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So how is the iMac battery life then?
On a more serious note: I had multiple macbooks over the last 10 years, and I have no idea how the MBP M1 battery could be disappointing. I get the software compatibility issues at the beginning, though it is really looking good now. But, battery life is pretty much the least problem the M1 has.
Haha. 10 hours at most using Word, Safari and Hemingway editor. I did not expect 18-20 hours (Let’s be real about that). Also, Bluetooth disconnects.

Are you sure you didn’t accidentally buy an Intel model? My M1 MBP is awesome for battery life, even when I’m using software like Cinema 4D and After Effects
Returned an Intel model actually and two M1 MBAs.
 
with how long x86 has been around are any patents still valid? Pretty sure they eventually expire and then it becomes public domain?
 
Never trust Apple. If you rely on an Apple products to run your business you're doomed. After 15 years on Apple I know what I'm talking about.
They killed the MacPro the XServe, removed ports, killed the keyboard, killed FinalCut, killed Aperture and much more. Years later they invent an unusable Trashcan Mac or a super expensive MacPro.
Apple broke up with Nvidia, so Cuda is no longer an option - OpenGL is on their list, so also Blender is doomed and lots of scientific software as well. Rosetta 2 is on their list as well ...

Apple updates their main software every year and every year something dies or functionality is lost. You cannot buy something from Apple and use it for 5 years without breaking changes.

Well it is ok, if you're a kind of blogger and the only tool you need is a web browser - maybe also a photographer that doesn't care Aperture has been trashed. Also instagrammers and you tubers may be happy.


But yes, I'm using a Mac as well - mainly for emails and some App development, but I shifted my main business to use Linux workstations. Using Apple only is like having a gun pointed to your head all they time. The next software or hardware update could kill your business.
 
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I believe we are freaking out a bit too much just because of a string in a beta version.
This could be a default string put in as a precaution for future use.
If there was a legal battle going on, I strongly believe this would have leaked.
It makes no sense otherwise to remove this function at that point.
Worse case don't do the update.
 
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This wouldn't make sense to me - if you remote Rosetta that means the AS rollout process in those areas is effectively killed. AS hasn't been out that long for all apps to be universal! It took them a long time when they moved to Intel, can't see how this is any different. Administrative error perhaps?
 
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Glad I don't have to worry about this like last time during the PowerPC to Intel switch. This might be the time for those chained to Adobe to try other options like the Affinity suite (if they support M1). If I was still designing I would be thinking about it. At least they released Rosetta for use. I hated wanting the latest 64 bit OS (Catalina) and knowing a lot of my 32 bit programs were toast.
 
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This is mostly negative, but one benefit is that developers will have no choice but to pick up the pace and release Apple Silicon native apps.
 
Nope. Then it would be the U.S., and it won’t be the U.S.

More likely it has to do with export controls - something about Rosetta is technology that can’t be exported to certain “hostile” countries. That’s my bet, anyway.
That would... actually make a ton of sense. There are export controls on FPGA chips. I guess emulating x86 with an ARM chip is close enough to FPGA for comfort?
 
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But yes, I'm using a Mac as well - mainly for emails and some App development, but I shifted my main business to use Linux workstations. Using Apple only is like haven a gun pointed to your head all they time. The next software or hardware update could kill your business.
Yeah, like what happened to Centos. That's the case with any vendor, not just Apple. In fact, you can still use all that old hardware and software if you'd like; it hasn't stopped working.

The level of BS here is really ridiculous.
 
Does Apple have to pay Intel for this conversion technology? If that's true that makes sense why they will have to turn it off in the future.

Rosetta 2 technology is awesome - helps a lot of apps not yet ready for m1 run... so maybe they will delay the update or people can skip this update for a time. I suppose we'll just have to see what regions get Rosetta 2 deactivated.
 
You're either not a developer or not working on a large codebase that uses libraries from 3rd parties. I work as a developer in a company that has started work on an M1 native version of our software since the M1 DTK was available. Our DTK experienced a hardware failure after roughly 2 months (M1 macs weren't commercially available at the time so this halted our development until we were able to buy an M1 (we received a replacement DTK but only after we bought the real deal)) and then we had to wait for several companies that supply libraries to us to do changes on their end. We're only now able to start to try to put all the pieces together.

This.

I got my DTK at the first opportunity last year and spent a great deal of time migrating our codebase to M1. We had to update multiple third party and open sources libraries to make everything work. It wasn't like Theo Gray clicking a box (how many of you were at WWDC in 2005?)
 
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People seems to forget that PowerPC Rosetta 1 transition ended in less than a year when Apple promised two years of support. Now this. Big Sur not even reach its end of development yet and Rosetta will be removed from devices sold in certain region.

This is just another example of big tech company having so much power, they can arbitrarily terminate support of anything and customers are left in the dry. I bet this is part of the TOS.

This is the world we are living right now.
 
This is where Apple made a *major* mistake in the whole M1 chip transition. The whole purpose behind using the Intel processor was Boot Camp and the ability to run Windows OS and software on the same computer -- to hopefully increase their market share and presence in the Office/Work Environment.

Parallels and other VM apps took it even further -- you can run Windows and multiple Mac OS installations without having to reboot the computer.
That was not at all the whole purpose of the intel processor switch. It was a minor side benefit of the transition. The purpose of the switch was to allow them to have notebook computers that wouldn’t light themselves on fire while draining the battery in 10 minutes.
 
It could surely just be a trademark issue?
No it can’t. A trademark issue would mean apple could not call it Rosetta. Not that they would have to remove the software. Popping up the box that says “I’m removing Rosetta” would be more of a trademark violation than actually running Rosetta and never saying the word “Rosetta” while doing so.
 
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with how long x86 has been around are any patents still valid? Pretty sure they eventually expire and then it becomes public domain?
We invented 64 bit x86 around 2005ish. Add 20 years for patents to expire.

This issue has nothing to do with patents, though. If it did, the country with the most patents is the US, and there is no way the “region” will include the US.
 
That would... actually make a ton of sense. There are export controls on FPGA chips. I guess emulating x86 with an ARM chip is close enough to FPGA for comfort?

Complete guess here, but I think it might be an encryption issue. When Rosetta creates the static translation on-disk, it has to sign it in some way to prevent tampering (otherwise malware, bugs, etc. could result in arbitrary code execution). That crytographic signature process may be the issue. Just a guess, of course.
 
People seems to forget that PowerPC Rosetta 1 transition ended in less than a year when Apple promised two years of support. Now this. Big Sur not even reach its end of development yet and Rosetta will be removed from devices sold in certain region.

This is just another example of big tech company having so much power, they can arbitrarily terminate support of anything and customers are left in the dry. I bet this is part of the TOS.

This is the world we are living right now.

"This is the world we are living right now."

No, that's the world you are apparently living in. A world where well-reasoned thought and evidence is conveniently abandoned, and mere rumors with incomplete information cause people to leap to a "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" conclusion.
 
"This is the world we are living right now."

No, that's the world you are apparently living in. A world where well-reasoned thought and evidence is conveniently abandoned, and mere rumors with incomplete information cause people to leap to a "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" conclusion.
This is why we never can have nice things.
People are reasonably panic upon incomplete information. And export control, while sounds reasonable, may not be the reason why Apple pulls Rosetta support in certain regions. Everyone here is guessing and speculating, until Apple releases some form of statement. Thing is, the truth of this matter may never be known outside of US government and Apple board of directors.
 
That was not at all the whole purpose of the intel processor switch. It was a minor side benefit of the transition. The purpose of the switch was to allow them to have notebook computers that wouldn’t light themselves on fire while draining the battery in 10 minutes.

I would also add that Apple not being shackled to Intel's lackluster roadmap, while incurring product delays and tiny <5% incremental performance improvements, was a large driver.

And that Apple can tailor their Mx silicon with special secret-sauce features and processing units, while fostering greater levels of integration, is another. That Apple doesn't have to incur Intel's margins is likely icing.
 
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