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Apple claiming their 256Kbps AAC files is CD quality though. I have tested it with my own CD uploaded to Apple Music compared to the original CD playing from another Mac. Both are played to HomePods paired as stereo and both sound identical. There might be difference but I didn't hear it so I can't fault Apple claim.
That doesn't mean it's lossless though. It's not. It's just for your ears it's CD quality.

256 is not cd quality

quietly mixed high hat parts will almost disappear in aac if the song hasn’t been mastered for it

the fact that you don’t hear a difference says more about home pods than it does 1,411 wav vs 256 aac
 
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256 is not cd quality

the fact that you don’t hear a difference says more about home pods than it does 1,411 wav vs 256 aac
And I don't mean it is lossless, as stated very clear in my previous post. I'm just saying the Apple claim holds true for me that it is CD quality for my ears.
The word quality can be subjective. Apple never claim AAC is lossless.
 
And I don't mean it is lossless, as stated very clear in my previous post. I'm just saying the Apple claim holds true for me that it is CD quality for my ears.
The word quality can be subjective. Apple never claim AAC is lossless.

i’m saying it but not be your ears but rather your speakers
 
i’m saying it but not be your ears but rather your speakers
No I know my speakers. My friend has a listening room with $20,000 speakers. I know how some albums sound. HomePods paired as stereo is quite good. (the big one not a mini)
 
Apple and "Free" in the same sentence, nope. It's another revenue stream.

Apple can compete when they need to. Look at how quickly iPods dropped in price when the Zune entered the market for example. Music streaming is a hot market so they want to attract as many users as they can, that may mean making the HiFi tier "free" - it's not like it costs them that much more to stream the files to you. They have plenty of bandwidth and storage.
 
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It's my understanding (and could be wrong) that all Apple headphones max out at 256kbps AAC and anything else is converted down. So an uplift in music quality necessitates purchasing new hardware, too.

It would be nice if Apple supported aptx so those with headphones that support this can benefit.
aptx is a competing standard, and Apple doesn’t own it. If Apple use it, they will enrich the competitors and will be forced to pay royalties.
 
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I lost my airpods 2 a couple of weeks ago so airpods 3 is perfect timing. On that note I really hope they include a built in airtag so I don’t lose another set.
 
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Releasing hi-fi audio with a hardware that does not produce hi-fi sound?
Route Incompatible" and "Route Unknown Compatibility" suggests that much like how Spatial Audio is limited to only the ‌AirPods Pro‌ and ‌AirPods Max‌, HiFi ‌Apple Music‌ streaming could be exclusive to certain generation ‌AirPods‌ and other compatible devices. I’ll wait until there is testing to show real world experience not just antidotal golden ear ones. On the other hand, I’m the type of listener that listens to the music, not my equipment.
 
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Releasing hi-fi audio with a hardware that does not produce hi-fi sound?

Random thought - what if it’s not hifi sound but instead, some sort of 3D spatial audio that takes advantage of existing hardware in your iOS devices and AirPods Pro / Max?

For example, imagine listening to classical music and being able to hear where each instrument is coming from, as though you were actually sitting in the room itself.

The music wouldn’t necessarily be higher quality, but would still make for a better listening experience in its own way. It would be a cool way for Apple to further leverage their hardware / software integration in a way that competitors can’t.
 
the airpods pro have terrible build quality. just keep getting them replaced and hopefully they swap it out for an airpods pro 2 by the time it comes out.....unless you ran out of apple care
Now thankfully the static and buzzing issues seem to have went away. But I’ve always had issues with them charging, even with the AirPods and case clean as a whistle. Just this morning I woke up with my right one at 0% battery. This has happened with multiple replacements. I blame poor design, as this has never happened with my gen 1 or gen 2 regular AirPods.
 
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Random thought - what if it’s not hifi sound but instead, some sort of 3D spatial audio that takes advantage of existing hardware in your iOS devices and AirPods Pro / Max?

For example, imagine listening to classical music and being able to hear where each instrument is coming from, as though you were actually sitting in the room itself.

The music wouldn’t necessarily be higher quality, but would still make for a better listening experience in its own way. It would be a cool way for Apple to further leverage their hardware / software integration in a way that competitors can’t.

you’re basically describing stereo sound and reverb. this is how music has been recorded and reproduced for decades

to the point that you are retyping almost verbatim stereo hi-fi ad copy from the 60s

if you mean to describe some sort of new fantastical thing then either music would have to be specifically recorded for it, or it would be some sort algorithmic on the fly altering of existing recorded music, which would not be accurately reproducing the recording

the best way to reproduce music is to as faithfully as possible playback the recording as the musicians, engineers, mixers and mastering engineers produced it and intended it to sound without any artificial coloration. using software trickery to try to compensate for lossy compression is one thing. trying to add something artificial that was never there does a disservice to the art of music altogether
 
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Spotify gonna cry so hard if true. They really need to up their game, otherwise im moving over to Apple Music.
As long as you don't depend on algos to discover new music, get new playlists etc. Apple Music is the worst of breed when it comes to this.
 
So just to be clear - NO mention of expectations of AirPod PROS with this announcement, right? I've been waiting for awhile to pull the trigger on a new set of AirPods (but planning for the Pros), since I'm going from version1 AirPods and their battery life is about 20 minutes haha. I thought that AirPod Pros would've been included in this mix of updates but I guess not? Maybe go ahead and pull the trigger on the Pros the next time a good deal rolls around...
 
Hopefully AirPods max will support hifi audio transmission and we won’t have to upgrade to AirPods max pro
Not gonna happen imho. Pretty sure Apple will unveil their own high quality codec which will be activated with a FW upgrade on the Max and the Pro and will be included in the new AirPods 3
 
I wonder will Apple roll out both the AirPods 3 and AirPods Pro 2 together using the H2 Bluetooth chip?

Hopefully this is true. I’ve been wanting to buy the Pros for a while but have been holding off in the hopes of an upgrade this year.
 
So just to be clear - NO mention of expectations of AirPod PROS with this announcement, right? I've been waiting for awhile to pull the trigger on a new set of AirPods (but planning for the Pros), since I'm going from version1 AirPods and their battery life is about 20 minutes haha. I thought that AirPod Pros would've been included in this mix of updates but I guess not? Maybe go ahead and pull the trigger on the Pros the next time a good deal rolls around...
No pros expected until later in the year most likely.
 
Not sure how much Apple cares about the handful of people with lightning headphones that have onboard DAC and the ability to translate lossless music. I used to have a set, but they broke.

No one is transmitting lossless audio over bluetooth unless it's Apple doing it in their proprietary way, so that's why it would be restricted to AirPods and Beats, at least for wireless headphones.
I understand the wireless angle, but not everybody uses apple music in wireless mode.
On the desktop there are quite a few people using wired headphones still.
I use Apple Music 70% on desktop 30% on mobile and in this smart working post-covid world I don't see this changing.

Also I don't think that apple would like its platform to be less feature rich than the competition.
Amazon Music and Spotify hi-fi have both a hi-fi tier accessible to everyone with a dac/wired headphones...locking the hi-fi tier to apple devices would be pretty grim.
 
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