Perhaps, but what something costs Apple to build is pretty much independent from what Apple will charge for the product.
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Rumors Persist of New Apple TV With Stronger Gaming Focus, Updated Remote, and Faster Chip Next Year
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Probably March, but I doubt there will be a 1TB or more built-in. Currently I have 64GB AppleTV 4K devices at home and they're filled up with games, music, photos, a couple of films and streaming services to entertain the family. I can't say that I've ever seen a "disk full" message or something similar. The AppleTV devices do use my Mac mini server content caching function though.
Well, for one, the Apple TV has a very small market share. What's the point of creating a game that requires an M1 chip to run properly, which means that it will have problems running smoothly on even the latest iPhones and iPads?
You have to remember that Apple has over a billion iPhones, probably a few hundred million iPads, and maybe just a few tens of millions of Apple TVs in circulation? If not for Apple Arcade, most developers simply are not going to bother taking the time to properly optimise a game to run properly on the Apple TV. The customer base just isn't there.
So to answer your question, the reason why Apple isn't bothering with console gaming is because they already have a very powerful handheld gaming PC market - the iPhone. Compared to this, the Nintendo Switch market is small potatoes!
I agree. Apple's approach is a cloud based storage model where the games are small enough to be downloaded when needed, a very different approach than the dedicated game consoles. Sony, MS, even Steam all are appealing to gamers who want a much different gaming experience, thus large files that are stored locally, large amout of storage so multiple games can be stored along with disk based games. A gamer who is going to spend hours playing a game will wait for it to d/l because it is a one time deal. Apple is going for the more casual gamer and betting a large catalogue of cloud based games sold via subscription is the best way to do that; and avoids adding a bunch of RAM that would drive up the price of an ATV and limit its adoption since most of their base probably want it as a TV first and console second and would balk at a higher price point.
They coulod bring oout a high end console challeneger but unless it is widely adopted why woulkd a studio spend a lot of money developing console quality game ports for a tiny audience and few sales? I doubt many PS/XBox users would dump them for an ATV console.
Will it replicate all the buttons? I don't care about Siri but want the Home, Back, Pause and volume buttons to work.
This. My dachshund keeps pausing the channel every time she bumps the remote.
I’m finding the opposite. Nothing more annoying than my LG “smart” tv. Popping up dialogs to update software, terrible interface, apps that constantly need updating or are lacking features in the Apple TV version of the apps, support being dropped after 2 years, etc. Some TVs insert ads on the home screen, and some invade your privacy and send your viewing habits back to their servers. And am I supposed to replace the 65” OLED every couple of years to get support for new streaming services?
I did everything I could to disable every “smart” feature of the LG, including blocking it from communicating by internet, and it’s still not as good as a TV with no smart features at all.
Fair enough. I’m using a ~2018 LG TV and atv 3 and find myself using the smart TVs features apps often - Netflix and YouTube mostly. Not much interested in upgrading my atv at the moment.
Make it happen. I want to replace my 4th gen and this is what I am waiting for. Buying a 4k now at full price is odd, even more as I don't need the extra resolution. What I need is a newer faster chip to run arcade games.
This is a source of great annoyance for me as well when I use my TV. I find the software half-baked and frustrating. Thankfully my JVC projector is totally dumb - it just displays whatever is fed into it with no pop-ups.
If Apple is serious about Gaming on AppleTV it should have two versions a more expensive SSD Version with more storage and Tons of GPU Cores and a Lower Flash Storage Version with The next version of A series CPU.
No doubt. I waited in 2017 because 4K wasn’t compelling for me at the time; figured I‘d upgrade to whatever they released in 2019. Now, I’m wishing I had purchased in 2017, but no way I’m dropping the money now with these persistent rumors.
Hoping it is worth the insane (admittedly self-imposed) wait. 😂
128gig storage wont be enough for “console” quality games anything less than 512 gigs which was last generation console default 7 years ago would eliminate any “console quality” games those last gen console games were 25-75 gigs each game and they are getting closer to 100-150 gigs for one of the new “next gen” consoles even the nintendo switch ises 20-25 gigs per game on greatly reduced graphic version of last gen games. Sure 128 gigs for apple tv works if your just blowing up phone games but...thats not console quality
Like I said, "wireless audio sync" does not help here.
It my setup, the audio is separated from the HDMI, and sent to an amp and 5.1 speakers. After this, the video goes on to a 4k projector. The projector adds a significant delay to the video, probably due to some image processing it does. The “wireless audio sync” thing is blissfully unaware of the extra video delay, and assumes that the audio it hears is already synced up with the image.
The problem isnt even competing with the ps5 e isnt a single game that pushes the soc on my 1st gen ipad pro and the only “tablet only” games i see are ports of 20 year old games...everthing is still made for the iphone 7. id just be happy if they actually had stuff that pushed the ipad pro 4, make apple arcade more than iphone games without ads, also apple needs to acquire a few studios to make some apple arcade exclusives that the ipad pro and apple tv “next gen” can show off!
It'll be interesting to see where they go with it.
Google were DOA for a variety of reasons with Stadia, but it certainly didn't help that they launched without any exclusive games for it.
This rumour is suggesting that "Apple is planning to bring console-quality games to its Apple Arcade service" but let me just press X for doubt here.
And even if they do they will most likely mess it up. Apple don't really understand gaming and I don't see them to seriously challenge Switch, Xbox or PlayStation anytime soon, if ever, nor do I see them to allow/introduce a game streaming service. It's just not a plattform for anything more than casual or mobile gaming.
And even if they do they will most likely mess it up. Apple don't really understand gaming and I don't see them to seriously challenge Switch, Xbox or PlayStation anytime soon, if ever, nor do I see them to allow/introduce a game streaming service. It's just not a plattform for anything more than casual or mobile gaming.
The biggest issue with Stadia is you need to pay for the service and buy the games.
Another one of you in depth analysis posts.
That keyboard keeps being tricky for you, get it fixed.
I really wish there were more "dumb" TVs. No wifi nor apps. Just a few HDMI ports, maybe a coaxial cable plug for those with cable/antennas. Then let the customer add AppleTVs, BluRay players, or whatever they want. Same goes for BluRay players. Make them dumb. Just play BluRays/DVDs. Basically, do one thing very well, rather than a lot of things okay.
Why is it archaic, because it has actual buttons and you can easily tell if it's upside down or not just by holding it, without accidentally clicking/pushing something you didn't mean to? And unreliable how? I've had the same three Fire TV sticks for the last couple of years and all the remotes have been just fine and completely reliable, and I'm not always accidentally pressing buttons I don't mean to because the Fire TV remote's design doesn't value form over function. I have zero qualms with the performance of Fire TV. This is the Reality Distortion Field crap people always talk about when it comes to Apple... "Shiny and made-of-glass" does not automatically equal better.
No, I don't get much more from Apple TV. Fire TV has an Apple TV app so I can watch all of my purchased content, most modern TVs (like mine) have AirPlay built in, and I couldn't care less about controlling it with my phone. All of my 3rd Gen Apple TVs required constant restarts due to apps going bonkers, apps would frequently log me out for no reason and require me to re-logon using that godawful remote, and because of that I chose to go another route when the 4th gens came out. My Fire Sticks do not do any of that stuff. The apps on Fire Stick work smoothly, and the interface is quick.
Some people in this forum just seem to have an inherent, automatic prejudice towards anything not made by Apple, which is just silly. The Fire Stick is a good device. Again, I would love to be an all-Apple household just for consistency sake, but the Apple TV hardware is just not there yet. Maybe now that they've sunk so much money into the supporting Apple TV infrastructure, the hardware will catch up. If the next generation proves me wrong, I'll certainly jump on board, but at this point in my eyes it's still a "hobby" to Apple.
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The apple TV remote is easy to tell, by feel alone, what direction it is without actually pressing any buttons. That joke isn't funny because it's untrue. The Fire TV remote is archaic because it's buttons feel stiff and cumbersome to use. The lack of a trackpad makes scrolling through menu's laggy which, combined with the fact that the Fire is already slow and laggy just makes the whole thing feel like the original Tivo.
But the worst part is, because of the terrible buttons and lag you can't always tell if it even registered a response or if it's just a longer than normal delay. It often ignores inputs which forces one to develop a habit of over clicking and then back tracking to where you wanted to be.
I have many qualms about the fire TV devices, from the remote to the UX, to the blatant request that we should pay money for a device that will intrusively and subversively advertise more content that has to be paid for with ads and money.
And as bad as that is is a giant, tacky logo right on the front of it.
It's not that it's made of glass that makes it better. It's that, unlike the Fire and Roku devices, it was clearly designed by people who used the device as their primary method of watching content on their TV.
This is also your use case. Ive delt with firesticks for years. For family I always fix everything for everyone and ive never had good experiences with them and family. They have cluttered interfaces and you don't get anything like what you get with an appletv. But also that's MY use case. I use my phone for the remote, I use airplay every night to listen to things to sleep to. I cant do that with airplay on a Tv. If the tv is off can you use airplay? I have receivers in both rooms and its used daily. The quick controls on your phone are huge to me also because mine and your use case is completely different. I use HomeKit with everything in my home and use the appletv as a hub. But you get it. We have different use cases and I wouldn't ever want something I didn't get something else out of. Thats the reason I keep the Nvidia shield. It does things the appletv literally cant do.
I have bought for myself a bluetooth transmiter and reciever with the fast codec (aptx) for that purpose. I think it some Avantree thing. I use airplay for video, etc., but for games that works best. No noticable delay. Hdmi to projector. Audio out from projector to the bluetooth dongle. Other dongle to the amplifier. No wires needed.
I hope this helps you out
It certainly is incredibly doubtful, but who knows, maybe they'll surprise us?
Also there's no indication they'd even go the streaming route anyway, especially with what they've said in the past coupled with the potential power of this thing.
That's definitely the biggest reason it's not doing well, but I don't think it helps there's no exclusives to entice people over in the first place.
They seemingly rushed it out massively.