If you weren't running the betas, you haven't been on the new safari long enough to be sure it is bad. Give it a longer look.
I have safari 15.1, it is badIf you weren't running the betas, you haven't been on the new safari long enough to be sure it is bad. Give it a longer look.
How long have you been using it?I have safari 15.1, it is bad
enough, even now it happens that I open two tabs, after a while that I have finished reading one tab I want to close it and I close the other, or sometimes I want to close the other one and instead I close the one I am inHow long have you been using it?
Dear ponzicoinbroDear John Gruber
There’s no ambiguity about which tab is active in Safari 15. It’s got a different highlight around it and it is IN FRONT.
Also
I have a bloody fricken brain and my memory tells me which was the last bloody fricken tab that I was using.
If I can remember many things 40 years ago I can bloody fricken remember which tab I was using 10 seconds ago.
If you use the Compact Mode, this problem doesn't manifest. The active tab is indicated not by color but rather by size and content in Compact Mode.I agree. I am using the compact tab view and color is shown in the tab bar. I never had an issue immediately identifying which tab is the active one. Not a single time. I love the new design but I also want Apple to fix some bugs and behaviors:
- Opening links in new tab does not always work.
- Pages do get refreshed a lot and this shouldn't be the case on my MacBook Pro and my iMac. They both have enough RAM to deal with open tabs.
- There is no option to always assign specific websites to a tab group
The problem isn't when you have a bunch of tabs open. Read the original article again more closely. It's specifically when you have 2 tabs open, because then you don't have any clear visual indicator of which one is active. If you go back through this thread you can find several screenshots illustrating the problem very clearly.I’m sorry I can’t see what you’re all talking about it’s bloody obvious which tab is active it’s the one that’s darker than all the others. Perhaps someone can explain to me how one dark tab is so hard to see?
Say what? I'm using a Magic Trackpad, and Natural scrolling feels very natural. Yes, I used to use the opposite scrolling, long ago. I switched. Natural scrolling felt very odd at first. Once I got used to it, it feels a lot better. To me, it's the most intuitive way to interact with the Mac's "mouse" cursor (not just scrolling, but all the gestures), and the Magic Trackpad puts a keyboard on par with the experience on a MacBook Pro's keyboard and trackpad. Aside from Windows compatibility, your argument sounds very much like someone who hasn't really gotten through the process of switching over and is rejecting it as feeling foreign. Yes, I get considerable say in the hardware I use in my work - I specifically requested a Magic Trackpad. If you're stuck having to constantly switch between Mac and Windows, sorry, that sucks.'Natural scrolling' emulates you actually touching something, picking it up, and physically moving it along. You don't do that with a mouse or trackpad. Because there is a physical disconnect between where you scroll and where you look at.
If only there was an x in one of the tabs that was big enough to see and instantly visually distinctive enough from the icons next to all the other tabs.Here’s a thought….the active tab is the one with a damn X on it.
The compact mode had another issue, if u are in the last page the back arrow disappear, so if u go back all buttons moves 🤣 I hate it. Why in compact mode it disappear and in traditional no 🤪If you use the Compact Mode, this problem doesn't manifest. The active tab is indicated not by color but rather by size and content in Compact Mode.
It's in the "traditional mode" where this problem manifests.
another problem is that if I have two tabs, the active one does not have the favicon but the x, so the inactive one is even more evident
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it's the opposite contrast of the tab bar/header color.Indeed my point - which one is it? The light or the dark? In two tab only, none stands out, both are different, the active is either light or dark. And it does not stand out because there is no third tab to compare to.
Yeah, x replacing favicon is a crappy workaround that wasn't there 2 betas ago. I'm sure Safari developers are aware of the selected tab ambiguity and are trying to find the solution but this isn't it.Seriously counter intuitive.
Like going to a US car dealer and the model you want comes in right hand drive version only. Usable but why?
I still fail to see what problem Apple was solving ...
compact bar has contrast if color is also selected. there is no contrast with the compact bar when no color is selected. I feel like that is a bug.The "active tab" in Compact Mode does not use a color differentiation generally. It relies on showing the url, and being wider, and having additional icons (like the "lock" and the "more options" circle).
You are correct. The examples I showed were with the "color pickup" disabled, for consistency.compact bar has contrast if color is also selected. there is no contrast with the compact bar when no color is selected. I feel like that is a bug.
yep. but the no contrast with the compact bar feels like a bug because the other 3 combinations of compact/separate & color/no color have contrast.You are correct. The examples I showed were with the "color pickup" disabled, for consistency.
I agree with you 100%. This is one reason why I prefer "color mode" in Compact Mode. It actually improves usability somewhat.yep. but the no contrast with the compact bar feels like a bug because the other 3 combinations of compact/separate & color/no color have contrast.
In other words I don't think they are going to rely purely on the tab being longer and having the website name and lock symbol and no favcon etc.
I don't like color mode, main reason being that they're throwing out the light/dark mode design out the window. Look at this picture:I agree with you 100%. This is one reason why I prefer "color mode" in Compact Mode. It actually improves usability somewhat.
Just a nice little bit of punch in there:
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This is one more indicator that they probably created the entire UX/UI spec assuming all their new features would be activated, and as soon as they're not, things fall apart a bit.
That's a pretty good point, but maybe they're trying to plan ahead for when websites will most commonly all support dark mode themselves? I know a few already do, but maybe they're hoping it'll become the standard in time? Or maybe they're just thinking that if a website is already not dark, and is using bright colors, why not go all the way with it? I dunno. It's really hard to understand what their long-term vision is here.I don't like color mode, main reason being that they're throwing out the light/dark mode design out the window. Look at this picture:
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Dark mode enabled and we have light menu bar, red window, and dark dock. What is the purpose of light and dark modes if they keep getting carried away with colors.
Thanks! I found it finally, but it is very inconvenient, bcoz I use trackpad with my right hand generally, and a bit far for dragging a link to “+” sometimes.Now you have to drop the link on the "+" icon. you can't drop it between other tabs.
I’m surprised you define him that way while saying you have no personal feelings involved in your definition on him.When you got John Gruber (who defends Apple 24/7) agreeing with you, you’ll know Apple has messed up [—] I have nothing personal against him but he defends Apple like it’s no tomorrow.