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Rogers Announces iPhone Plans in Canada

Dimwhit said:
Well, that info isn't out there yet. Not accurately. Any number will be for the Edge network. We need 6 months of 3G usage to know what 'current' iPhone users use.
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Here's a starting point then: what do most people use browsing the web on their home computers in a month? Most people will use their computers for web browsing than their iPhone, but will likely be visiting the same sites with both devices.

Does the iPhone have a cache? If so, I can download maps on wifi, then not have to worry about loading those when I'm using the GPS. Not to mention going back to the same site multiple times without having to download every single graphic every single time.

It may not be a perfect comparison, but it's a start.
 
Yvan256 said:
The problem is that we don't know. The iPhone 3G makes everything faster, which means people will use the services more often.

Ask someone on dial-up what they think of the internet... their usual reply will be "meh". Once they switch to high-speed, they use it every day without thinking about it.

There's also the fact that nobody really knows what will be the average data needed for Mobile Me.

In a nutshell: even if we had the true numbers for current non-3G iPhone users, they would be meaningless.
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I think it might be worth a poll anyway (didn't search to see if there already is one). 3G is faster, but as much as I like my iPhone, I prefer to browse on my MBP, and sometimes I have free wireless on my iPhone, so those won't change with 3G. Some apps might use data, many won't -- that's the whole idea of having native apps. Each person is different based on wi-fi access, etc., but I would say double the Edge numbers to have a rough ballpark -- but everyone needs to look at their wireless bill, and not use the statistics on the phone -- I THINK the phone stats include wi-fi? I'm not sure.

I can tell you, on my family plan (9 months of having iPhones):
-- 1 very light web user on iPhone, get most of my email on phone (almost entirely on Edge, not wi-fi), (and don't get a lot of photos sent to me either, mostly pdf's), rare Youtube, rare SENDING of emails, etc: usually less than 100MB, only once over 200MB (250 MB on vacation).
-- 1 very heavy web browser, a fair amount of Youtube-type sites, not so much email: 200MB to max. 750MB -- average around 450 MB.

The people that quote 1-2GB must be browsing on Wi-Fi, and using their phones A LOT, I think. If you have a computer/wi-fi at work (or school) and a computer and wi-fi at home, there's really only so many hours in a week for iPhone cell network browsing. But it depends on your situation.
 
jplan2008 said:
I think it might be worth a poll anyway (didn't search to see if there already is one). 3G is faster, but as much as I like my iPhone, I prefer to browse on my MBP, and sometimes I have free wireless on my iPhone, so those won't change with 3G. Some apps might use data, many won't -- that's the whole idea of having native apps. Each person is different based on wi-fi access, etc., but I would say double the Edge numbers to have a rough ballpark -- but everyone needs to look at their wireless bill, and not use the statistics on the phone -- I THINK the phone stats include wi-fi? I'm not sure.

I can tell you, on my family plan (9 months of having iPhones):
-- 1 very light web user on iPhone, get most of my email on phone (almost entirely on Edge, not wi-fi), (and don't get a lot of photos sent to me either, mostly pdf's), rare Youtube, rare SENDING of emails, etc: usually less than 100MB, only once over 200MB (250 MB on vacation).
-- 1 very heavy web browser, a fair amount of Youtube-type sites, not so much email: 200MB to max. 750MB -- average around 450 MB.

The people that quote 1-2GB must be browsing on Wi-Fi, and using their phones A LOT, I think. If you have a computer/wi-fi at work (or school) and a computer and wi-fi at home, there's really only so many hours in a week for iPhone cell network browsing. But it depends on your situation.
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That may be you but in the grand scheme of things and around the world, Canada notoriously has high voice and data plans. I wish i could complain like the americans having to pay $30 for unlimited and we pay that much for 400mb (300 if you use a blackberry).
 
Sorry guys, don't get mad at me but I have to admit it - I'm going to buy an iPhone with Rogers.

But here me out! I have a Moto Q right now, with the exact same voice plain as the basic iPhone plan, but with only 4mb of data per month, all for $56 plus all the garbage fees and tax tacked on. (of course, call display was included in that $56 I paid, but I'll go without it).

So for $4 more - I would get 100 times the data! I know that iPhone uses data differently though, so i would have to take it easy. But I can't resist. Plus, getting away from my Windows smartphone will finally get me completely native with my Mac. Good bye XP.

Now I will do one thing - I'm not going to buy it right away, as I want the Rogers launch to be an absolute failure. So I'll wait a couple of months still, but yes, they will get my money sadly....

I await your jeers.
 
I would be fine with paying 90$ a month or so if you actually got unlimited data, 300+ minutes.. and call display etc etc, basic stuff that is apparently a $20 bonus fee..

I'm trying to assess my needs, I have internet access all day at work and at home.. so the only real gaps are weekends.. driving, perhaps as a passenger wanting to surf... shopping, traveling.. which i'd love the GPS for.

That said with unlimited data i think it would change the way the device is used.. i may very well surf on the couch in front of the TV instead of in my office as i am now.. etc it would just plain get used to look up funny facts that come up in a conversation, research items.. etc etc.. but if u need to count your usage like so many calories it changes the nature of it use, and limits it.

I really wish u could build a plan, looks like there is no way i can ditch my land line with the current plans.
 
400MB IS a lot

I feel the Canadian pain. My iphone is on a family plan with ATT, so I pay only $10 voice and $20 for unlimited data. However, I deliberately use my wireless data as much as possible (like when I'm in my office, sitting in front of my computer, I'll use my iphone to surf, "just because") and while I routinely consume more than 100 MB, I don't think I've ever gone over 200MB in a month. Of course, I have an airport at home. As an aside, I won't get the 3G now, but I might have if it had wifi n.
 
Shackler said:
That may be you but in the grand scheme of things and around the world, Canada notoriously has high voice and data plans. I wish i could complain like the americans having to pay $30 for unlimited and we pay that much for 400mb (300 if you use a blackberry).
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I'm not sure what you're saying. Several people said they wished they knew how much data they'd use, to know whether they really need unlimited, or to make an informed decision. Others responded that was irrelevant, because 3G is faster=more use. I agreed, but said that for a rough ballpark, I'd double the Edge usage, and thought those numbers might still be helpful, and suggested a poll. (if someone wants to create it). And, to begin, yes, I gave MY family's usage, and explained it. I wasn't commenting on Rogers vs. AT&T prices. Yes, unlimited is preferable to a limit. I was just responding to the questions people raised about "real-world" usage. You'd have to ask 100 people, and see the ballpark of whose wi-fi vs. non-wi-fi usage is similar to yours. (and yes, because MY "real world" means that we could still double usage and be within 400MB on one, and 2GB on the other, for ME, the data isn't a huge problem on Rogers' plan, but we'd be paying Rogers hundreds of dollars in long-distance and minutes overages, and spend more because apparently Rogers isn't offering a family plan for the i-Phone. But again, I was only giving MY usage for those that want to start assessing the data portion of the plans.)
 
you have a good point

Yvan256 said:
The problem is that we don't know. The iPhone 3G makes everything faster, which means people will use the services more often.

Ask someone on dial-up what they think of the internet... their usual reply will be "meh". Once they switch to high-speed, they use it every day without thinking about it.

There's also the fact that nobody really knows what will be the average data needed for Mobile Me.

In a nutshell: even if we had the true numbers for current non-3G iPhone users, they would be meaningless.
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One of the things I would look forward to would be the ability to stream video over 3G (slingbox style). That would shoot your 400MB pretty quickly.
 
So using my Airport (wireless-n) at home.. would be like my own personal internet "hotspot" .. it would not go against my monthly data usage? And ya i thought of the slingbox things to.. TV in your pocket.. but ya not without unlimited data :(
 
Home use is free

spaz8 said:
So using my Airport (wireless-n) at home.. would be like my own personal internet "hotspot" .. it would not go against my monthly data usage? And ya i thought of the slingbox things to.. TV in your pocket.. but ya not without unlimited data :(
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I can't imagine there would be any way rogers would even know how much you use wifi unless it comes from their own source. So, no, you can use your home wifi free of charge. I believe wifi doesn't count as data, anyway, even in a rogers hotspot, or am I wrong?
 
hayesk said:
Uhm... no. There are some of us who think 400MB is more than enough for one month. The only thing wrong with the rate plan is that Caller ID is not included. As I said (maybe here, maybe somewhere else) it's really not that expensive:
$60 + $6.95 (System Access Fee) + $6 (Caller ID) + $0.25 (911 fee) is not a lot of money. It's only $73.20/month - a couple dollars more than AT&T's plan.

So far, the complainers against this plan have not presented a good argument why they need more data than that. I'm sure there are, but everyone here can't seem to come up with something better than "Gimme gimme gimme!"
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400MB plus 150 daytime minutes (or whatever), plus evenings and weekends that start at what... 9pm now?... plus 100 text messages... oh yeah, plus the "system access fee" which just allows them to advertise their rates lower, "all" for $75/month --- and it's the people complaining about that which is annoying you? jesus buddy, is Ted Rogers your grandfather?
 
the base price with caller id is going to be $90...that gets you 150 minutes and free calls after 9pm.

I actually plan on using the phone to make calls....besides the data...150 minutes for 90 bucks is pure robbery....there are no options for anything cheaper...no voice only, no voice plus data..just these 4 plans that start at 90 bucks.


The $60 dollar thing is a smokescreen.
 
Will this work?

I have little faith left in Rogers.

So I am wondering if they don't change their plans will this work?

Get an older Iphone and use it on Fido with the unlimited $7 data plan?

I have heard people say jailbreak the new one.. but even if you did.. isn't Rogers the only GSM network?
 
the 7 dollar data plan its only for unlimited wap internet, not the same teh iphone uses, you ll gte charged alot a lot lot lot of money
 
William Shatner and Ted Rogers. Where no wireless rape plan has gone before

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The travesty

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Rape me (Kurt Cobain)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lrDe4i3_MtI
 
aristotle said:
1. Because Telus is using Bell's networks in some cases whereas Rogers cannot leverage other networks in Canada but their own.
2. Their coverage area sucks compared to Rogers and since they cover less it costs them less to maintain compared with Rogers.
3. If you combine the userbase of Telus, Bell, Virgin and any other CDMA provider using Bell's network you still end up with less users meaning they have more bandwidth to spare on their CDMA networks for data.
4. They have less smartphones on their network.
5. Since they are CDMA, they do not have to serve any roaming tourists which would all be GSM.

IIRC, GSM technology has trouble with mountain terrain so they need to have more cell towers in those areas to provide coverage and installing/maintaining towers up high is costly.

GPS? GPS does not cost data but rather the google maps app. If you don't have google maps open, you won't be using data for it.
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So here's my question: if everything you say is true (and it isn't), then why does Rogers have the highest profit margin of all 3 companies.

According to you, they have the most expensive capital overhead. Yet, based on Rogers operating margins that make investors salivate, we know this not to be the case.

What you're basically saying here is, that because Rogers has a more expensive network to maintain, they have to charge more money than Telus, even though Telus has lower operating margins.

Now, if this was the case, and Telus and Rogers had the exact same subscriber rates, you're saying the per-subscriber margins for Rogers would be less? And if so, how? I'm having real trouble with that.

The fact of the matter is, that Rogers manages to make margins in the range of 10 to 15% higher than that of Telus in their respective wireless units. How can this be, based on your logic?

Don't be silly. Rogers ARPU is the highest in the industry. They make the most money per subscriber than ANY OTHER wireless company in all of North America. In most competitive climates, higher operating costs = lower profits, not higher profits. Give your head a shake.
 
I voted with my wallet on this one, and I was maybe a little hasty about it, because I think there's still a chance for different plans to develop at Rogers if the phone launches to a thud in Canada... cheaper prices for July 11 or a few months down the road.

I'd been waiting to upgrade my phone for quite a while -- to something web-ready. I know it's not nearly the device the iPhone is, and I expect issues if I want it to get along with my Mac when it's not running Windows, but I picked up an HTC Touch today. For $45 a month, I'm getting double the minutes, unlimited browsing and call display. I figure I'll be saving $1200-1400 over the life of the contract (a three-year contract being the only downer here).

In three years I'm hoping there's some sexy Apple device out there that will do what I want at a price I'm more willing to pay.
 
This news makes me happy to be an American, eh. I hope they do something more reasonable for the Canadian plans soon. Those plans just sound ridiculous to me. :(
 
... 3,100 web pages ...

Rogers suggests that 400MB will get you up to 200,000 text emails or 3,100 web pages or 1,360 photo attachments.

HA! funny for a company loading around 1MB on their main page:
http://www.rogers.com/web/Rogers.portal

If you don't count the flash, it's 659kb...
That'll give you almost 607 web pages! less than 1/5th of what they suggest!
 
Nerdcoder said:
Rogers suggests that 400MB will get you up to 200,000 text emails or 3,100 web pages or 1,360 photo attachments.

HA! funny for a company loading around 1MB on their main page:
http://www.rogers.com/web/Rogers.portal

If you don't count the flash, it's 659kb...
That'll give you almost 607 web pages! less than 1/5th of what they suggest!
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One thing I MUST congratulate Rogers for...they have definitely achieved the MacRumors WORLD RECORD for negative votes: more than 2400 already..!

Once more, CONGRATS ROGERS; you deserve it! :D
 
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