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Rogers Announces iPhone Plans in Canada

What kind of pricing plans do you guys want to see?

I would like to see something like

$60 includes 350min talk time unlimited Data call display

That would be an ideal starters package for a 3 year contract
 
Nimiety said:
The voice, however, scaraes the bejesus out of me. 150 minutes - are you kidding me?!? That's an average of 5 minutes a day - just a ridiculously low number.
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And that's part of the problem for me. If they were a bit more generous on the data and it had been a $30 add-on to any voice plan as had been rumoured, I might have been sold.

No one was expecting to pay less than $60 for a plan (I don't think), and that might even be on the low side of people's expectations.

For me, these are the dealbreakers:

1) No apparent "value features," like My5 or unlimited incoming (which is the feature I wanted, because I was planning on getting a lot of use out of the phone -- with that I could probably live with 150 minutes)

2) $60= ~$85 when you add in call display, system access fees, etc.

3) The cost of overages. Big picture, I think these new Blackberry plans they announced might outdo the iPhone plans.

I think if you're willing to pay $90 a month, you can probably get a pretty workable plan (but not a great value). I felt kinda crazy for buying into a $45-a-month plan (all in) after the iPhone disappointment.

EDIT: In response to the post above mine, I think for $60, bundled call display, unlimited data and incoming and then even 150 minutes would be great in my eyes.

Which brings me to a point I forgot to make -- the plans are bad enough already, but you look at AT&T and some of the "non-stat" types of features put Rogers even further behind -- rollover minutes (what a concept... I'd like to see someone in Canada do this) and unlimited mobile-to-mobile are the two that instantly come to mind.
 
Wow, I'm actually starting to get some optimism that Rogers is going to have to acknowledge this outrage and introduce some better plans. Before July 11th, probably not. But I could see them dropping rates in september after sitting around with unsold iPhones for 6 weeks.

But let's be honest, their not gonna give us unlimited rates. That's just something that's not going to happen with rogers. But hopefully they'll bump up the data to 1gb standard, add some decent voice minutes and stop nickel & diming us for call display and alike.

but we'll see.
 
macman500 said:
125MB per month? That's around 4MB per day. Surf 5-6 pages at Rogers.com and you're over.

Please stop rationalizing Rogers' stupidity -- that is such a Canadian thing to do. This is a next-gen 3G smartphone, expressly designed to consume data in a million different ways.

Personally, I think that as an act of civil disobedience and protest, we should all call into Rogers and take up their time with questions, troubleshooting, whatever... 1 888 ROGERS1
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Why would someone surf bloated pages like Rogers.com on 3G? The iPhone does not support flash. Most iPhone usage is probably google searches, google maps and forum sites light on the gfx.

Do you work for Bell, Telus or Virgin mobile by any chance? Do most of the negative posters suggesting that they would use GB's of data per month work for one of the CDMA providers? Guess what? You can take your CDMA crap and shove it up your arse. I don't want a paperweight when I'm in Europe on vacation.

BTW. I noticed that someone posted a graph that suggested that 500MB would cost a 1600 bucks on previous Rogers plans but now it would cost 75 bucks and yet this pricing is supposedly unacceptable for a small market like Canada. GSM providers like Rogers are forced to cover more geographic area than CMDA providers like Bell which partially explains the pricing differences. Part of the reason of this is probably to satisfy roaming agreements with international GSM providers like AT&T.

Part of the reason why I switched to Rogers from Telus was because of the poor coverage in BC. The other part was because my phone would not work in Europe or Mexico.
 
Thunderbird said:
William Shatner and Ted Rogers. Where no wireless rape plan has gone before

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The travesty

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Rape me (Kurt Cobain)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=lrDe4i3_MtI
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Ok. I'm Confused. Now it is supposedly around 75 bucks with the Iphone plan. Uh... That is a huge change over a short period of time and yet we are getting raped? Have you looked at the population difference between the US and Canada? Have you looked at the population density between Canada and the US or Europe? What about the geography?
 
JamSandwich said:
And that's part of the problem for me. If they were a bit more generous on the data and it had been a $30 add-on to any voice plan as had been rumoured, I might have been sold.

No one was expecting to pay less than $60 for a plan (I don't think), and that might even be on the low side of people's expectations.

For me, these are the dealbreakers:

1) No apparent "value features," like My5 or unlimited incoming (which is the feature I wanted, because I was planning on getting a lot of use out of the phone -- with that I could probably live with 150 minutes)

2) $60= ~$85 when you add in call display, system access fees, etc.

3) The cost of overages. Big picture, I think these new Blackberry plans they announced might outdo the iPhone plans.

I think if you're willing to pay $90 a month, you can probably get a pretty workable plan (but not a great value). I felt kinda crazy for buying into a $45-a-month plan (all in) after the iPhone disappointment.

EDIT: In response to the post above mine, I think for $60, bundled call display, unlimited data and incoming and then even 150 minutes would be great in my eyes.

Which brings me to a point I forgot to make -- the plans are bad enough already, but you look at AT&T and some of the "non-stat" types of features put Rogers even further behind -- rollover minutes (what a concept... I'd like to see someone in Canada do this) and unlimited mobile-to-mobile are the two that instantly come to mind.
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I'm pretty sure you can add unlimited incoming calls for $10 a month. They just don't advertise the feature anywhere. I have it, and it saves me a lot! Hopefully I can move it onto the iPhone plan. I don't see why they wouldn't let me.
 
Garemz said:
What kind of pricing plans do you guys want to see?

I would like to see something like

$60 includes 350min talk time unlimited Data call display

That would be an ideal starters package for a 3 year contract
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I'd even take less.

$60, 250 min talk time, 700 mb data, call display, 100 SMS.
 
generationxwing said:
Oh yes, because if someone disagrees with you they're automatically wrong or work for Rogers. Get the f**k over yourself buddy.
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Hey buddy, 3 things here

1) maybe, only maybe you saw the rolling eyes icon
2) everyone can voice their opinion, that person as much as I can
3) no need to insult people here

Maybe you could read up a bit on netiquette, cowboy !
 
aristotle said:
Ok. I'm Confused. Now it is supposedly around 75 bucks with the Iphone plan. Uh... That is a huge change over a short period of time and yet we are getting raped? Have you looked at the population difference between the US and Canada? Have you looked at the population density between Canada and the US or Europe? What about the geography?
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COMPLETE AND UTTER BULL****.

It has nothing to do with it. Check out Fido's plans before 2004 when Robbers swallowed them. Their plans were AMAZING. Ever since that time, Robbers raised prices across the board because there is 0 competition in Canada. There is only 1 GSM provider !!! IT's a god damn monopoly !

And don't even think of mentioning a CDMA carrier. No SANE person would ever go with a CDMA carrier unless they like to bend over on a regular basis and get their freedom stripped away.

Adi
 
I wonder if you could sign up for an American iPhone with a US credit card, grey-market style, and then use it across the border in Canada? It couldn't be any more expensive LOL.

Let's open up the Canadian market to international competition and allow companies like AT&T and O2 into Canada. The fact that we are currently being raped by our own countrymen in the form of Rogers makes the "defend Canadian sovereignty and identity" kinda rich, no?

Bring on the competition!
 
adisor19 said:
COMPLETE AND UTTER BULL****.

It has nothing to do with it. Check out Fido's plans before 2004 when Robbers swallowed them. Their plans were AMAZING. Ever since that time, Robbers raised prices across the board because there is 0 competition in Canada. There is only 1 GSM provider !!! IT's a god damn monopoly !

Adi
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I was a Fido pay as you go user before I switched to a Rogers contract. Fido's coverage was quite limited back then.

I've love to see competition in the GSM market but it seems that new entrants are going CDMA because it's the quick and easy option. Why did Virgin bother entering into the market only to be just a reseller of Bell's network?

Fido was about to go under when Rogers bought them out. Maybe our market is too spread out and small to support another GSM provider.
 
Real pricing

I think the management are comparable to music industry executives - desperately holding onto to their old power models while the world shifts. One could make a good argument that their monopolistic practices and ridiculous fees have crippled the mobile industry in Canada - which USED to be in the forefront of information access. Unfortunately for us, Robbers are keeping a better hold - so far - than the music folks.

Head on over to that petition at ruinediphone.com - already featured on Reuters Canada and CNN Money..... "Everyone would like to say "NO THANKS" to Rogers/Fido for screwing our iPhone Canadian dream with poor data/voice plans. If you consider these plans not suitable, please sign this petition. On July 11th 2008, we will send a printed copy of all these messages to Rogers HQ to demonstrate our indignation toward them. We would like to say "Thank You, You" for signing this petition."
 
You answered your own question by stating that the bulk of your surfing is with Wifi, so the stats you presented are not indicative of EDGE or 3G usage


Phronetix said:
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/4A102 Safari/419.3)

This is a call to all current iphone users who subscribe to rogers data plans: I'd like to read someone's usage stats that are higher than 400MB. Because while the majority may be convinced they need unlimited data, my own iPhone experience suggests that is nowhere near the case.

I posted my own usage stats earlier. They average 125 total MB per month.

If we're going to spend as much time and energy on this thread complaining about the plans let's make sure the complaints are justified.

I maintain that the voice plans are where the plans fall well short. The data is adequate in my opinion.

The only wildcatd is the effect of the 3G speed. My Edge data use with my unlocked iPhone has been much less than I expected. The bulk of my surfing with my iPhone is with wifi because it is so much of a better experience. The iTunes store will not function without wifi for those who were adding song downloads to their bandwidth estimates.

The assumption that only unlimited data is acceptible is simply wrong. Users of these devices will corroborate what I am saying I expect.

Dennis
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So, what about roaming? I have a Canadian One-Rate plan so that I can do business across Canada. What happens if I want to add an iPhone into that mix? Robbers customer disservice hasn't been trained to answer this question yet.
 
naftalim said:
You answered your own question by stating that the bulk of your surfing is with Wifi, so the stats you presented are not indicative of EDGE or 3G usage
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Then find me someone who uses more than 400 MB. I have seen one quoted in this thread. I have read it all, but I surmise it would be easy to miss. The one I recall is a user who reported they had two iPhones in their household, and that one was a heavy data user (approx 750 MB monthly) and the other was around 100MB monthly.

I quoted the usage from my iPhone. My browsing tends to occur mainly at home or at the office. Both are served by excellent wi-fi. Everywhere else, I use EDGE. This does not invalidate my point. My objective was to find out if anyone actually used more than 400MB. I have heard one person who uses 750MB, but about 5 who use approximately what I use. Too small of a sample size to make any judgement on that. I want more people to offer up their usage stats.

And I do acknowledge two more things:
1. That the 3G factor is a wildcard, as we will all use more because it is easier to surf in higher speed. The question is how much more?
2. That Rogers is ripping us off in their VOICE plans attached to what I believe to be adequate data amounts, and in their add-on packs.
 
As I said b4, I used 100mb pre 4 days in Los Angeles with iPhone over EDGE; I don't think people can use about 100mb pre month with 3G in the iPhone, especially for those are using iTunes store and App store( you can't access iTunes store with EDGE but in 3G you can ) and expected people will use at least 1 X more data than EDGE network.

Such as sky high price from robber , we should ask Apple takes off App Store and iTunes Store button in home screen for Canadian to avoid falling in to the robber's trap.

For me 80 bucks pre month is okay, but at least have call display, 200 min and unlimited data thats all I want
 
Ok so earlier I sent Rogers a complaint about the iPhone package prices and I just received a response from them today:

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Thank you for taking the time to write to us, we appreciate your use of
online customer service.

In your recent email, you have informed us that you wish to inquire
about the Apple iPhone.

Description
On Monday, June 9, 2008, Rogers and Apple jointly announced that the
next generation iPhone will be available in Canada on July 11.

Availability
The iPhone combines three products into one small, lightweight device
(mobile phone, iPod and a data device).
The new iPhone will operate on Rogers High Speed Packet Access (HSPA)
network The fastest mobile network in Canada. HSPA is nationally
available in the top Canadian urban centres from Vancouver to Halifax,
covering more than 60% of the population. The iPhone will also operate
on Rogers' coast to coast GSM/EDGE network, proven to be the country's
most reliable wireless network. The iPhone 3G will sell for $199 (8Gb)
and $299 (16Gb), on a three-year agreement.

To learn more about the iPhone, you may visit the following link:
http://www.apple.com/ca/iphone/

Unfortunately we are unaware of the plans associated with the iPhone
until it is launched to the consumer market. We suggest you visit
www.rogers.com/phones because when new products are released they are
listed here.
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So now the customer service reps are saying that they are unaware of any plans associated with the iPhone?
 
I had a friend yesterday complaining about the At&t plans for the new iPhone. I then told him about what was going on in Canada and how Rogers is stealing peoples money.
At first he thought I was joking or exaggerating but when he realized I was telling the truth it helped put it all in perspective.
I hope things change for you guys! Make things a bit more fair because right now its pay too much money for too little in return. It especially sucks for Canadians because you guys had to wait a whole year and now you gotta put up with this crap.
Who knows, maybe with a little luck they might budge....then again im an optimist.
 
Imperil said:
Ok so earlier I sent Rogers a complaint about the iPhone package prices and I just received a response from them today:

----------------
Thank you for taking the time to write to us, we appreciate your use of
online customer service.

In your recent email, you have informed us that you wish to inquire
about the Apple iPhone.

Description
On Monday, June 9, 2008, Rogers and Apple jointly announced that the
next generation iPhone will be available in Canada on July 11.

Availability
The iPhone combines three products into one small, lightweight device
(mobile phone, iPod and a data device).
The new iPhone will operate on Rogers High Speed Packet Access (HSPA)
network The fastest mobile network in Canada. HSPA is nationally
available in the top Canadian urban centres from Vancouver to Halifax,
covering more than 60% of the population. The iPhone will also operate
on Rogers' coast to coast GSM/EDGE network, proven to be the country's
most reliable wireless network. The iPhone 3G will sell for $199 (8Gb)
and $299 (16Gb), on a three-year agreement.

To learn more about the iPhone, you may visit the following link:
http://www.apple.com/ca/iphone/

Unfortunately we are unaware of the plans associated with the iPhone
until it is launched to the consumer market. We suggest you visit
www.rogers.com/phones because when new products are released they are
listed here.
--------------------

So now the customer service reps are saying that they are unaware of any plans associated with the iPhone?
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I got the same response. What a useless e-mail. Doesn't address your complaint at all!
 
We need to start thinking about what we all can do or not do on July 11th should our efforts not inspire Rogers to change their greedy ways.

How about we all pick one store in each of the major cities to show up at, then wait in line for the phone. Let the salesperson waste their time explaining everything, then when asked which plan we'd like, walk out.

Or, how about passing out anal lube packets to every sheep that actually signs up for this BS?

Or, someone can set up a table and sign outside a rogers store selling "anal rape" for $60 -$115/mo. Whichever plan fits your budget/lifestyle. Then we can all line up and pay them with monopoly money. Sounds about right to me.

Any other ideas? :D
 
**** in front of the shop (a huge one please)... noone will line up

well does it really matter to u wether they respond to ur complaints or not?
if all of u just dont buy it they will have to respond...
 
I don't really think Rogers cares. Some people are still going to buy it regardless. On paper, to an idiot ,it might "look" like a good deal - the phone is ONLY 200$, after all!

I hope they care though and that we get some better plans this week! Even a minor improvement...60$, 200 minutes, caller ID, 500 mb data, would be better!
 
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