Rumored 'Healthbook' App for iOS 8 Suggests Significant Health Component to iWatch

Tankmaze said:
Ooo i'm loving this



When you're young like teens or 20s, people usually don't monitor their health. but when you're 30+ you started to watch what you're eating. I think this will do well in 30+ age demographic.
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Add 40+ age category as well ^^
 
Piggie said:
Sorry, it's you who do not, or are taken in by the massive moneymaking slimming industry.

It not rocket science.

You look at your daily lifestyle, and let's say given all you do, you burn up 2000 calories.

You eat 1500 calories of food over a period of time. Don't cheat. Stick to that number and you will lose weight.

It's scientifically impossible not to.

Naturally it's best if those 1500 calories come from natural healthy balanced food and not candy and sugar drinks, but thats all there is too it.

Sorry, no magic.
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Lol you know nothing about human nutrition. Your ignorance is the reason the nation and world has become more obese and diabetic.
 
Piggie said:
Sounds like you are trying to earn money by over complicating things to baffle people.
What I see about people trying to diet is that they are obsessed over food.
Too many are too fussy and worrying about food too much.

I wanted to lose weight a few years ago. Guess, what I did?
I limited myself to 1000 calories a day (should be eating 2000 easy)
I didn't eat junk (common sense) I ate the most stuff I could do bulk. No reason to eat a chocolate bar when I could have a whole tuna salad for the same calories.

1000 calories a day, strict with myself, and lost weight easy, for me, it was an engine. food it, vs food burned.

Simple, easy and worked.

Biggest problem is walking past all the things in the supermarket and not buying them

No candy, no cookies, only lean white meat, fish, salads, rice, veg curry, rise snacks, no alcohol.
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This is the problem with the ignorant who don't know anything about nutrition. They oversimplify something which is so far beyond their understanding of it, that it is unbelievable. Human nutrition is so complex, you can't even grasp the complexity, let alone know even a little about it. It isn't anywhere near fully understood by the human race, period (i.e. the best scientists and nutritionists in the world). It is so far beyond the idiotic and insulting simplification of calories in vs. calories out. Moreover, it is very individualized.

You should do a little research, particularly on insulin, insulin resistance, hyperinsulinemia, insulin's up-regulating effect of lipoprotein lipase on adipocytes (fat cells), and conversely, it's down-regulating effect of lipoprotein lipase on myocytes (muscle cells). In other words insulin is a fat-storing hormone, increasing fat storage, and decreasing it's availability to be used as energy for muscles.
 
Manic Mouse said:
No you aren't a medical doctor. If you were you would realise that hypertension is nearly always symptomless, and only gets symptomatic at malignant hypertension levels.

The fact you stated that "symptoms are what matters" when it comes to BP shows you most definitely aren't a medical doctor. Arn, who is a medical doctor, can back me up here.

You should be ashamed of yourself for spreading disinformation about health and pretending to be a doctor. In fact, one would wonder if that's illegal. Either that or you're a terrible, terrible doctor that doesn't even know basic facts about hypertension.

Source: I'm about to qualify as a doctor in June. (And if that isn't good enough here's what Wikidpedia has to say about it: "Hypertension is rarely accompanied by any symptoms, and its identification is usually through screening, or when seeking healthcare for an unrelated problem.")
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Good on you mate!!

To comment and spread lies about something as important as health just to have a dig should be illegal, perhaps you should be an adviser for Apple :D
 
While we all should be aware of our lipoprotein lipase on adipocytes and hypertensive condition, some of us should be extra mindful of their caffeine intake. Redbull? Just say, no!
 
Just an observation:

In olden days, being portly was a sign of prosperity. It meant you could afford extra food.

Now being fit is a symbol of success. The wealthy tend to be more fitness and health conscious.

Apple is a high end aspirational brand. This makes sense for the company to focus on a key concern of its core demographic.
 
Gigatel said:
But as a normal, healthy adult, I see this more as a novelty than anything. Measurements are all fine and dandy but what do I need them for? Just simple health tracking?? There's already a ton of things that do this.
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I think it's like saying "My house does not get broken it to because I live in a relatively safe neighborhood, therefore no security system need to be installed" I think, keeping an eye on your health, regardless of how healthy you are, it's not a bad thing.
 
JohnDoe98 said:
It has to do with sustainability. You will not sustain a caloric deficit over long periods and the minute you resume your prior consumption habits you will put all the weight back on, but the kicker is, since in caloric deficits you tend to lose significant amounts of lean body mass, when you end up reverting back to your initial weight, and you will, you will be worse off since you will have less lean body mass and more fat (since putting on muscle is extremely difficult).
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For me it was much(!) easier to loose weight with more exercise.

My BMI was 32. I started swimming. It was hard to swim for 5 minutes at the beginning, but I kept improving in small steps. When I was able to swim 30 minutes without a break, It started to be fun. Later I started inline speed skating, cycling and running.
It took about 3 years, but I reduced my BMI from 32 to 22. My resting heart rate went down from about 90 to 55, back pain and headaches I had frequently just faded away. Now I am able to run 15 miles with no problems.

Finally my weight stabilized, I have not gained any weight again over years. Even tough I eat quite a lot. I did not gain weight even on xmas.

But this is why such "gadgets" are questionable IMHO. Apple products may be convenient. But even Apple won't do the exercise for you. Your car does it for you- oh well, it does the exercise against you.

Christian
 
As someone that has had a lot of health issues over the last 7 years, I think this is going to be great.

I have sleep apnea (where you stop breathing in your sleep), and some experts think that up to 20% of people have it.
I just finished reading a book on sleep apnea written by a doctor that tried for 3 years to find out what was wrong with her. If you don't fit the male and overweight demographic, most doctors will assume it is something else and not send you for a sleep study.

For me, I had heart surgery 2 years ago and it was around that time I found out I have sleep apnea. Now I know it explains why I have been tired my whole life but didn't know why. To look at me you would have no idea as I skate/Surf/Snowboard etc.
My last words from my heart surgeon was, fix your sleep apnea or I will see you again.

So for some of the young guys on here that have said meh or similar, just be thankful that companies like Apple may help you find out you have a problem way before it becomes more serious.
 
The real benefit of this comes 3 to 6 months after you started wearing the iWatch. With statistics like these to show your doctor, diagnosing might be a little easier.
 
randyj said:
As someone that has had a lot of health issues over the last 7 years, I think this is going to be great.

I have sleep apnea (where you stop breathing in your sleep), and some experts think that up to 20% of people have it.
I just finished reading a book on sleep apnea written by a doctor that tried for 3 years to find out what was wrong with her. If you don't fit the male and overweight demographic, most doctors will assume it is something else and not send you for a sleep study.

For me, I had heart surgery 2 years ago and it was around that time I found out I have sleep apnea. Now I know it explains why I have been tired my whole life but didn't know why. To look at me you would have no idea as I skate/Surf/Snowboard etc.
My last words from my heart surgeon was, fix your sleep apnea or I will see you again.

So for some of the young guys on here that have said meh or similar, just be thankful that companies like Apple may help you find out you have a problem way before it becomes more serious.
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And this is where such products become very important.

The part the Doctor misses is datapoints on a patients condition when they are at home. He can only record a snapshot when the person is in his office and rely on patient explanation.

Sleep apnea is a very good example. All of its symptoms and conditions occur when you're asleep making it hard to know what's really going on. Having a device which records such events during your sleep is invaluable.

I had similar to you for a small period of time and it came down to a very high level of co2 in my apartment. Opening the bedroom door resolved this problem allowing air flow from the alternate rooms into the bedroom. I would have never of known this unless I had a Netatmo device to record the co2 levels at night.

I gave a lot of data to the doctor. My heart rate, blood pressure readings, humidity, room temperature, sound levels etc.

He used the sound readings to know when I awoke and went to the bathroom as sleep apnea had the carrying on effect that when you awake after not breathing you go to the bathroom.

Genius but a rather simple resolution once we had all the data. Without that data it would have been trial and error to find the cause and probably would have had to prescribe medication which wouldn't have helped in this case.
 
As someone who is doing a lot of training (triathlon) the iWatch probably will not be very interesting as a sports watch unless it has GPS, ANT+ (for connecting to speed, cadence and power sensors amongst other things) and is waterproof enough for swimming. It would also have to be able to log data without having the phone nearby (a no-go for swim sessions and races).

I'm currently using a Suunto Ambit 2S which, while not having as fancy looks or UI does all of the above and connects to an excellent Web app (Movescount) for tracking and analyzing the exercise sessions. It's not perfect and could look better but does what it needs to do with decent battery life.

The regulatory requirements for medical devices are pretty tough so it would be no surprise if Apple is having issues with the FDA, especially as a company that hasn't been into the medical business before.

I also suspect tracking things like HR from the wrist will not be easy. There is a reason most sports watches use a chest belt.
 
apple this ..apple that... but but... there are watches..there are smart watches.... why another "watch" ?

people just like to complain ...

if history repeats itself .. alike iphone or ipad... iwatch or what ever it is would be very interesting.
 
cliffak said:
As someone who is doing a lot of training (triathlon) the iWatch probably will not be very interesting as a sports watch unless it has GPS, ANT+ (for connecting to speed, cadence and power sensors amongst other things) and is waterproof enough for swimming. It would also have to be able to log data without having the phone nearby (a no-go for swim sessions and races).
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The iPhone supports Bluetooth smart and as far as I know it was the first smartphone to do so. BT smart in the iWatch can be taken for granted. It would be the only way to connect to current iPhones wirelessly with low power requirements. Bicycle sensors, heart rate belts and foot pads for BT smart are available and Polar has announced a bicycle power meter with BT-smart. It looks like BT smart is the future of sports sensors with Nike, Adidas and TomTom using it. Polar has announced new high end watches and bicycle computers with BT-smart. There is also a heart rate belt that doubles as ANT+ to BT-smart bridge, that could connect your expensive ANT+ power meter to the iWatch (in theory at least).

I'm currently using a Suunto Ambit 2S which, while not having as fancy looks or UI does all of the above and connects to an excellent Web app (Movescount) for tracking and analyzing the exercise sessions. It's not perfect and could look better but does what it needs to do with decent battery life.
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I use a similar product (Polar RCX5). But I don't think Apple will go that way. These are products for enthusiasts. It is not that kind of "convenience & life style" stuff that Apple makes.

I'd expect a pedometer and maybe run tracking using the GPS in the phone (+ maybe hr belt), but not a product tough enough for mountain climbing, diving, triathlon etc. The market for such products (that probably need to be thicker, heavier and more rugged than what we know from apple) is too limited.

Christian
 
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LukasValine said:
Oh boy, another app I can't delete. Newsstand, meet healthbook.
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So you don't read any of articles or care about your health. But you're bothered that you can't delete an app? They can easily be hidden. I would suggest seeing a Dr, quickly at that. :D
 
dragje said:
Add 40+ age category as well ^^
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Don't you understand what 30+ means? It means 30 plus which includes the 40s, 50s, 60s et al... :rolleyes:

In regards to this Healthbook, I don't understand how it'd get all sorts of info people are talking about unless the iWatch has a needle to inject for data collection? :confused:
 
Simplified Assistive Touch in iOS 8

What about your phone's health? It may seem off topic, but I got this idea on how to solve the broken-button problems people have. Apple seems to always add an Accessibility improvement in Settings with every major upgrade. VoiceOver, then Custom Gestures, then Guided Access, and now Switch Control with iOS 7. I want to see just one subtle update in iOS 8 in this field. Assistive Touch Specialization/Customization. I have learned over the past two days that having a broken lock button sucks, and its not that fun using Assistive Touch. But what if you can set Assistive touch to do nothing but the bare bones that you need? When you press the home button to wake your phone, you can instantly lock it by pressing the Assistive Touch button because you set it to only function as a Lock button and nothing else! Screenshots? Why go into subcategories in A.S. when you can just press the Home and A.S. button at once! The same goes for broken volume buttons; all A.S. would display is a subtle + and - thats always there for you. Even the Home button. It's practically self explanatory by now! We all need this!
 
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