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what pissed me off about the whole nader thing, was not him. but it was some of his people..

my example:

michael moore (filmmaker/writer) was a big green party/nader supporter... bush then won the election. moore showed up here at nyu to talk and he acted pissed off, as though he was sorry that he'd supported nader and how nader's votes stole from gore. but nader's entire platform and most of his supporters talked about how bush and gore are the same. and that there's no difference b/w the reps and dems. and that's why they needed someone like nader, and some change.

so these hypocritical people piss me off.

funny thing is, my parents are republicans basically, and i actually would've voted for bush if not nader, but not gore... however, it was a no brainer for me. nader was my choice

to me he represented the ideas that would most change the country for the better in the long run. but now we'll never know...

you gotta admit, it'd be INTERESTING to see how nader would've dealt with foreign countries (the war too) as well as congress and such. such a radical thinker in a position to truly change things. i'm very curious how it'd have worked out.
 
Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
what pissed me off about the whole nader thing, was not him. but it was some of his people..

my example:

michael moore (filmmaker/writer) was a big green party/nader supporter... bush then won the election. moore showed up here at nyu to talk and he acted pissed off, as though he was sorry that he'd supported nader and how nader's votes stole from gore. but nader's entire platform and most of his supporters talked about how bush and gore are the same. and that there's no difference b/w the reps and dems. and that's why they needed someone like nader, and some change.

so these hypocritical people piss me off.
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I've seen Michael Moore in person, read his book, seen him on TV, and even talked to him briefly about this in person and so I wonder if you were actually paying attention while he was speaking.
He admits that in the last few weeks of the campaign he told people in states with very tight races like Florida's that they should decide which is more important, the lesser of two evils (voting for Gore), or making a statement by supporting Nader. Michael Moore himself voted for Nader since his state, New York, was not a close race.
I'm not sure that you can equate pragmatism with hypocracy.
 
Re: Iran...another inane tangent

Originally posted by eirik


Give me a *******-i-n-g break!!!

The news coverage on Iran's reaction was pitiful.

The opposition groups and people not under threat of losing their job or enrollment in school loved it. All those demonstrations were organized by the clerics, which run the so-called 'moderate' government. All government employees and students were REQUIRED to PARTICIPATE in those demonstrations. The cleric dominated Iranian government is renowned for putting on choreographs demonstrations at the drop of a hat.

Actual Iranian experts (source: Fox News, "Special Report", http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,51724,00.html ) report that America is more popular amongst its average citizens than those of all of the other middle east countries. Although, we're so hated in the other countries, I wouldn't rush off to Iran to buy silk Persian rugs.

Iranian opposition groups are drawing upon the President's characterization as a rallying point, solidifying their opposition. Its noted in their publications and radio broadcasts (from outside of Iran itself). BTW, the cleric-dominated government is tearing down satellite dishes because Iranian people are watching non-government controlled news reports from abroad.

When reading or listening to news about Iran, one really must check one's sources. I've never seen such flawed reporting on any foreign policy subject as that of sentiments among average Iranian citizens about America.


Eirik
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You base your response on a single brief interview by one memeber of the American Enterprise Institute, a group that although claims to be non partisan, actually aligns itsefl idealogically farther to the right of the republican party in many people's view. You then quote and link to Fox News an unabashedly conservative and fervently partisan media company.
Although the average Iranian may have nothing against the average American, they do not love our government and it's policies, they love our culture, technology, and standard of living.
When it comes to politics, the Ayatollahs still hold the upper hand in Iran. The moderates in the government are in a difficult position and have to walk a tightrope to get reforms passed without upsetting the religious leaders. By describing their country as evil, Bush has made their work that much more difficult to do. A rallying point? Ludicrous. Pershaps a radical reformer would be able to use that statement, but in Iran the radical opposition does not last long in the open and depends on the moderates to inch progress forward. When a group is under attack it will circle the wagons and ask around to see who is with them and who is against them. The reformers will be hard pressed to continue any activity that would seem to be against the religious government under this kind of pressure, thus setting back the reform movement.
 
Nader

unfortunately (like apple) Nader only controls a small % of the market share in america. It'll take a miracle for Nader to become president, and apple will most likely never be able to compete with wintel ... oh well, the'll both still be around in the comming years.
 
Originally posted by blakespot

A teaser?



blakespot
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I just felt like apple had something much better in store but moto couldnt deliver. If there had been something other then just the ol' Mhz boost I would have bought it. I just was expecting more and I think what I had wanted is coming out with MWNY. I feel like it was released to hold us over until the better ones are ready.
 
Yea lets all interlace obsinities with our post's and show how ignerint we are. Sometimes I wonder if you are just little 14 year olds that look at porn on their Mac Plus and walk around Wal-Mart saying the F-word trying to look cool. I'm not looking for haters but I know little kids that love looking at post's and they are picking up words from Macrumors and making parents want to block it from them SO please Stop.
 
Bush in Berlin

Since we are all the time off-topic, I just feel like telling you an interesting observation today...

As you know George W. Bush arrived today in my home-town, good old Berlin. I am living in the district of Spandau, which is at the western border of the city and my appartment happens to be right beside the entry lane of the airport Berlin-Tegel, which gives me a really good look onto the planes that are on final approach to the airport without being unbearable loud.

The Air Force One with the President was supposed to arrive around 8:30 p.m. At least that's what the media said in advance. So I was curious about watching the Air Force One approaching the airport and maybe taking some pictures... It's not often that you can see the Air Force One from that close in action and with the President of the USA on board... probably the closest I'll ever get to an American President.... ;) (300 meters)

So now the interetsing part starts. Around 7:30 p.m., I was just arriving home and was locking my car on the street, I heard a plane approaching that sounded different than the usal two engine planes that land in Tegel. I was curious and tried as fast as possible to see the plane coming in. But for a while I only could hear it, it was strange.

And then I saw it .... the Air Force One. It was so low, I thought it would touch the trees any second. And I heard a lot of 747s approaching in my life, but this one was pretty quit. Looked as if they tried to steal into the city without being noticed a lot.

I was disappointed... I wanted to take pictures and now they made the arrival time a hoax...

But the story is not over. Right after that I switched the TV on at home to hear about the arrival of Bush... but they still said that he would arrive still! "Uhuh!", I thought... there is something strange going on. Then they told the official arrival time of Bush on TV and that it would be 8:15 p.m. So now I was curious again and waited at the window of my living-room (with a perfect view on the entry lane) to see if really a plane would arrive.

And exactly at 8:15 there was a plane, that looked like the... Air Force One again! This time doing a normal approach.

So there are two Air Force Ones ... or shall I say Air Force One and Air Force Two? ;) Did anybody know that before? They use two identical planes to play hide and seek with potential attackers. And I am pretty sure that Bush was in the first one, because I noticed that for about 30 minutes before the first plane landed there was no other plane approaching the airport. Very unusual for that time of the day. Second hint is that the plane came in exremely low (they have pretty good pilots actually!). Third evidence is, that they didn't show any pictures from the airport and the arrival of Bush. At the time the second plane arrived he probably was all safe already in his hotel. The only picture they showed was how they put the gangway... kinda cheap...

Sorry for bothering you with that story, but I found it interesting to watch that game, even I don't get what it should really prevent??? I mean, if some terrorist are kind of professionel, they can't be fooled by easy tricks like that. Especially since it only works exactly only one time before everybody knows.

Anyway... greetings from Berlin.

groovebuster
 
Doh! Now that you told everyone you just wasted $125,000,000 of our US Taxpayer dollars!
No I don't think that would fool too many pros, but it gives them a 50% success rate at best, and it might still fool the lone nut case.
 
Originally posted by SPG
Doh! Now that you told everyone you just wasted $125,000,000 of our US Taxpayer dollars!
No I don't think that would fool too many pros, but it gives them a 50% success rate at best, and it might still fool the lone nut case.
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Very funny! But maybe I should tell you, that an average 747 costs about $200,000,000. A "little" difference! Not to mention the costs to run and maintain the puppy. I don't think that any person on this friggin' planet is worth to be spend that much money on just for little security games like this with almost no effect. Also not the president of the US, he is replacable like anybody else (especially since it is Bush ;)).

So if they shoot down a 747 every time the president is travellig the world, this becomes pretty expensive on the long run. And the chance of survival overall is getting also lower every time by half. Besides that I would really like to know, what a "lone nut case" could do anyway??? It's not that you can buy anti-aircraft-missiles here at every corner for a few Euros! That would be probably a lot easier where you live.

For me that is pure paranoia.

Whatever... I just found the observation interesting. Should have known that someone like you is making an arrogant comment about it right away.

And of course you knew before that they use two identical planes! ;) You are one of those who know everything! :D

groovebuster
 
Arrogant? Know it all? Them's is fightin' words my friend.
And you can't buy an anti aircraft missile for a few euros here on the corner, they only take good old american greenbacks like any self respecting arms dealer would!

And for the record, I think the other 747 is probably carrying other support staff and gear, so not a total waste.
 
Originally posted by SPG
Arrogant? Know it all? Them's is fightin' words my friend.
And you can't buy an anti aircraft missile for a few euros here on the corner, they only take good old american greenbacks like any self respecting arms dealer would!

And for the record, I think the other 747 is probably carrying other support staff and gear, so not a total waste.
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Yup! Arrogant! ... reread your first post and try to put yourself into my position reading a reaction like that (that tax payer dollars thingy). If your first reaction is to make the other one looking ridiculous...

I was just wondering about my observation, that's all. I found out meanwhile that there are really two Air Force One officially since 1990. Never thought of it before, because for me the Air Force One was always ONE particular plane (like it's name is inducing).

And there are some things (btw, I was often in North America and the USA) that are just fact. You can buy guns and weapons on every corner (unlike here). And if you know the right people, you also get stuff under the table that is way beyond the normal shot-gun.
But it's funny that you try to provoke with another stupid arrogant comment. What is the relation between US$ and selfrespect? And how can someone have self-respect who is dealing with guns and arms anyway?

Unfortunately you are that kind of ignorant US American being responsible, that the USA is losing more and more support and respect in the world. Probably you think : "Who cares"? But one day you will my friend! Mark my words!

To the rest of the people: Sorry for bothering you. Since it is not possible to post something here as a non-US-American without getting stupid comments by american morons, I won't participate anymore in discussions here. Herr, schmeiß Hirn vom Himmel. Und davon besonders viel auf den nordamerikanischen Kontinent!

groovebuster
 
I think you're overreacting there just a bit, Herr groovebuster.

SPG likes to joke around, and I guess you didn't get the joke. It's pretty thin-skinned of you to say that you're never coming back. :rolleyes:

No-one accused you of saying anything un-American.

What you must realize that the excess of our government no longer impresses/shocks us. We're used to hearing stories of $500 hammers and $1000 toilet seats. An extra Air Force One or two doesn't surprise us.

I think the observation you made is interesting. Now just try to keep your sense of humor. Okay?:)
 
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