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Yep, most of those films are probably between 1-5mil. That’s not big budget at all and considered Tier 1.

You said “most” are using RED camera. That just isn’t the case.
Can you prove they're not? GOT is 10M an episode. 80M a season. I'd love for you to detail each and every budget for those movies if you have the time. Otherwise, don't waste my time with your anecdotes. Arri is used on a bunch of budget crap. What the heck is your point?
 
Can you prove they're not? GOT is 10M an episode. 80M a season. I'd love for you to detail each and every budget for those movies if you have the time. Otherwise, don't waste my time with your anecdotes. Arri is used on a bunch of budget crap. What the heck is your point?

What are you talking about anecdotes? You said most movies used RED and I disagreed.

GOT was estimated 30M an episode.
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Yep, many of those films are probably between 1-5mil. That’s not big budget at all and considered Tier 1.

You said “most” are using RED camera. That just isn’t the case at least in my experience.


And why were you giving me movies shot on Arri? That’s a different brand.
 
What are you talking about anecdotes? You said most movies used RED and I disagreed.

GOT was estimated 30M an episode.
You said you worked on 10 films. Maybe 2 of them used RED. That is not fact to what I said. That is your personal experience. I can claim the Arri line of cameras are aimed at indies, too, because a lot of low budget indies use them. I can count 40 movies scrolling through RED's page that have budgets from $55M to $200M. And what they display is a small pool of what's been made using their camera per the other links I provided.

Like me claiming Apple's editing software is not a real NLE because it's only used a small subset of editing houses and shouldn't be considered professional, and thus the Afterburner card is a colossal waste of money and you'd be better off buying a Rohde & Schwarz Clipser card to do the same work without being locked into specific formats or software.
 
You said you worked on 10 films. Maybe 2 of them used RED. That is not fact to what I said. That is your personal experience. I can claim the Arri line of cameras are aimed at indies, too, because a lot of low budget indies use them. I can count 40 movies scrolling through RED's page that have budgets from $55M to $200M.

Gotcha. Not trying to argue. I’ve worked on probably 50 movies and TV shows and maybe 3-4 used RED. https://m.imdb.com/name/nm5670026/?ref_=m_nv_sr_1

The ones that did were unquestionably lower in budget. Maybe that’s the exception it that is my experience. Arris get used all the time. :)
 
I'm sorry but Steve Jobs designed products for the people, not for the elites, it seems that Apple has lost its track. You can't start a base configuration + monitor on $12,000, even if it's a fair price on what you get. You can not double the price of the base configuration suddenly. Old Mac Pro + LG 5k Ultrafine about $4,300 , compared to $12,000, 3X the price, you're not right, it's an insane decision with not so clear price/value. When you start selling less volume with highger prices every other day, your are digging your own grave.

I agree. This is an insane overshoot. There's nearly no customers at that end of the market.

Tim Cook is all about maintaining margin across all products. It's is only be going extreme that they believe they can get those margins on things like displays.

They are incredibly wrong on this point. They can still achieve high margins on displays and other things if they consolidate their design language. Instead we get a notch, a cheese grater, a soft edged square (watch), a hard edged rectangle (ipad). I've's is literally turning Apple into Braun, where you can get the worlds best designed electric razor, and the worlds best toaster, and you can put them in a museum with nothing similar or in between.
 
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Thanks for watching. :) Make sure to check out my Sound Department credits, not the Composer ones. I don’t count those. :)
I'm curious. What software do you guys use these days? About 10 years ago Native Instruments was the standard if your budget didn't allow for a live orchestra or recording to be done.
 
I'm curious. What software do you guys use these days? About 10 years ago Native Instruments was the standard if your budget didn't allow for a live orchestra or recording to be done.

For Composing, I use Logic Pro and occasionally Pro Tools. I do use a Native Instrument Kontakt all the time for various sample libraries from many makers (mostly Project Sam and Spitfire).

I’m only a few years in on doing film scores, so there are people way more seasoned than I. I have fun though, which I could rarely say about doing sound on set. That was just backbreaking.
 
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For starters, you need to upgrade to the 8 core Xeon Gold 6144 3.5GHz to be comparable to the base Mac Pro. That adds about $2700 (remember to add similar RAM, networking, a small but fast nvme drive, etc). Even then, the Xeon processors in the Mac Pro are likely the next gen from the ones in the Dells.

I'm not going to buy this. I don't need it. All of my heavy processing is done on a university cluster/supercomputer. I also need CUDA access. This doesn't prevent me from realizing that this is a fairly priced workstation.

I upgraded to the 10 core xeon. When the Mac Pro is released the dell will be updated as well. Sorry to inform you that Dell uses Intel's Gold and silver Xeons make great workstation processors and are much smoother than the W-class. W class is inferior and a class below, pardon the pun. The golds and silver are scalable, the W series is not.

I added up everything similar or better. All for around $4000. Dell is getting the newest higher grade bronze processors as well as the gold and silver if you want to save a few bucks. You can do the same as i. It is not fairly priced, not by a long shot. I know how to add up components. It seems you do not. A scalable processor provides greater performance than w processors.

You can buy one preconfiured for $4300 with better specs than Apple offers.

Its a straight rip off. Period. Same as Apple charging $1000 for a monitor stand, while not offering a stand at all for $5000. If they are willing to do that what makes you think they are going to give you a fair price on anything.
 
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Which is what I want, an expandable machine with good thermals that is not workstations class. I can get them from HP and Dell, but I would prefer to use Mac OS
What you want is not available with Apple. so look elsewhere?
 
Its a straight rip off. Period. Same as Apple charging $1000 for a monitor stand, while not offering a stand at all for $5000. If they are willing to do that what makes you think they are going to give you a fair price on anything.

That's it. And besides that, it seems my fears came true - Apple obviously no longer has an interest in that product segment, hence the flat out robbery pricing.
 
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That's it. And besides that, it seems my fears came true - Apple obviously no longer has an interest in that product segment, hence the flat out robbery pricing.

Exactly. How this is lost on people is amazing. They actually go out of their way to defend apple? Sheer lunacy. The applause after they announced dark mode, swipe on they keyboard, change settings from wifi was cringe worthy. These features have been available for years on other phones and the iphone itself( swipe keyboard). But they clap and cheer?

I dont get it. It looks like a system wide brainwashing. Something out of a movie where you dont know how people can be this naive. I like my iphone xs and ipad pro, apple watch 4 but use Android as well( oneplus 6T) and android wear ( montblanc summit 2) since i am a software engineer i have to use both and can see the plus and minuses for each. What Apple is good at is marketing, its amazing. Almost sinister.
 
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The new Mac Pro crates a dilemma for creative professionals such as graphic designers and music producers. It's clearly aimed at a small segment of the film and motion graphics industries and is specced to excel in graphics power. The lack of a broader range of systems that would start at a lower price point puzzles me as I assumed Apple was making a "modular" system where we could spec it to the level we need. So what do we buy? Hmmm
 
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Why is Apple giving up on computer gaming? If they made a Mac, with a swappable GPU, then boys/teens/men aged 10-30, might consider buying a Mac. Millions of young men play PC games, but can't really do that on MacOS.

Yes, which is why many who have higher power macs have a boot camp partition with windows on it. That's what I do when I feel like gaming. It's really the only way.
 
I upgraded to the 10 core xeon. When the Mac Pro is released the dell will be updated as well. Sorry to inform you that Dell uses Intel's Gold and silver Xeons make great workstation processors and are much smoother than the W-class. W class is inferior and a class below, pardon the pun. The golds and silver are scalable, the W series is not.

I added up everything similar or better. All for around $4000. Dell is getting the newest higher grade bronze processors as well as the gold and silver if you want to save a few bucks. You can do the same as i. It is not fairly priced, not by a long shot. I know how to add up components. It seems you do not. A scalable processor provides greater performance than w processors.

You can buy one preconfiured for $4300 with better specs than Apple offers.

Its a straight rip off. Period. Same as Apple charging $1000 for a monitor stand, while not offering a stand at all for $5000. If they are willing to do that what makes you think they are going to give you a fair price on anything.

I agree with you, from the Apple CEO to the product design chief, seems that they have gone nuts, or want to destroy the pro computer division, I saw the fall of Silicon Graphics and Apple is taking the same road, computers that only major production studios, oil companies or big research facilities like NASA can get, is the wrong way to go. They're gonna lose millions of dollars on Mac Pro sales. Seriously, they don't know that all audiovisual facilities work on a budget?
 
Really? that's nonsensical. guess you've never used a laptop with an external display at the same time?
I have and it's excruciating.

On the other hand, I am not a photographer or videographer, unlike the person you are replying to.
I'm guessing that having roughly matching displays -- color and otherwise -- is important for that sort of user...
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I'll tell you a story, "Silicon Graphics", the best grahic computers for 3D and VFX on the 90's, they fell down, what was the reason? Their prices were rising up with same excuse that Tim Cook was justifying the price of the new Mac Pro, investment in high technology design.

I'm sorry, but that's a lot of bull.
The demise of SGI was due to a lot of factors, including but not limited to:
  1. Bad management and lavish expenses, no cash flow
  2. The dot-com crash
  3. IRIX being an absolute ******** in its last years
  4. The company's lack of committment to IRIX and move to Windows NT which only exacerbated the problems
  5. The company's refusal to accept that commodity parts that benefit from economies of scale could do the same as their custom machines -- that Dell could just buy Intel and ATI parts and assemble a workstation that was sort of in the same league as the Tezro.
This is not at all the situation at Apple.

  1. Cash flow? They have a license to print their own money.
  2. Dot com crash? Nope.
  3. macOS is in great health
  4. The company is certainly not trying to sell Windows NT workstations...
  5. Apple is buying chips from ATI and Intel; I'm sure Tim Cook does not need any lesson on how to run the supply chain. There is some custom silicon being developed, but that's added value that you can't buy from competitors, they're not reinventing what AMD can sell them for realatively cheap thanks to scale.
You've seen the demo, guys.
As it stands, if the marketing is not lying, Apple sells the only machine (or at least the only Final Cut/Logic machine, e.g. Pro Tools has been using custom silicon for ages) that can render three 8k ProRes streams in real time, probably thanks to its acquisition of that-silicon-startup-I-can't-remember-the-name-of.
That, alone, if true, means that Apple has already broke even just with the preorders from major Logic and Final Cut users.

When you start selling less volume with highger prices every other day, your are digging your own grave.
Or you are just transitioning to a higher-end segment.
E.g. FIAT seems to be doing pretty good, despite axing real-socialist models like the Ritmo in favour of high-margin lines like the 500 or the 124 Spider...

I'm sorry but Steve Jobs designed products for the people, not for the elites

Yes, the famous XServe RAID, for the people.
Or the Lisa, for the people.

What is that even supposed to mean, really.

Can we stop with the cult of Steve Jobs?
Great enterpreneur, keen eye for detail, anal on ergonomics, effective manager - I am told - but he was not Jesus, he did not start a religion.
He sold hardware.

By the way, the new Mac Pro might just be a driver in selling products for the people to the people.
You know concept cars and high-end road models?
They serve in part to establish prestige around a brand.
How many 2003 iBook G3s do you think the introduction of the G5 cheese grater helped sell to engineering students?
I'm willing to bet: quite a few.
 
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Can you explain why the Linux box will be 4x faster? I mean, there hasn't even been a benchmark for the MacPro yet.

The MacPro is not some magical box. It uses Xeon processors... just like tons of other workstations on the market. While it has some great stuff for graphics card users... if your workflows are pure CPU it’s not going to do anything special.

It’s simply 8 cores vs 32. Our software and our workflows scale directly with cores x GHz.

Having a 32 core Threadripper box be around the same price as the 8 core Mac Pro means, for me... with my work, there is no way I can consider a Mac Pro.
 
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Just getting this out there. It’s a very good tweetstorm which I think puts a lot of this perceived outrage against Apple in the right context.

https://twitter.com/5tu/status/1135934728563904515
https://twitter.com/5tu/status/1135934992977031168
https://twitter.com/5tu/status/1135935657824534528

A mid-tier headless Mac makes absolutely no sense, considering you already have the iMac and iMac Pro for that.

So if you didn’t somehow expect that the Mac Pro would be expensive (because its role is to take on the tasks that are too demanding even for a maxed out iMac Pro), then I think it is you who are delusional, not Apple.
 
Just getting this out there. It’s a very good tweetstorm which I think puts a lot of this perceived outrage against Apple in the right context.

https://twitter.com/5tu/status/1135934728563904515
https://twitter.com/5tu/status/1135934992977031168
https://twitter.com/5tu/status/1135935657824534528

A mid-tier headless Mac makes absolutely no sense, considering you already have the iMac and iMac Pro for that.

So if you didn’t somehow expect that the Mac Pro would be expensive (because its role is to take on the tasks that are too demanding even for a maxed out iMac Pro), then I think it is you who are delusional, not Apple.

The base level Mac Pro is not particularly powerful and is still expensive.
 
Just getting this out there. It’s a very good tweetstorm which I think puts a lot of this perceived outrage against Apple in the right context.

https://twitter.com/5tu/status/1135934728563904515
https://twitter.com/5tu/status/1135934992977031168
https://twitter.com/5tu/status/1135935657824534528

A mid-tier headless Mac makes absolutely no sense, considering you already have the iMac and iMac Pro for that.

So if you didn’t somehow expect that the Mac Pro would be expensive (because its role is to take on the tasks that are too demanding even for a maxed out iMac Pro), then I think it is you who are delusional, not Apple.

It probably doesn’t make sense for a school teacher with a rather limited and/or shallow computer usage.

For example also my iMac doesn’t thermal throttle when I just do some power point presentations or airdrop some word files to my MBP.
 
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