Rumored 'iPad Pro' Dimensions and Features Again Seen in Renderings

[cocacolakid]

I've had a Samsung Note Pro 12.2" for a while now and find the only thing I'm using the iPad for anymore is to read books I've bought from the Apple Store. Otherwise just about everything on the Note Pro is a better experience.

I haven't used a Surface Pro to see how they are.

 

[cocacolakid]

Right, so I was trying to make the point that Apple wouldn't have a lot of financial motivation to release a hybrid. Because right now, if someone is in the market for a MacBook ($1000) and an iPad ($1000), they have to buy both (total $2000). If they release a hybrid ($1000), that person would be able to buy just the hybrid, and Apple would lose $1000.

I think the difference with the iPhone vs. iPod situation was that people first only had the option of an iPod. Then the iPhone was introduced which negated the need for an iPod. So someone who was in the market for an iPod ($1000), instead bought an iPhone ($1000). So either way, they spent $1000. They were never at any point going to buy two devices from Apple, like they do now with MacBooks and iPads.

So I believe Apple is going to make iPads (iOS) a supplement device dependent on a Mac (OS X) in order to keep selling both devices for as long as it can. I personally don't mind this as long as they do a good job extending the Mac's productivity into the iPad. So far, I think they could do a lot better. But if they do make major improvements, it will most likely only come in the way of beefing up iOS as opposed to OS X integration. Just my assessment of the situation.

The market changes and companies have to react. Apple has said before they're not worried about cannibalizing their own products. They want the sale, if they don't keep innovating they lose the sale.

 

[AppleScruff1]

Maybe they'll change the name to Apple Pad Pro. And have the Apple Pad Edition made from 18K gold and sell it for $19,000 so it matches the watch?

 

[cocacolakid]

Maybe they'll change the name to Apple Pad Pro. And have the Apple Pad Edition made from 18K gold and sell it for $19,000 so it matches the watch?

Now that fits in with their recent idiotic moves.

Some good points by people in this thread about iOS needing a revamp or major new features/apps to be able to sell anything as a Pro version. I'll be curious what Apple roles out.

 

[MikeSmoke]

Since getting an iPad mini retina, when I pick up my standard size iPad it just feels huge and too big. I can't see having an even larger model. It would have to have some really trumping features to be of any use. Like split screen multitasking with copy and paste between apps. Maybe there are some special use markets but I predict this will not be a very big seller.

 

[cwt1nospam]

"thoroughly debbunked"? lol

Yes, thoroughly. Of course when the claim is that doing something is impossible it only takes one example of it being done to thoroughly be debunked. All it takes is a trivial web search to find far more than one example of iPads and iPhones being used to create art, music, etc., that use "fine graphics work." Perhaps you should do a search for yourself.

 

[thepixelpusher]

It will NEVER run OS X. It will, however, probably run some enhanced version of iOS.

I think there is a case to made for having a tablet that can run OS X apps on it instead of iOS. Either give us a touch MacBook with a removable touch screen that talks to the base CPU/keyboard or give us the OS X/iOS Pro tablet. I'd throw away my Cintiq if Apple could manage to give us the ability to run Photoshop and Illustrator on a tablet with pressure sensitivity and a decent stylus.

I can't see why this is not an option Apple considers. Likely many businesses would love to have the choice to boot in either OS.

 

[the8thark]

An iPad Pro is about as likely to happen as a unicorn flying through my bedroom window. . . or that rumoured Apple television, also rumoured for years and still nothing.

 

[satchmo]

OMG that moron in the video again not gonna watch it next he will be telling you it bends when you sit on it.... Beating him to the punch no kidding its not a seat cushion

Yeah, I guess he's run out of money from this bend it videos.
He lost all credibility as a product reviewer by doing those and now needs a new angle.

 

[cwt1nospam]

I think there is a case to made for having a tablet that can run OS X apps on it instead of iOS.

There's always a case to be made, but that one has clearly been rejected by Apple and they're not about to change, especially while IOS is so successful. Perhaps in a few dozen years when it's not the most profitable mobile platform they'll consider it again.

I can't see why this is not an option Apple considers. Likely many businesses would love to have the choice to boot in either OS.

The day Apple starts rewriting their systems according to "business" is the day they become just another low margin, low quality PC maker. I hope that day doesn't come until after I'm gone.

 

[sracer]

There's always a case to be made, but that one has clearly been rejected by Apple and they're not about to change, especially while IOS is so successful. Perhaps in a few dozen years when it's not the most profitable mobile platform they'll consider it again.

There are some pretty creative and innovative applications available for iOS that don't exist for desktop OSes. (or at least are not accessible to the average consumer).

Considering how restricted iOS currently is, that's quite a feat. I'm hoping that an iOS-based iPad Pro will provide opportunities for those creative developers to push the larger envelope.

 

[Wiesenlooser]

For FIVE Years I just wanted an iPad with a wacom like stylus. Cant believe it took them so long.

 

[cwt1nospam]

There are some pretty creative and innovative applications available for iOS that don't exist for desktop OSes. (or at least are not accessible to the average consumer).

Considering how restricted iOS currently is, that's quite a feat. I'm hoping that an iOS-based iPad Pro will provide opportunities for those creative developers to push the larger envelope.

I'd say that those applications exist because of the "restrictions" in IOS. What you're seeing as a flaw is actually one of its greatest strengths. A curated (walled garden, if you like) system gives security to users and profitability to developers. Users can trust their devices, so users who are looking for quality flock to the system. Developers then have a lucrative market to sell into. Contrast this with other systems where revenue per user is low and what do you see? Lots of ripoffs, both of consumers (malware) and developers (apps pirated for profit).

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For FIVE Years I just wanted an iPad with a wacom like stylus. Cant believe it took them so long.

I think you'll be waiting a lot longer. There will be no stylus. Remember, no matter how many people you know who want this, you and they represent in infinitesimal minority.

 

[rowspaxe]

Yes, thoroughly. Of course when the claim is that doing something is impossible it only takes one example of it being done to thoroughly be debunked. All it takes is a trivial web search to find far more than one example of iPads and iPhones being used to create art, music, etc., that use "fine graphics work." Perhaps you should do a search for yourself.

Perhaps you could look at one of the many MR threads documenting the deficiencies of ipad ink tools. Or the many videos on you tube. Pen tools on the ipad suck--they are based on capacitative technologies that dont really get the job done. Most have figured this out and moved past the ipad to wacom or ntrig inking.

 

[thepixelpusher]

I can imagine it quite well...

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Now just imagine if you had an option to boot into the full OS X (or iOS) to use all the tools you need to do the job.

Hate to say it, but I think the Microsoft Surface Pro is somewhat getting it right for the pro level users that wants to be mobile.

The Surface Pro is not getting it right for the creative users that wants Photoshop and Illustrator on a tablet. Cintiq is the only real answer for that, but it's still tethered.

 

[thepixelpusher]

"It's going to happen eventually, but unlike other companies that compromise for one interface or the other, I think Apple OS will be smart enough to adapt on the fly and automatically switch modes of input."

MS' Windows 10 already incorporates a feature that does this; it's called Continuum. And it's also coming to Windows Phone later this year. To me personally, Continuum for WP10 was the coolest announcement at BUILD this year, even more so than HoloLens.

https://www.thurrott.com/mobile/windows-phone/3238/here-comes-continuum-for-phones

In addition to Hololens and Continuum Microsoft Windows 10 will work to support 3D printing. Apple will need to consider such things. The Apple Watch can only do so much for their bottom line. 3D printing is like the 2D printing they championed with the early Macs and desktop publishing. It's that important.

 

[cwt1nospam]

Perhaps you could look at one of the many MR threads...

No need. I'm sure there's a very vocal group that wants a stylus, and I'm equally sure it's too small a group for Apple to pay any attention to. They'll continue to leave it to third party developers because in terms of potential revenue it represents a much smaller market than (even at this early stage) the bands for the Apple watch.

 

[rowspaxe]

The Surface Pro is not getting it right for the creative users that wants Photoshop and Illustrator on a tablet. Cintiq is the only real answer for that, but it's still tethered.

why? those programs work on the surface pro 3.

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No need. I'm sure there's a very vocal group that wants a stylus, and I'm equally sure it's too small a group for Apple to pay any attention to. They'll continue to leave it to third party developers because in terms of potential revenue it represents a much smaller market than (even at this early stage) the bands for the Apple watch.

Its not the pen revenue--its the tablet-pen functionality. I cant see them releasing a pro version without a pen--just as I can never see them implementing pen for the ipad air. Time will tell.

 

[sracer]

I'd say that those applications exist because of the "restrictions" in IOS. What you're seeing as a flaw is actually one of its greatest strengths. A curated (walled garden, if you like) system gives security to users and profitability to developers. Users can trust their devices, so users who are looking for quality flock to the system. Developers then have a lucrative market to sell into. Contrast this with other systems where revenue per user is low and what do you see? Lots of ripoffs, both of consumers (malware) and developers (apps pirated for profit).

Very insightful and I agree except that I don't see the restricted nature of iOS as a flaw. But as with other things like ApplePay and Watch API's, there will be a need to expand iOS just a bit in support of an iPad Pro device... done with deliberate care.

 

[thepixelpusher]

why? those programs work on the surface pro 3.

The Surface Pro has issues of pen pressure and pen accuracy in those programs. There is no comparison of the Surface Pro vs the Cintiq for pro level accuracy and use. But, Microsoft may get there soon, but it's not there yet. I'm not saying you can't use a Surface Pro do do Photoshop/Illustrator, but if you earn a living doing it you're likely to get frustrated by the Surface Pro's lack of accuracy and hand/screen issues vs the Cintiq.

That's why I'd hoped Apple would do a Pro OS X iPad or detachable MacBook Pro screen. I know either of these will happen at some point, jut because the computer inside size of each is shrinking to the point that it would easily allow that option.

 

[thepixelpusher]

An iPad Pro is about as likely to happen as a unicorn flying through my bedroom window. . . or that rumoured Apple television, also rumoured for years and still nothing.

…or that rumored Apple Watch…wait!, that did happen!??

You might be surprised what we see in the next year.

 

[rowspaxe]

The Surface Pro has issues of pen pressure and pen accuracy in those programs. There is no comparison of the Surface Pro vs the Cintiq for pro level accuracy and use. But, Microsoft may get there soon, but it's not there yet. I'm not saying you can't use a Surface Pro do do Photoshop/Illustrator, but if you earn a living doing it you're likely to get frustrated by the Surface Pro's lack of accuracy and hand/screen issues vs the Cintiq.

That's why I'd hoped Apple would do a Pro OS X iPad or detachable MacBook Pro screen. I know either of these will happen at some point, jut because the computer inside size of each is shrinking to the point that it would easily allow that option.

i disagree. ntrig (surface 3) is more accurate than cintiq. there is no real pressure curve advantage, imo--google what that 2048 number really means. "hand/screen issues"? the surface has excellent palm rejection. I do feel the sp3 may be smallish for professional work

 

[I WAS the one]

I really want it. honest.

 

[twoodcc]

if it's operating system doesn't support better multitasking, there's not much reason to buy it

 

[imacalot]

iPad pro? lmao

Until I see a tablet that can replace a laptop, I wouldn't call it a pro. Pro means you can use professional software on it. I don't see tablets capable of running Final Cut/Motion/Adobe Premiere/After Effects any time soon. We are a few years away from that still.