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ksnell

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That's 'Peoples Republic of trump', or more commonly known as trumpistan.
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He'll support anything that attacks the people at the bottom... Ironic he's the largest bottom feeder.

What does The President of the United States have to do with any of this?
 
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NT1440

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True, but with the FBI, it’s a little more transparent and probably won’t happen.

I don’t agree with the FBI on that request, but with some other countries, there is no such process. Hopefully Putin doesn’t drag Trump down much farther...
Are they that transparent? They were actively working with a vendor of an off the shelf solution for cracking iPhones at the exact time Comey was telling Congress that they had run through all options and therefore a backdoor of some type was needed. Then they recently claimed that the director of the FBI didn’t know about the work being done with the vendor. Come on.

Not to mention the agency’s history of the last 5 or so decades of actively spying on and trying to coerce activists, including MLK Jr. But hey, we can trust these guys with total surveillance, they’ve never abused that power against those fighting for a MORE democratic society.

Besides, transparency in undermining privacy *and the underpinnings of the economy* doesn’t mean anything. Just because I see a truck coming doesn’t make the damage any less severe when it hits me.

The old adage “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” has always been complete ********* when that friendly enemy has the authority of the state behind it.
 
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ksnell

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How does the app developer make money? Donations? Crowd funding?

Looks like it is grants and donation supported. No ads. Check the bottom of the link:

https://signal.org/
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I’ve been using the app more and more lately. I like Telegram only because I can have it on my iPad and iPhone at the same time, Signal won’t let you do this.

Why won't Signal work on both?
 

MacBH928

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interesting... Whatsapp says their messages are end-to-end encrypted but Russia does not seem upset about it
 

ignatius345

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Anyway, there's been some weirdly clingy friends I don't mind leaving buried in the sands of time. But Zuck wants to make sure we can all find each other. Ewwwwww. Go away Zuck.
Yeah, that horse has left the barn. Even if Facebook disappeared tomorrow, Google still exists.
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What does The President of the United States have to do with any of this?
The traitorous orange nutsack who got "elected" with Putin's help and lost the popular vote? Gee, I wonder.
 

CarlJ

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I like it, but that’s my only issue is that I can’t be on the iPhone and the iPad at the same time. I keep it on my iPhone. If I log into it on my iPad, it will kick me out of my iPhone.
I think with issue, in Signal's case, is not "we can't figure out how to make this work", but rather, an intentional design feature. They don't want the possibility of any other devices being able to see a conversation, besides the two that are currently involved in the conversation. Because that would open a potential door for Bad Actors.
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interesting... Whatsapp says their messages are end-to-end encrypted but Russia does not seem upset about it
Could be that Whatsapp is next, could be a sign that they have some sort of backdoor access to Whatsapp, or could be a sign that they people they care about listening in to mostly are using Telegram instead of Whatsapp.
 

Primejimbo

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I think with issue, in Signal's case, is not "we can't figure out how to make this work", but rather, an intentional design feature. They don't want the possibility of any other devices being able to see a conversation, besides the two that are currently involved in the conversation. Because that would open a potential door for Bad Actors.

But I have it on my MacBook and my Linux computer...

https://support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/213240927-Can-I-use-multiple-devices-
You might like this. I still don’t trust WhatsApp due to Facebook though.

https://signal.org/blog/there-is-no-whatsapp-backdoor/
 
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fairuz

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interesting... Whatsapp says their messages are end-to-end encrypted but Russia does not seem upset about it
It doesn't matter because you don't know what the ends are. They could be running a man-in-the-middle attack between you and the other person, and you wouldn't know unless you checked the public keys manually and made sure the client wasn't fudging it in some other way.

WhatsApp is closed source, so it's tough to verify any security claims about it. Telegram is open source but is known to use shockingly bad encryption (or was last time I heard), and most wouldn't check the public keys anyway.
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Strange. I like that it is cross platform unlike iMessage. Might have to give it a try.
I like that it at least gets the messages in order, unlike iMessage :p
Hey, might be a reason to trust Apple. It looks like Apple is doing some pure end-to-end client setup for it, which would introduce the difficulties with syncing, message order, and group chats that I've seen evidence of through bugs.
 
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ksnell

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Yeah, that horse has left the barn. Even if Facebook disappeared tomorrow, Google still exists.
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The traitorous orange nutsack who got "elected" with Putin's help and lost the popular vote? Gee, I wonder.

Lots of name calling. I still don't understand the connection here to this article.

Would it be beating a dead horse if we went through the electoral college process again? Everyone in the nation should understand it by now. And can you explain what traitorous acts have taken place? The President would have long since been brought up on impeachment proceedings if this were the case, the Democratic party would be sure of that.
 
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JosephAW

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Apple needs hell to freeze over again and release iMessage for android. Heck why not iOS 11 for android devices.
 

stylinexpat

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I am not a fan of Telegram as it does not work if you do not grant it access to your contacts list. No chat app should require access to your contacts list to function or work properly. The Chinese developed WeChat and with WeChat you can create a user ID. You can add and message people via WeChat ID. Your WeChat ID is your user ID.

Not sure how any company that boasts itself as a company who cares about your privacy creates an app that will not function unless you give it full access to your contacts list. Only an idiot would believe that. Like Facebook telling you that all their messages are safe and secure
 

5105973

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Yeah, that horse has left the barn. Even if Facebook disappeared tomorrow, Google still exists.
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The traitorous orange nutsack who got "elected" with Putin's help and lost the popular vote? Gee, I wonder.
Sometimes someone comes out with a phrase that rattles around and around in one’s mind at the weirdest times, like when waking up at 3:00 am to get a drink of water or go to the bathroom

“Traitorous Orange Nutsack” is one of those phrases. You need to trademark this. I think someone will be using it as a name for their garage band.
 
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DeepIn2U

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Zuck isn't going to poison you or put polonium in your soup.

No instead he’ll have an interview with a coke and a smile apologizing band spitting excuses that take years to fix their security ... all while milking your children’s photos age location from pictures and FB posts. He may not poison you physically but he’s already done so to you mentally and selling your children’s location for any few paid ... I’d rather BE poisoned than have ANY child’s privacy or their parents concerns at risk and debated over with BS and PR spin tactics. He’s worse than a D!
 
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LincolnsiPod

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Has anyone ever heard of Status.im? It's largely tailored for cryptocurrency exchanges but it also seems to function as a private messaging app too.
 

ksnell

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If it involves Russia, it'll either be mimicked here, or 'trumped' here. Putin wags that dog like a rag doll. And all trump needs is a good belly rub.

He is owned by Russia. There is $120 million dollars waiting for trump to use to investigate Russian hacking in our elections. Not a single penny has been spent by the White House on that. Not one. And Cambridge Analytica and John Bolton are up to the tops of their hairs on their head in 'links' with Russia, INCLUDING working with the NRA and Russian oligarchs to effectively 'launder' money for the GOP and the trump campaign.

trump was 'installed' by the .01% of this country, and they were able, with Cambridge Analytica, the Koch's, Fox News, and so many others, to delude, lie, and inflame people who think the WWE, and 'chemtrails' are real.

The trade wars trump will start will only slaughter his base. Just like the GOP tax cuts. Crowing that someone got $1.50 a week in the trump tax cuts was embarrassing, and damned near criminal confession of malfeasance.

Tired of winning? I'm tired of corporate America and the .1% winning every stinking time.

Also, GW Bush wanted so badly to kill ALL encryption for email, and any messaging apps. They wanted to outlaw ANY 'hard encryption', no matter who or what did it. Somehow those bills were killed, and OUR ability to be private from our government was upheld. In this poop storm circus, they actually might be able to kill hard encryption. EVERYONE should keep an eye on this, even though it involves Russia. Putin declares war on encryption, trump will follow. It doesn't matter if Telegram has balky encryption, and the app sucks. trump has proven that he will act on outright lies, just to look, to his base, like he is doing something.

This COULD spell the end of civilian encryption. Seriously...

It's all about 'optics'. How he looks to his 'base'. The people that could actually think that the tray for CD's in a PC, really are a cup holder.

Let's face it - neither political party is a great protector of privacy, beyond certain individuals like Rand Paul.

As for your other comments, God bless you and your tin foil hat theories. Let's just wait for the investigation to conclude and then we can all move on, but by then I am guessing you will be finding something else to complain about, or some other cross-section of America to bash. So much for being an open and considerate party pressing for diversity in all aspects of our lives.
 

juanm

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The world is so small. ВКонтaкте was founded by the same Pavel Durov who is the owner of Telegram.
Yes. But the way you say it makes it sound he’s in bed with the Kremlin. The reality is that he was ousted from VK to be replaced by Putin’s boys in order for the government to keep complete control over it.
 
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