Russia Moves to Ban Telegram Encrypted Messaging Platform

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Russia appears to be following through on its threat last year to block access to the Telegram encrypted messaging platform.

    The BBC reports today that the Roskomnadzor media regulator has begun legal proceedings to block the app in the country, after Dubai-based Telegram refused to comply with requests that it hand over the encryption keys.

    Telegram was given a deadline of 4 April to hand over the keys, but the company has refused, explaining that the way the service is built means it has no access to them.
    Telegram's lawyer, Pavel Chikov, called the Russian attempt to block the app "groundless" and said the FSB's demand to access users' chat logs was "unconstitutional, baseless, which cannot be fulfilled technically and legally".

    Telegram had a legal challenge to the demand dismissed in a Moscow court in March, but the platform creator Pavel Durov has said Telegram, which is widely used in Russia, will not "give up" the private data of its users.

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  2. Kajje macrumors 6502a


    Dec 6, 2012
    Better stay with Whatsapp. Rumours are that company is quite easy when it comes to privacy...
  3. JosephAW macrumors 68000


    May 14, 2012
    Does this mean ВКонтакте (VKontakte) is next? I know that the VK app has been crippled because of Apple's TOS and we have to use Safari to get all the features.
  4. alex00100 macrumors 6502

    Mar 17, 2011
    Moscow, Russia
    VK is owned by the government and government-friendly oligarchs so they already have the access to any private information they want.
  5. CJM macrumors 65816


    May 7, 2005
    WhatsApp is owned by Facebook. At this point, it’s compromised. Just like Skype after it was bought by Microsoft. It’s hard to trust any commercially available software really. Governments develop and build their own CPUs, hardware and software if they want to communicate securely these days.
  6. rturner2 macrumors 6502a

    Jul 18, 2009
  7. Jacquesvw macrumors regular

    Sep 12, 2012
    Telegram is such an awesome app, I recently started programming my own bot in Python and it’s very useful.
  8. H3LL5P4WN macrumors 68000


    Jun 19, 2010
    Pittsburgh PA
    You spelled Signal wrong.
  9. WBRacing macrumors 6502a


    Nov 19, 2012
    Massive fan of Telegram. The Betamax of messaging services.
  10. Sasparilla macrumors 65816

    Jul 6, 2012
    There have been lots of questions when it comes to the crypto security of Telegram (for those that care):

    With regards to WhatsApp as CJM mentioned they're literally owned by Facebook now. While the messages themselves are encrypted and supposedly secure - all the connection information (who you messaged and when...the real important stuff) is stored by Facebook who will gladly hand that over to whatever government is asking (probably sell it as well).

    Signal seems to be a good secure messaging application without the issues Telegram is constantly flagged with.
  11. xero9 macrumors 6502a

    Nov 7, 2006
    I'd honestly rather Putin read my messages than the Zuck.

    Obviously, I'd rather no one, but if I had the pick..
  12. Jimmy James macrumors 601

    Jimmy James

    Oct 26, 2008
    First the People's Republic of China.
    Then the People's Republic of Russia.
    Next the Peoples Republic of the UK and USA.
  13. DaveTheRave macrumors 6502a

    May 22, 2003
    Signal is considered the gold standard in private communications.
  14. GermanSuplex macrumors 6502a


    Aug 26, 2009
    I’ve been hearing that a lot of people are saying Trump supports this. Lots of support, great support.
  15. PinkyMacGodess macrumors 601


    Mar 7, 2007
    Midwest America.
    That's 'Peoples Republic of trump', or more commonly known as trumpistan.
    --- Post Merged, Apr 6, 2018 ---
    He'll support anything that attacks the people at the bottom... Ironic he's the largest bottom feeder.
  16. Primejimbo macrumors 68040

    Aug 10, 2008
    I’ve been using the app more and more lately. I like Telegram only because I can have it on my iPad and iPhone at the same time, Signal won’t let you do this.
  17. windywalks macrumors 6502

    Mar 12, 2004
    He was missing the /s obviously.
  18. NT1440 macrumors G5


    May 18, 2008
    Keep in mind the US congress and intelligence services (including the FBI) have been staging a pr campaign for the last two years to force the exact same scenario (handing over encryption keys or building a way to circumvent encryption).

    I get Russia is the evil of the month, but take note of who speaks out against Russia’s demand and how seamlessly they’ll transition to backing the US version of this same policy.
  19. GermanSuplex macrumors 6502a


    Aug 26, 2009
    True, but with the FBI, it’s a little more transparent and probably won’t happen.

    I don’t agree with the FBI on that request, but with some other countries, there is no such process. Hopefully Putin doesn’t drag Trump down much farther...
  20. Oz. macrumors regular


    Jan 20, 2011
    I hope that Signal will get more popular in the future, if you want privacy Signal is the way to go. It has even a feature for problems like this, censorship circumvention...
  21. ksnell macrumors 6502a


    Aug 26, 2012
    Is there an issue with Signal privacy that I don't know about?
  22. timeconsumer macrumors 68000


    Aug 1, 2008
    I switched from Telegram to Signal because Telegram doesn’t default to end to end encryption for messages. You’d have to start a secret chat in order to do so. Plus there is a lot of uncertainty in their security. Signal is always end to end encryption and always recommended by the experts who know way more than I do about this.
  23. kstotlani macrumors 6502a

    Oct 27, 2006
    How does the app developer make money? Donations? Crowd funding?
  24. Swift macrumors 68000


    Feb 18, 2003
    Los Angeles
    Zuck isn't going to poison you or put polonium in your soup.
  25. GrumpyMom macrumors 604


    Sep 11, 2014
    No, but he's obsessed with connecting people. Which might include people who would, like that creepy stalker ex so many people complain about.

    I don't have any creepy stalker exes to worry about. But there was one creepy stalker coworker. I never dated him, though I think he thought I agreed to marry him and honeymoon on a moon of Jupiter because I once deigned to tell him to have a nice weekend. He seemed to think the same of two other ladies at work so I guess we would have been his harem. Gross. There goes my appetite for lunch.

    Anyway, there's been some weirdly clingy friends I don't mind leaving buried in the sands of time. But Zuck wants to make sure we can all find each other. Ewwwwww. Go away Zuck.

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