: When I was at the Apple store this Wednesday, I suddenly gave up my angst about the 21.5" iMac. I realize Apple is moving towards mobile devices (more notebooks - iDevice oriented) and yet I am beginning to think a two system solution might be the best for me. Pricey, oh hell yeah, but seeing I can no longer use my work computer for school, I'll need some kind of light portable in addition to a desktop for more intense use.

So now I am thinking non retina 21.5" iMac (because of the lack of discreet video card in the 21.5" riMac) and a rMB, since me and iPads just do not mix. As I am not taking design or even a language ( :(:confused:) now which require more horse power (i.e. 27"), this is the way I am leaning at the moment.

I so appreciate this thread as the real world usage of many folks has helped me take a good look at my usage. And now that any design classes are a complete wash at university, my needs are much lower. Two systems might be overkill, but with my commute, a rMB is about as heavy as I'll go.
 
I'm back to being uncertain again.:rolleyes: When I was at the Apple store this Wednesday, I suddenly gave up my angst about the 21.5" iMac. I realize Apple is moving towards mobile devices (more notebooks - iDevice oriented) and yet I am beginning to think a two system solution might be the best for me. Pricey, oh hell yeah, but seeing I can no longer use my work computer for school, I'll need some kind of light portable in addition to a desktop for more intense use.

So now I am thinking non retina 21.5" iMac (because of the lack of discreet video card in the 21.5" riMac) and a rMB, since me and iPads just do not mix. As I am not taking design or even a language ( :(:confused:) now which require more horse power (i.e. 27"), this is the way I am leaning at the moment.

I so appreciate this thread as the real world usage of many folks has helped me take a good look at my usage. And now that any design classes are a complete wash at university, my needs are much lower. Two systems might be overkill, but with my commute, a rMB is about as heavy as I'll go.
None of the 21.5" Imac's have discreet GPUs.
 
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None of the 21.5" Imac's have discreet GPUs.


Yes, I know, but it's less painful to get one without the retina screen - despite the gimp.

12-14 UPDATE:

and fate interceded again. No 21.5" iMac for me. No more iMacs period. After today's utter cluster bleep, this feisty 2010 is the last iMac I will own and she's starting to run on fumes.

I'm definitely going to go rMBP. This morning's tests at the Apple store proved this is the way to go for me. Bummed about the price, but after looking at the requirements for many of my classes, I'd rather have more video memory than barely enough.

All that said, I'm kind of excited to be finally moving onto another type of Mac (only my third, I forgot what I was using in the mid 90s before the iMacs.) I really appreciate the thorough comments in this thread for both types of Macs.

Hahaha.... NOT. Oh my little OCD drama you are put to rest at long last.
 
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Typing on my shiny new mid-2015 15" MBP!!!! Got the 512 GB SSD and 16 GB RAM that I wanted and the discrete graphics. Happy camper here! I'm still in the process of setting everything up but so far I am very pleased with my new machine.

It was nice being able to just walk right into the Apple store when I was ready and get the thing and bring it home, no waiting for a BTO iMac, which is what I would have had to do had I gone with the 21.5" retina iMac. I think that for most activities the screen will be large enough for me, but if I do decide I need something larger I have the flexibility of purchasing a separate monitor and connecting it to the computer, so that is good.
 
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^ That's awesome, enjoy it. They are amazing machines and I nearly went with a high end 2015 rMBP myself. Unfortunately, budget came knocking and I had make a choice fast.

While I kept going back and forth between both machines and swore no more iMacs, B&H Photo offered a base 27" non retina iMac for a price I could roll with so I jumped. I wanted a machine which could still provide target mode too. After my first debacle with a 27" 2015, I was skittish to go with another 2015 and break the bank. I wouldn't do the 21.5" because of no discreet graphics.

I'm really liking it, and it will be even better once I upgrade the memory later this weekend. For the same price of my 2010, I have a machine that will have double the ram, more screen real estate and double the storage. It'll be fine for my school needs and once that's done, I can use it as a monitor for whatever comes next.

There's no wrong Mac, it's what works best for the person.
 
Congrats to both of you. I'm hope you will both really enjoy the new computers.

I had a tough time, but ultimately went with a 27 inch 2015 iMac i7 with 512GB SSD. I think a rMBP or other laptop may be in my future at some point as well, but given my limited needs for mobility I can go with something smaller and less expensive when/if I get to that point. I admit that although I am very have happy with my new machine I can't help but still think just a little about the road not taken (should I have gone for the video card upgrade to a 395x? Would a fusion drive had been sipler/made more sense? Would a rMBP given me more flexibility? How about that less expensive, but more powerful/upgradable Dell?. lol). Human nature, I guess. :)

Have fun!
 
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Congrats to both of you. I'm hope you will both really enjoy the new computers.

I had a tough time, but ultimately went with a 27 inch 2015 iMac i7 with 512GB SSD. I think a rMBP or other laptop may be in my future at some point as well, but given my limited needs for mobility I can go with something smaller and less expensive when/if I get to that point. I admit that although I am very have happy with my new machine I can't help but still think just a little about the road not taken (should I have gone for the video card upgrade to a 395x? Would a fusion drive had been sipler/made more sense? Would a rMBP given me more flexibility? How about that less expensive, but more powerful/upgradable Dell?. lol). Human nature, I guess. :)

Have fun!

You too!

And congratulations on your 2015 27" purchase. May your machine last you a very long time too. :) LOL Reading your post reminded me of the utterly ridiculous too much choice wonkiness I went through. :rolleyes: Human nature indeed. I wonder what I'll get for this same price 3.5 - 4 years from now. :p
 
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You too!

And congratulations on your 2015 27" purchase. May your machine last you a very long time too. :) LOL Reading your post reminded me of the utterly ridiculously too much choice wonkiness I went through. :rolleyes: Human nature indeed. I wonder what I'll get for this same price 3.5 - 4 years from now. :p

Yes, Indeed. And thank you!

I meant to ask, what problem did you have with the 2015 iMac you first purchased (or maybe I don't want to know ;) ) ?
 
Yes, Indeed. And thank you!

I meant to ask, what problem did you have with the 2015 iMac you first purchased (or maybe I don't want to know ;) ) ?


The 395x video card was a dud. All kinds of playback / video / image issues. El Capitan was constantly beach balling with a 512 SSD inside and 16gb of RAM too.

I do not do intensive work (burning movies, light pixelmator and lots of writing. I'll often have a web browser, writing app, and pixelmator open while a film is playing.)

Hardware issues happen. It's the nature of things. Where the debacle came in was returning an obviously defective machine within the 14 day window.

I'm happily ever after now.

And I'm sure you will be too with your new iMac. :)
 
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Thanks, guys! Congratulations to both of you, too, on your new purchases! :) It's fun, isn't it, having a brand-new computer! I'd forgotten how long it takes to get everything set up to my liking -- I never use Migration Assistant or Time Machine, I prefer to set up everything fresh from scratch, which takes a while but in the end means that I'm not inadvertently introducing something old into the new machine. I download the software programs I need and I use an external drive to import my photos, iTunes library, documents, etc., and that works well for me. I think this machine will work out very nicely for me and my needs.
 
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Thanks, guys! Congratulations to both of you, too, on your new purchases! :) It's fun, isn't it, having a brand-new computer! I'd forgotten how long it takes to get everything set up to my liking -- I never use migration assistant, I prefer to set up everything fresh from scratch, which takes a while but in the end means that I'm not inadvertently introducing something old into the new machine. I download the software programs I need and I use an external drive to import my photos, iTunes library, documents, etc., and that works well for me. I think this machine will work out very nicely for me and my needs.

That's great! And yes, it does take a while to set things up. I do the same as you. My older computer has years of accumulated stuff and I like the idea of starting clean. The computer arrived at the end of last week, but I haven't had as much time to get it set it up as I expected. I also need to figure out what kind of external storage and backup system I am going to use, so I have been going around about that. But actually in some ways the set up is part of the fun :).
 
Count me in as someone who starts from scratch when they get a new machine. I'm paranoid about using the external hard drives I used with my 2010 (because I believe so many rewrites with new OS installation etc. has probably corrupted some of the content / work on these), so the realization many of the movies and images on those drives won't be ported over is starting to sink in. It's 100% okay.

I'll have to get a few important documents back onto this machine, but I email myself everything so that's no big deal.

I've got a 2TB Seagate drive coming for Time Machine backups, so once that gets here on Sunday with the RAM, I'll be good.

I'll know after the first semester of school if I'm going to need some kind of laptop too, as much as I am liking this new iMac. So I wonder what the Spring will bring insofar as rMBPs and MacBooks. LOL... yes... Apple certified right here.
 
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Definitely setting everything up fresh and new again is fun! I just take my time with it and along with the list of "must-do immediately" items I also do things as they crop up and somehow it all gets done in the end. Still haven't added photos or documents to this machine yet, but have been fine-tuning other stuff, setting up email accounts, etc., etc. (That's always a pain because I have one domain-associated account which always is problematic). I actually bought my machine a couple of weeks ago but Real Life interfered with two different friends having various emergencies so that yesterday was really the first time I had to actually appreciate and enjoy my new computer and begin setting her up. Whew....! I'm actually able to enjoy my Christmas gift to myself on Christmas Eve! :)
 
An update: still very happy with my rMBP 15.5" 2015, and I know I made the right decision for me and my needs. A few times I've thought, "maybe I should have gone with the 1 TB SSD option," but in the long run reality is showing that it really isn't necessary for me, and I've found that dumping stuff on to external drives and then also purchasing a surprisingly tiny little Samsung T1 1 TB SSD drive to use as an adjunct to this rMBP seems to be working out well. There were a lot of things that I'd had on my hard drive on my 2012 iMac that really didn't need to be at my fingertips every minute; things are now relocated to the Samsung SSD drive and when I need a particular file or folder, it's simply a matter of quickly plugging in that drive. I think that for me, given the options Apple was offering vis-a-vis the current line of iMacs, going the more portable and flexible route with the rMBP was the best choice. Right now I'm not generating a lot of photos but when that time comes I'll probably be considering an external monitor and also probably another Samsung T1 drive or two to expand storage options further.

A friend is starting to have problems with her 2012 iMac and in her case a desktop is a preferable choice for various reasons; I would not hesitate to recommend another 21.5" iMac to her (she does not have the space to house a 27" iMac) but would also strongly suggest that she go with something beyond the base stock model currently available at the store. A 5200 rpm platter drive just isn't going to cut the mustard any more. I still can't believe that in 2015 Apple even had the nerve to offer that with its base configuration! She and I are both hoping that her current iMac will hang in there for a while longer until Apple gets around to issuing its next series of updates and "speed bumps" and makes the next models far more useable for even an ordinary consumer such as my friend, who just uses the computer for the very simplest of activities. Even Facebook and Twitter really require more "oomph" than the current iMac's 5200 rpm can provide most of the time, though.......

At any rate, getting back to the main topic of discussion here, I am happy to say that I am very satisfied with the decision that I made in my own situation and with the machine I selected -- I hope that the various things we all discussed here in this thread will prove to be useful to others further down the road. In the end, it's up to each individual, since everyone has specific priorities and needs, along with specific budgetary considerations as well. Making the best choice for one's needs is very satisfying. :)
 
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