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Yes, but are they? Genuinely asking. I believe not.

BTW I know what a nm is. The question is not about how the fundamental unit for lenght is defined but about how does it relate to transistor density in fabrication processes nomenclatures.

From a related wikipedia page:

"The naming of process nodes by different major manufacturers (TSMC, Intel, Samsung, GlobalFoundries) is partially marketing-driven and not directly related to any measurable distance on a chip – for example TSMC's 7 nm node is similar in some key dimensions to Intel's 10 nm node (see transistor density, gate pitch and metal pitch in the following table)."



My understanding was that TSMC 7nm was very close to Intel's 10nm albeit a tiny bit bigger, but I got that from regular tech websites so you're probably right. I take from your post that TSMC's 7nm isn't significantly smaller than Intel's 10nm either.
Correct. Seems to me to be nearly identical. The fin pitch for TSMC 7 seems to be about 10% less than intel 10. Fin width seems to be identical. Intel’s mimimum metal pitch is about 10% less (but you pretty much never use minimum metal pitch anyway).

Overall, very similar process design rules, seems to me.
 
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Tiger Lake mobile processors with powerful graphics introduced
Intel has unveiled the eleventh generation of Tiger Lake mobile processors. These chips should become the company's "secret weapon" in the fight against the Ryzen 4000, as the new APUs are faster than the proprietary Ice Lake family and "red" processors.
Of course, these are marketing statements so far, without independent tests there is nothing to talk about. But even the published specs are impressive.
The new chips are based on Willow Cove cores and Xe graphics architecture. The cores themselves are a further development of Sunny Cove from CPU Ice Lake. Improvements include an increase in cache memory (L2 cache has grown to 1.25 MB per core, L3 cache - up to 12 MB).
The graphic subsystem is up to 96 executive devices (previously it was one and a half times less), its own 16 MB video cache and improved energy efficiency.
The processors are manufactured using the 10-nanometer SuperFin process technology. This provided the possibility of increasing frequencies up to 4.8 GHz per core with a thermal package of 28 W. Graphics are now clocked at up to 1.35 GHz. It is said to run top games on FullHD as the Xe graphics are twice as fast as Intel's early GPUs and outperforms AMD Vega in Ryzen 7 (Renoir).
Separately, support for instructions AVX-512 and the presence of a GNA (Gaussian and Neural Accelerator 2.0) block are noted. This allows for faster AI tasks.
Finally, note that two subfamilies are expected within the lineup:
with thermal package 12-28 W (formerly U-class, now UP3)
with a heat dissipation of 7-15 W (previously - Y-class, now - UP4).
The first chips received a maximum of four cores and eight threads, although even more multi-core solutions are expected in the future.
Other platform features include support for Thunderbolt 4, Wi-Fi 6, PCI Express 4, AV1 hardware video codec, and Dolby Vision. Of course, this will be implemented in ready-made laptops. The release date has not been specified.The conversation is over!!!!:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
 
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Tiger Lake mobile processors with powerful graphics introduced
Intel has unveiled the eleventh generation of Tiger Lake mobile processors. These chips should become the company's "secret weapon" in the fight against the Ryzen 4000, as the new APUs are faster than the proprietary Ice Lake family and "red" processors.
Of course, these are marketing statements so far, without independent tests there is nothing to talk about. But even the published specs are impressive.
The new chips are based on Willow Cove cores and Xe graphics architecture. The cores themselves are a further development of Sunny Cove from CPU Ice Lake. Improvements include an increase in cache memory (L2 cache has grown to 1.25 MB per core, L3 cache - up to 12 MB).
The graphic subsystem is up to 96 executive devices (previously it was one and a half times less), its own 16 MB video cache and improved energy efficiency.
The processors are manufactured using the 10-nanometer SuperFin process technology. This provided the possibility of increasing frequencies up to 4.8 GHz per core with a thermal package of 28 W. Graphics are now clocked at up to 1.35 GHz. It is said to run top games on FullHD as the Xe graphics are twice as fast as Intel's early GPUs and outperforms AMD Vega in Ryzen 7 (Renoir).
Separately, support for instructions AVX-512 and the presence of a GNA (Gaussian and Neural Accelerator 2.0) block are noted. This allows for faster AI tasks.
Finally, note that two subfamilies are expected within the lineup:
with thermal package 12-28 W (formerly U-class, now UP3)
with a heat dissipation of 7-15 W (previously - Y-class, now - UP4).
The first chips received a maximum of four cores and eight threads, although even more multi-core solutions are expected in the future.
Other platform features include support for Thunderbolt 4, Wi-Fi 6, PCI Express 4, AV1 hardware video codec, and Dolby Vision. Of course, this will be implemented in ready-made laptops. The release date has not been specified.The conversation is over!!!!:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:

Intel are trying to fight, but with Apple, Microsoft and Samsung starting to offer ARM, Intel are losing their prominence...... Therefore, it's not over.

By your logic, we can go "Apple are doing ARM, conversation is over 😎😀😁😄😆😂🤣☺️☺️☺️🙂😇😊🙂🙃😉😌😋😛😋😜😝"
 
Intel are trying to fight, but with Apple, Microsoft and Samsung starting to offer ARM, Intel are losing their prominence...... Therefore, it's not over.

By your logic, we can go "Apple are doing ARM, conversation is over 😎😀😁😄😆😂🤣☺☺☺🙂😇😊🙂🙃😉😌😋😛😋😜😝"
This means the end of the conversation and the complete victory of Intel processors over ARM processors!!!!!:p:p:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:😁😁😁😆😆😆😆😆🤣 😎😀😁😄😆😂🤣☺☺☺🙂😇😊🙂🙃😉😌😋😛😋😜😝
 
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This means the end of the conversation and the complete victory of Intel processors over ARM processors!!!!!:p:p:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:😁😁😁😆😆😆😆😆🤣 😎😀😁😄😆😂🤣☺☺☺🙂😇😊🙂🙃😉😌😋😛😋😜😝

How is Intel losing their market share equal a 'complete victory'? You're living in cloud cuckoo land, mate.


Edit: Just for you @chucker23n1 🙃☺️😌🤔🤔😌🤔😛😛😆😛😁🤔😛😛😛🤭😃☺️😄😊😄☺️😄☺️😄🤣😁☺️😄😇😃😇😄😇😇😉🙃🙃🙃😇😉😊🙃😊😊☺️😛🤪😛😜😛😜😝🤪😛🤪😛
 
How is Intel losing their market share equal a 'complete victory'? You're living in cloud cuckoo land, mate.


Edit: Just for you @chucker23n1 🙃☺😌🤔🤔😌🤔😛😛😆😛😁🤔😛😛😛🤭😃☺😄😊😄☺😄☺😄🤣😁☺😄😇😃😇😄😇😇😉🙃🙃🙃😇😉😊🙃😊😊☺😛🤪😛😜😛😜😝🤪😛🤪😛
To be honest, the prime focus of intel is the cloud
And the lately introduced mobile chips are really interesting
 
Tiger Lake mobile processors with powerful graphics introduced
Intel has unveiled the eleventh generation of Tiger Lake mobile processors. These chips should become the company's "secret weapon" in the fight against the Ryzen 4000, as the new APUs are faster than the proprietary Ice Lake family and "red" processors.
Of course, these are marketing statements so far, without independent tests there is nothing to talk about. But even the published specs are impressive.
The new chips are based on Willow Cove cores and Xe graphics architecture. The cores themselves are a further development of Sunny Cove from CPU Ice Lake. Improvements include an increase in cache memory (L2 cache has grown to 1.25 MB per core, L3 cache - up to 12 MB).
The graphic subsystem is up to 96 executive devices (previously it was one and a half times less), its own 16 MB video cache and improved energy efficiency.
The processors are manufactured using the 10-nanometer SuperFin process technology. This provided the possibility of increasing frequencies up to 4.8 GHz per core with a thermal package of 28 W. Graphics are now clocked at up to 1.35 GHz. It is said to run top games on FullHD as the Xe graphics are twice as fast as Intel's early GPUs and outperforms AMD Vega in Ryzen 7 (Renoir).
Separately, support for instructions AVX-512 and the presence of a GNA (Gaussian and Neural Accelerator 2.0) block are noted. This allows for faster AI tasks.
Finally, note that two subfamilies are expected within the lineup:
with thermal package 12-28 W (formerly U-class, now UP3)
with a heat dissipation of 7-15 W (previously - Y-class, now - UP4).
The first chips received a maximum of four cores and eight threads, although even more multi-core solutions are expected in the future.
Other platform features include support for Thunderbolt 4, Wi-Fi 6, PCI Express 4, AV1 hardware video codec, and Dolby Vision. Of course, this will be implemented in ready-made laptops. The release date has not been specified.The conversation is over!!!!:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:

As you wrote: purely hot air at the moment as the product doesn’t exist. Thread can be closed I think until that changes.
 
With Intel doubling down on Windows for their Evo platform and offering no support for Linux and other operating systems in any way I think Apple's own silicon could become that much more interesting and not just for running macOS. It was fun reading this thread but mostly for the insightful comments from people who have been in this industry for a long time.

The departure from Intel hardware is final no matter what the downsides are going to be and I personally won't miss it at all. I just want a credible alternative to run a Unix(-like) operating system on ARM and Apple is going to offer that. As for extensions implemented I hope we will see support for SVE2 so the point about needing AVX-512 also becomes moot.
 
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I’m impressed with your stamina, guys. It was fun for awhile, but it’s gotten exhausting.
You misspelled annoying. :p One or two of those means something. Using whole lines of them is silly and gives the impression of someone who hasn't to the age they can vote yet (ie a child)
 
With Intel doubling down on Windows for their Evo platform and offering no support for Linux and other operating systems in any way I think Apple's own silicon could become that much more interesting and not just for running macOS. It was fun reading this thread but mostly for the insightful comments from people who have been in this industry for a long time.

The departure from Intel hardware is final no matter what the downsides are going to be and I personally won't miss it at all. I just want a credible alternative to run a Unix(-like) operating system on ARM and Apple is going to offer that. As for extensions implemented I hope we will see support for SVE2 so the point about needing AVX-512 also becomes moot.

A few weeks ago i discovered the internet archive cache of scans of old 1980s computer magazines (byte, compute!, etc). Having lived through all that, Apple's switch to its own silicon reminds me of the excitement back in those days. Apple is now free to differentiate its products in all sorts of new ways. We may get some wild things none of us currently could imagine.
 
PCI Express 4 ! Something I completely forgotten about with intel and now with AMD chipsets on the motherboard for inter connections of other hardware.

Will Apple Silicon have similar bandwidth speeds to connect with RAM, PCI Express cards, memory controllers and more?
 
Well, a quick google shows differently, for example on here:
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/market_share.html

Intel's share is 62%.

Here, a Steam survey (yea, I know, steam): Intel has 77.54% - https://www.techradar.com/news/amd-...e-from-intel-according-to-latest-steam-survey
As always a lie !!! Paid for the lie!!!:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:

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That link uses March’s Steam survey.
This link uses May’s Steam Survey and shows Intel’s share dropping now at 77.54% from 81% in the link you provided, that’s 2 months out of date (I hope you didn’t pick that deliberately ignoring the more recent Steam survey to try to support your point):


So,that’s bad news for you, my friend.
 
That link uses March’s Steam survey.
This link uses May’s Steam Survey and shows Intel’s share dropping now at 77.54% from 81% in the link you provided, that’s 2 months out of date (I hope you didn’t pick that deliberately ignoring the more recent Steam survey to try to support your point):


So,that’s bad news for you, my friend.
77% is a huge figure !!! In general, this is not about the percentage of the market share!! And the fact is that the x86 architecture has gigantic performance !!! And gigantic performance potential !!! The point is set !!!:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:
 
77% is a huge figure !!! In general, this is not about the percentage of the market share!! And the fact is that the x86 architecture has gigantic performance !!! And gigantic performance potential !!! The point is set !!!:cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool::cool:

It's dropping though, which means it's not a 'complete victory' as you claimed. As others have stated, x86 performance isn't that gigantic performance. x86 is going to become a thing of the past, as things move on to other, better ways.
 
It's dropping though, which means it's not a 'complete victory' as you claimed. As others have stated, x86 performance isn't that gigantic performance. x86 is going to become a thing of the past, as things move on to other, better ways.
x86 (Intel, AMD) is the future and ARM is the past !!!!! Market share It does not matter!!!! Flower victory!!! Conversation is over!!!!!
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