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When it comes to work, I would only choose to use an iPad over a traditional computer if it gave me an actual advantage. After years of waiting, the iPad Pro finally does that.

Editing directly on the screen cuts my editing time down by a significant amount. This is possible because of Lightroom's Creative Cloud. Sitting at the shoot or a cafe with my iPad in my lap, swiping through photos in rapid succession using gestures to choose my selects and then directly manipulating sliders on the iPad to adjust settings beats sitting at my iMac doing the same with a mouse and keyboard. Most of the work can be done right in Lightroom for iOS and on occasion, I switch to Photoshop Fix for iOS to clean up an image that needs it and I use the Apple Pencil to get pixel point precision that I can't achieve on a computer without a Wacom tablet (sold mine).

So yes, I would and do use my iPad at big jobs. At all jobs. I haven't upgraded my MacBookPro (bought the iPad Pro instead) and it sits unused in its old laptop bag in the closet waiting for me to actually find a situation where I'd need it instead of the iPad Pro. I even use the iPad Pro when I'm home and the computer is right there. It's measurably better for my line of work.

Uploading and editing RAW photos works without lag on the iPad Pro but I do feel it pushing its limits because it warms up noticeably and I have just enough space (128GB) to upload and edit a big job before I get on WiFi and it offloads all the RAWs to the cloud.

So... once again, yes, bring on a more powerful iPad Pro. It's the future whether or not Mac traditionalists (I was an early Mac adopter) want it to be or not. The true measure of success in any field is one's ability to adapt to and take new technologies and methods to gain an edge over those who can't or won't.
Thanks for the feedback, good to know that people are utilising the power and upgrades will benefit them.

Have a good Christmas mate !!
 
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Unless there is something super cool, I'll be fine with my air 2. I get a new phone every 2 years but an iPad closer to 4.
 
A10X 10-nanometer low yields implies: Cannon Lake --> "Cannon Late".

Intel is not TSMC. Also, "10 nm" is almost meaningless description of a process node. Only thing it actually reflects that yes, they have improved pitch of the process. Otherwise, there are so many variables it's hard to follow for anyone.

Sadly the most intelligent consensus opinion on MacRumors seems to be that Cook must be sacked because he fails to harass semiconductor manufacturing physics to agree with MacRumors individuals' expectations. Getting to 10nm node is hard, and company whose focus for the near future is solely at that, Intel, is struggling at it. (I suspect "Intel 10nm" is way more elaborate than "TSMC 10nm", though.) I'm not surprised if TSMC has having it, too.

Talking of Apple moving to fab business... seriously, how many of people suggesting this have looked at the market? Fab market has been consolidating over years to the point there are only small handful of players left at this point, and many of them can barely keep up with their expenses. Research, development and process upgrade costs at this business increase on every process node, and for instance, Intel has to put tens of billions of money in before a process node becomes productive, and even then it's possible mostly because they produce several-thousand-dollar-a-pop Xeon CPUs to big businesses on their more mature process nodes. This is unlikely to be a sensible business sector for Apple.

Transition to 10nm node is hard and expensive. It has been in development in biggest semiconductor houses for at least a decade; there's no chance to improve its delivery at this point. Guess what? Next on the pipeline is 7nm node. It will be even harder and capital-intensive. Although it might not be out in the market this decade, R&D has definitely been going on for a while on those companies which want to be on the bandwagon. If physics and economical viabilities line up, 5nm node comes after it, which might well be the final commercially viable evolutionary silicon photolitographic process node.

Does it make any sense Apple to jump into semiconductor manufacturing? If you ask me, no. Is Apple to blame for not delivering higher-performance devices according to MacRumors' readers wishes? No, not really. Are semiconductor manufacturers to blame for slowing progress? Only to a small extent. The sad truth is that mass-manufacturing on smaller and smaller scales of atomic level are getting harder and harder, and we can't decide to break free of physics. There may well be a technology coming after silicon photolithographic industry, but there's none there yet, and we have to live with what we have. Like with pretty much all in the rest of normal life...
 
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if this is the case why is it a big deal? the current pro lineup are great devices and the best tablets out there. When it's ready it's ready.

Rather it be right than rushed through
 
Thanks for the feedback, good to know that people are utilising the power and upgrades will benefit them.

Have a good Christmas mate !!

This is my experience as well. I film and shoot on location in restaurants. In the old days, I'd head back to the office to find out I fluffed the shot or there was horrible background noise impacting he film. Now I sit in the restaurant where I shot (generally with a glass of wine!), clean up the photographs, smooth out the video, edit it up and the show close to final shots to the owners. If I made an error we can re-shoot or most of the time I can clean it up on the spot.

I can't remember the last time I brought in a laptop to a job, it's just not efficient for this type of work.
 
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Exactly, and those people do not need computer, and the iPad is perfect. It's the iPad Pro that is a solution to a problem that does not exist, it can be talked up all people want, it cannot replace a computer.

So using jobs analogy people keep referencing , iPad = car, PC = truck and iPad Pro might as well be a SUV... an over glorified car that kinda looks like a truck but is for all purposes useless as a truck. :)

The issue is that Apple chose to call the iPad Pro the iPad "Pro".

That term means different things to different people, but in the tech industry it is very specific.

Had they chosen to call it the iPad Art, iPad Plus, or just iPad there wouldn't have been such a fuss.

Apple is clearly NOT interested in building devices for the "pro" technology or enterprise markets anymore.

They want to act as if the iPad is one-size-fits-all tool, but what they're really doing is asking users to shoehorn a consumer product into pro settings. It works sometimes, but not always. However, they're only doing this on the marketing side and are not changing the software or hardware to enable this.

Funny thing is that Microsoft are doing the reverse; they're working on making "Pro" tools more consumer friendly by offering different hardware and modifying Windows to fit both industries.

They're closer to success than Apple here. The world is upside down!

Thanks, Tim.
 
The issue is that Apple chose to call the iPad Pro the iPad "Pro".

That term means different things to different people, but in the tech industry it is very specific.

Hardly. It's been nothing more than a marketing term in the tech industry for 30 years. That hasn't changed.
 
Hardly. It's been nothing more than a marketing term in the tech industry for 30 years. That hasn't changed.

Well, let's just say that "Pro" meant something different at Apple itself, only a few years ago.

Apple fans that are upset about this are upset for good reason. Neither the iPad "Pro" nor the new MBPs fit the expected mold set by Apple with its previous "pro" products (which were differentiated by their "consumer" counterparts.

In 2012 (with the Retina MBP) Apple started neutering their "pro" lines and incorporating more consumer-level "features" (soldering/sealing) than before. Even their actual Mac Pro didn't survive. So when they named the iPad "Pro", those of us that want actual pro features got excited for nothing.

But it's really our fault though. We should've known, given Apple's product trajectory.
 
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The issue is that Apple chose to call the iPad Pro the iPad "Pro".

That term means different things to different people, but in the tech industry it is very specific.

Tell me again why I ought to care a hoot about whether the "pro" branding conforms to whatever message the tech industry feels it ought to convey.

Or why I ought to be bothered about the tech industry raising a stink over this.

Apple is seeking to redefine and expand the definition of the "pro" term in its products. Perhaps it's time these people in the tech industry did too, rather than sit in one corner and wail away.
 
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Apple is seeking to redefine and expand the definition of the "pro" term in its products. Perhaps it's time these people in the tech industry did too, rather than sit in one corner and wail away.
yes, when it comes to the Mac Pro, Apple has redefined what it means to be a pro. That is why pros have abandoned Ship, with Apple not updated products in years. Who needs the latest and greatest - pros or consumers? What system is dead on the vine? You guessed it, the Mac Pro.

It's not Apple reimagining the term 'Pro', it's Apple abandoning the pro market, and convincing consumers that they are 'pro' for surfing the web, getting email and maybe opening up excel.

There are a lot of frayed nerves, because Apple is turning it's back on the one segment that stuck it out, when Apple was about to go under. Those seeking pro Apple hardware are not angry at consumer hardware, there is always a place for consumption/light production apple hardware. But why are YOU so angry at pros?
 
Except when we're using it for photo editing, word processing, coding (without compilers unfortunately), note taking, music editing, drawing, watching movies, etc.

I've just seen coding on an iPad once and that was as virtual white board with Apple Pencil.
 
yes, when it comes to the Mac Pro, Apple has redefined what it means to be a pro. That is why pros have abandoned Ship, with Apple not updated products in years. Who needs the latest and greatest - pros or consumers? What system is dead on the vine? You guessed it, the Mac Pro.

It's not Apple reimagining the term 'Pro', it's Apple abandoning the pro market, and convincing consumers that they are 'pro' for surfing the web, getting email and maybe opening up excel.

There are a lot of frayed nerves, because Apple is turning it's back on the one segment that stuck it out, when Apple was about to go under. Those seeking pro Apple hardware are not angry at consumer hardware, there is always a place for consumption/light production apple hardware. But why are YOU so angry at pros?

I am not angry at pros. Nor do I have any vendetta against them.

It's just that back then, macOS was the parent and iOS was the child. Today, iOS has grown up and is now the parent, and I view this as part of the natural order of things.

If the "pros" felt they deserve some seat as part of Apple's ruling elite in this new world order they no doubt helped bring about, then I am sorry to say they are sorely mistaken. The good soldier plays his part then steps aside once his role is done. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
does anyone really need a "faster" iPad? It's an internet reading device...

For you. You are not the standard by which all iPad users usage cases are judged.

For example: there's a thriving music creation community that uses mobile devices. The iPad is the number one product in the world of mobile music making. All the best mobile software is developed for iPad.
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No. If it can replace a computer, means you did not need a computer in the first place .

Well that's presumptuous. Most people don't need what the average computer can do. Most people need very little computer. That's why iOS devices have become so much more successful. They offer what most people TOLERATE and WANT out of computing, without the complexity and bulk of traditional computing.
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I am not angry at pros. Nor do I have any vendetta against them.

It's just that back then, macOS was the parent and iOS was the child. Today, iOS has grown up and is now the parent, and I view this as part of the natural order of things.

If the "pros" felt they deserve some seat as part of Apple's ruling elite in this new world order they no doubt helped bring about, then I am sorry to say they are sorely mistaken. The good soldier plays his part then steps aside once his role is done. Nothing more, nothing less.

I actually agree with this. The average computer shouldn't be the disaster of complexity that the industry made standard prior to iOS devices.

The thing is, we still need Apple to pay some serious attention to content creators.
 
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Well that's presumptuous. Most people don't need what the average computer can do. Most people need very little computer. That's why iOS devices have become so much more successful. They offer what most people TOLERATE and WANT out of computing, without the complexity and bulk of traditional computing.

It's not presumptios , it means before iPads people were forced to buy computers , even if they only needed them form very light tasks, tasks that the iPad does better and more convenient . This is exactly inline with jobs speech in relation cars and trucks .
 
It's not presumptios , it means before iPads people were forced to buy computers , even if they only needed them form very light tasks, tasks that the iPad does better and more convenient . This is exactly inline with jobs speech in relation cars and trucks .
Please let us know when Apple produces an F-150 or greater, all we've been getting are 70s El Caminos and Rancheros.
 
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Not all "pros" constantly stress their CPU's and GPU's all day. There are plenty of "pros" (i.e. who depend on their laptop for a significant portion of their livelihood) who require great battery life, great screens and keyboards - think lawyers, accountants, tech writers etc.
 
Not all "pros" constantly stress their CPU's and GPU's all day. There are plenty of "pros" (i.e. who depend on their laptop for a significant portion of their livelihood) who require great battery life, great screens and keyboards - think lawyers, accountants, tech writers etc.
MacBook? MacBook Air?
 
Tell me again why I ought to care a hoot about whether the "pro" branding conforms to whatever message the tech industry feels it ought to convey.

Or why I ought to be bothered about the tech industry raising a stink over this.

Apple is seeking to redefine and expand the definition of the "pro" term in its products. Perhaps it's time these people in the tech industry did too, rather than sit in one corner and wail away.

You shouldn't care or be bothered at all. No one is asking you to, either (unless you're Tim Cook in disguise). You like the iPad as is. That's cool.

Some of us want more features that used to be included in the admittedly broad "pro" designation.

I don't care what you, me, or Apple wants to call it.

I just want mouse support, filesystem access, and USB-C/TB3 on an iPad Pro.

I will wait for it a while, or buy something else.

Simple.
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I am not angry at pros. Nor do I have any vendetta against them.

It's just that back then, macOS was the parent and iOS was the child. Today, iOS has grown up and is now the parent, and I view this as part of the natural order of things.

If the "pros" felt they deserve some seat as part of Apple's ruling elite in this new world order they no doubt helped bring about, then I am sorry to say they are sorely mistaken. The good soldier plays his part then steps aside once his role is done. Nothing more, nothing less.

This is an interesting point of view.

I would like that to be true in the absolute sense, as in aside from Apple's focus on it for seemingly profit's sake.

I believe iOS is the future, but it still needs to do some growing up.

I see it as a scrappy teen able to join the military and fight but not mature enough to lead it.

Hopefully, Apple will put some balls behind it instead of spinning its wheels.

But the guy that would've done that is dead, and his replacement is (eye)ball-less.
 
You're machine does not get slower it just isn't as fasted the new processors. Give me an example of an application that's grown to the point of needing a faster processor?

G4 @ 733mhz with 2GB of RAM available on boot (PowerMac G4 QuickSilver / PowerBook G4 Titanium @ 533Mhz - both with FSB of 133Mhz). The test open Safari in Leoopard or Panther on either and open up Apple's home page. Heck open up Youtube main page. This is on 10/100 BaseT or Gigabit CAT5 connection that is uncontested with any other computing device in te same modem. Wait for the site to load then again tell me what application slows down ;)
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No. If it can replace a computer, means you did not need a computer in the first place . If you require a computer, an iPad Pro cannot replace it. I can use a screwdriver as a hammer, does not mean it's a adequate replacement :)
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Some people think a Hammer-Drill is more than adequate for some uses vs a drill or a hammer. Who'd have thought that would ever be needed or used.

Anyone can be snarky, that doesn't mean both for most cases can be useful by anyone. Applications are the tools used not simply the device. Long ago many thought the Perdonal Computer, then the deskopt vs the laptop would be the screwdriver being used to hammer the nail ;) I've seen both transitions to know this.
 
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