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Safari 15 Users Say New Tab Design is Counterintuitive
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On the mac at least, I don't get tab groups at all.
You spend time setting up tab groups, if you close any, add any, change the website on any, the entire tab group changes. What's the point?
You spend time setting up tab groups, if you close any, add any, change the website on any, the entire tab group changes. What's the point?
i thought i saw that on Catalina last week and rebooted, zapped the pram, thinking that was a mistake.
then i eventually returned to Mojave, were safari is old and good.
I would argue that Apple no longer employs designers. They employ stylists.
The active tab is the contrasting one, the rest kinda blend in. Seemed pretty straight forward to me. If it's too difficult to tell, try dark mode 🤷♂️
You guys are bad mouthing a design from the company that gave us the current airplay interface, where speaker buttons literally move around as you're trying to click them. And where if you click the space that was once a button, you get a 15 second penalty as airplay turns off and then you get to start over again. That's to say, does anyone expect anything but demonstrably bad design from apple these days?
It's weird because the old days of Mac, it used to be come for the hardware and get the software. Now its the software that keeps you in the ecosystem. But with the hardware sucking compared to the true innovation out there, the software needs to shine. When the software breaks down and then hardware is less than stellar eventually people will look elsewhere. They need to have people that actually use the products QA it and they need to push the bounds on the hardware.
The very first thing that I was taught in university about UI design is that there is no way to make a UI that is universally understood because of the variety of experiences and backgrounds that users have. We all come at the world through different paths and though we tend to feel that we all think in similar ways, our thoughts and internal processing vary widely.
So, UI designers try to find a happy medium where most users will understand what they should do rather naturally, but there will always be a significant minority that will need to be educated and will need to adapt to the UI. It’s just the nature of people and UI design. Even a simple green button to indicate how to start a machine or process isn’t meaningful to everyone. Consider people that don’t drive. Green is just another color to them. Consider people that are colorblind. They might not be able to discern which button is green and be unable to start the system.
I too was a little confused at first with the new tab layout, but have adjusted to it so I can live with it.
The last thing that I’ll offer is that if you never fail, you’re not actually trying! The designers don’t always get it right, but at least they are attempting to find better ways of doing things. Think of the original iPhone and how many UI paradigms that it shattered and how many new and intuitive elements it introduced. Something to think about.
So, UI designers try to find a happy medium where most users will understand what they should do rather naturally, but there will always be a significant minority that will need to be educated and will need to adapt to the UI. It’s just the nature of people and UI design. Even a simple green button to indicate how to start a machine or process isn’t meaningful to everyone. Consider people that don’t drive. Green is just another color to them. Consider people that are colorblind. They might not be able to discern which button is green and be unable to start the system.
I too was a little confused at first with the new tab layout, but have adjusted to it so I can live with it.
The last thing that I’ll offer is that if you never fail, you’re not actually trying! The designers don’t always get it right, but at least they are attempting to find better ways of doing things. Think of the original iPhone and how many UI paradigms that it shattered and how many new and intuitive elements it introduced. Something to think about.
Reminds me of the WTA website, have a look at the link below, you would think that her singles ranking was 22, but it's actually her doubles ranking. You can click on the words Singles or Doubles to toggle. Very poor design.
www.wtatennis.com
Samantha Stosur | Player Stats & More – WTA Official
Get the latest Player Stats on Samantha Stosur including her videos, highlights, and more at the official Women's Tennis Association website.
I'm definitely missing something.
My active tab is the one that pops. The active tab has significantly more contrast between its tab title and background than the background tabs do. I've played with the Safari "Tabs" settings and can't duplicate what everyone else is seeing.
My active tab is the one that pops. The active tab has significantly more contrast between its tab title and background than the background tabs do. I've played with the Safari "Tabs" settings and can't duplicate what everyone else is seeing.
I would be more than happy to skip this update. But. Like so many others, I've been waiting for six years to get a proper MBP, bundled with Safari 15 for sure. 
Problem happened when Jony Ive became in charge of Software UI beginning with iOS 7. Greg Christie, who was then head of Software UI, ended up leaving along with quite a few other UI designers. A lot of those guys were replaced with graphic designers from the Marketing team. Alan Dye, who is current of Head of UI design, has a background in graphic design, not UI design. This is the problem. Graphic designers rarely make great UI designers.
It's not exactly indicative of poor designers so much as a clear decision maker at the top who has final say. A lot of things feels very "design by committee" so it becomes a mishmash of different design ideas.