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If you weren't running the betas, you haven't been on the new safari long enough to be sure it is bad. Give it a longer look.
 
Dear John Gruber

There’s no ambiguity about which tab is active in Safari 15. It’s got a different highlight around it and it is IN FRONT.

Also

I have a bloody fricken brain and my memory tells me which was the last bloody fricken tab that I was using.

If I can remember many things 40 years ago I can bloody fricken remember which tab I was using 10 seconds ago.
Dear ponzicoinbro

Which tab has the "different highlight" in the specific case he describes where there are only 2 tabs open? Did you read the article at all?

Also

If you walk away from your computer and come back hours later, can you still remember the last bloody fricken tab you were using? And if you can, do you really think that's the way UIs should be designed? To require that you memorize their state? Perhaps we shouldn't use highlights at all, and just let you remember what you had selected?
 
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I agree. I am using the compact tab view and color is shown in the tab bar. I never had an issue immediately identifying which tab is the active one. Not a single time. I love the new design but I also want Apple to fix some bugs and behaviors:
  • Opening links in new tab does not always work.
  • Pages do get refreshed a lot and this shouldn't be the case on my MacBook Pro and my iMac. They both have enough RAM to deal with open tabs.
  • There is no option to always assign specific websites to a tab group
If you use the Compact Mode, this problem doesn't manifest. The active tab is indicated not by color but rather by size and content in Compact Mode.

It's in the "traditional mode" where this problem manifests.
 
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I’m sorry I can’t see what you’re all talking about it’s bloody obvious which tab is active it’s the one that’s darker than all the others. Perhaps someone can explain to me how one dark tab is so hard to see?
The problem isn't when you have a bunch of tabs open. Read the original article again more closely. It's specifically when you have 2 tabs open, because then you don't have any clear visual indicator of which one is active. If you go back through this thread you can find several screenshots illustrating the problem very clearly.
 
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'Natural scrolling' emulates you actually touching something, picking it up, and physically moving it along. You don't do that with a mouse or trackpad. Because there is a physical disconnect between where you scroll and where you look at.
Say what? I'm using a Magic Trackpad, and Natural scrolling feels very natural. Yes, I used to use the opposite scrolling, long ago. I switched. Natural scrolling felt very odd at first. Once I got used to it, it feels a lot better. To me, it's the most intuitive way to interact with the Mac's "mouse" cursor (not just scrolling, but all the gestures), and the Magic Trackpad puts a keyboard on par with the experience on a MacBook Pro's keyboard and trackpad. Aside from Windows compatibility, your argument sounds very much like someone who hasn't really gotten through the process of switching over and is rejecting it as feeling foreign. Yes, I get considerable say in the hardware I use in my work - I specifically requested a Magic Trackpad. If you're stuck having to constantly switch between Mac and Windows, sorry, that sucks.
 
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If you use the Compact Mode, this problem doesn't manifest. The active tab is indicated not by color but rather by size and content in Compact Mode.

It's in the "traditional mode" where this problem manifests.
The compact mode had another issue, if u are in the last page the back arrow disappear, so if u go back all buttons moves 🤣 I hate it. Why in compact mode it disappear and in traditional no 🤪

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another problem is that if I have two tabs, the active one does not have the favicon but the x, so the inactive one is even more evident

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Seriously counter intuitive.
Like going to a US car dealer and the model you want comes in right hand drive version only. Usable but why?
I still fail to see what problem Apple was solving ...
 
Indeed my point - which one is it? The light or the dark? In two tab only, none stands out, both are different, the active is either light or dark. And it does not stand out because there is no third tab to compare to.
it's the opposite contrast of the tab bar/header color.
 
One of the other posters here (I'm sorry, I can't remember who it was) hit on this, and I think they nailed it 100%. I did some messing around with it, and I am now pretty confident what went wrong here. The short version: Apple did all their UI and UX design for this version of Safari based on the existence of Compact Mode. When they added the ability to view tabs "traditionally", they did not update the UI and UX to account for this. They simply re-used the design they already had, which is a poor fit.

To dig into this a bit, first you need to understand the idea of "hover states". In CSS, this is expressed with ":hover" but nearly every UI system has some notion of it. It's the way a clickable element changes its appearance when you move the mouse over it to indicate that it can be clicked.

If you switch your browser into Compact Mode and hover over a tab, notice how it visually changes. Let's call this "hover state". Look what it does: It changes the contrast to be more accentuated against the background, with less contrast for the text (because your mouse is there). This works well because you are actively looking at the mouse, and at that component. The change in contrast catches your eye, and signals to you that you can click.

The "active tab" in Compact Mode does not use a color differentiation generally. It relies on showing the url, and being wider, and having additional icons (like the "lock" icon and the "more options" circle). Here is an example of what this looks like. In this view, my mouse is actively hovering over the tab that starts with "Record" (but the mouse is not shown in the screenshot).

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This works really great because as I move my mouse rapidly around the tabs, they change into "hover state" which keeps telling me what would react if I clicked.

Now, let's look at the same tabs in Separate Mode.
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In this view, I am again hovering over the tab that starts with "Record". The one on the far right is "Active". Notice that both of them are in "hover state". (Okay, not precisely. The hover one is #bcbbbb and the active one is #b6b5b5 but honestly that's so subtle it's barely worth mentioning.)

I believe this reveals the essence of what happened here. Apple simply kept that same exact styling that they developed for Compact Mode and applied it to Separate Mode. The problem is that the use of a "hover state" to indicate "active state" doesn't make much sense from a UX standpoint, because "hover state" assumes you're looking at the content. This is why the text contrast is reduced. That also explains why the "close icon [x]" appears; when you are hovering over content, your mouse is very nearby, so it makes sense to reveal actions you can take on that content.

You can see similar behavior when you mouse over the active tab in Compact Mode; Additional buttons reveal themselves only at that moment.

In summary, this is a simple (and clear) case of building a well-thought-out UX and UI spec, and then applying it to an interface that it was not designed for. That is why it appears to be shockingly substandard. I think Apple *can* fix this, but it is going to require that they create some amount of visual design language difference between Compact Mode and Separate Mode. The two cannot simply use the same spec.

EDIT: The user that originally clued me in on this was @mazz0 in this post: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ign-is-counterintuitive.2315360/post-30394675
 
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Seriously counter intuitive.
Like going to a US car dealer and the model you want comes in right hand drive version only. Usable but why?
I still fail to see what problem Apple was solving ...
Yeah, x replacing favicon is a crappy workaround that wasn't there 2 betas ago. I'm sure Safari developers are aware of the selected tab ambiguity and are trying to find the solution but this isn't it.
 
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The "active tab" in Compact Mode does not use a color differentiation generally. It relies on showing the url, and being wider, and having additional icons (like the "lock" and the "more options" circle).
compact bar has contrast if color is also selected. there is no contrast with the compact bar when no color is selected. I feel like that is a bug.
 
You are correct. The examples I showed were with the "color pickup" disabled, for consistency.
yep. but the no contrast with the compact bar feels like a bug because the other 3 combinations of compact/separate & color/no color have contrast.

In other words I don't think they are going to rely purely on the tab being longer and having the website name and lock symbol and no favcon etc.
 
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yep. but the no contrast with the compact bar feels like a bug because the other 3 combinations of compact/separate & color/no color have contrast.

In other words I don't think they are going to rely purely on the tab being longer and having the website name and lock symbol and no favcon etc.
I agree with you 100%. This is one reason why I prefer "color mode" in Compact Mode. It actually improves usability somewhat.

Just a nice little bit of punch in there:
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This is one more indicator that they probably created the entire UX/UI spec assuming all their new features would be activated, and as soon as they're not, things fall apart a bit.
 
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I agree with you 100%. This is one reason why I prefer "color mode" in Compact Mode. It actually improves usability somewhat.

Just a nice little bit of punch in there:
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This is one more indicator that they probably created the entire UX/UI spec assuming all their new features would be activated, and as soon as they're not, things fall apart a bit.
I don't like color mode, main reason being that they're throwing out the light/dark mode design out the window. Look at this picture:
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Dark mode enabled and we have light menu bar, red window, and dark dock. What is the purpose of light and dark modes if they keep getting carried away with colors.
 
I don't like color mode, main reason being that they're throwing out the light/dark mode design out the window. Look at this picture:
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Dark mode enabled and we have light menu bar, red window, and dark dock. What is the purpose of light and dark modes if they keep getting carried away with colors.
That's a pretty good point, but maybe they're trying to plan ahead for when websites will most commonly all support dark mode themselves? I know a few already do, but maybe they're hoping it'll become the standard in time? Or maybe they're just thinking that if a website is already not dark, and is using bright colors, why not go all the way with it? I dunno. It's really hard to understand what their long-term vision is here.
 
When you got John Gruber (who defends Apple 24/7) agreeing with you, you’ll know Apple has messed up [—] I have nothing personal against him but he defends Apple like it’s no tomorrow.
I’m surprised you define him that way while saying you have no personal feelings involved in your definition on him.

I’m finding the opposite: he’s so often having exceptionally throughout arguments on Apple issues. You can disagree with his rationale, but it’s not true his rationale would be based on “defending Apple like it’s no tomorrow”.
 
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I am glad, I always have a lot of tabs open, so the active one is the largest ;)

What really annoys me is Safari on my iPad. The "x" to close the tab is in the tob right corner, not top left as e.g. the buttons in windows in macOS or the "x" in tabs on Safari on macOS.

I am pretty sure, that this has changed with iPadOS 15, as my muscle memory always makes me press the upper left corner...
 
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