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thats not a valid argument regarding this problem, this has nothing to do with saving space. there are anther ~7 buttons you can drag to toolbar, if space is a problem, why give users that options at all?

Not to mention that I just don't believe anybody can use "report a bug" button more frequently than "new tab" button.

It's a completely valid argument, you've just misunderstood it. My argument isn't that there isn't enough screen space for more buttons, it's that if you put too many on there, especially buttons that most people will very seldom use, then the interface becomes cluttered and it becomes harder to easily hit the buttons you actually want to use. And as I said, for the vast majority of people that are sophisticated enough to use tabs, they'll almost all also be sophisticated enough to want to use a key command over an on screen button. So there are very few people who would actually want or use such a button.

I guess there's no huge reason to not make it as a customizable button. Perhaps they don't want to put in too many customizable button options because then people (especially newer safari users) will overload the toolbar with unnecessary buttons and actually make their safari experience a bad one. I think for the small number of people that would want such a button that they are well served by using the plug ins that were mentioned above (saft or whatever) that already can be used to add that function to safari.
 
it's that if you put too many on there, especially buttons that most people will very seldom use, then the interface becomes cluttered and it becomes harder to easy hit the buttons you actually want to use. I guess there's no huge reason to not make it as a customizable button.

1. nobody said it has to be shown by default, firefox doesn't have it shown by default, nor does opera. Im only asking about customizable button

2. to talk about "seldom use", "report a bug" i crown jewel of seldom use.

3. All your reasoning, exactly how can you justify the report a bug button? too many customizable button? Thats not a sincere reasoning, to be honest. if report a bug is justifiable, why new tab button is one button too much?
 
How do I quickly do that in Safari other than typing out "www.google.com/search?q=site:forums.macrumors.com+goofball"

I'm not saying that there aren't some better tools out there for some situations, but to be fair you made your query much more complicated than it needs to be to create the desired search in this situation. All you'd need to do in the google search field is type "site:macrumors.com goofball"
 
1. nobody said it has to be shown by default, firefox doesn't have it shown by default, nor does opera. Im only asking about customizable button

Perhaps you replied before I made the edit in my post above, which I think responds to this point.


2. to talk about "seldom use", "report a bug" i crown jewel of seldom use.

I'm sure that button is very seldom used, but I bet when it does gets used it performs a very important function. For instance, perhaps when it does get used it has been very important to the continuing advancements of safari, or perhaps it's a very important placebo so that when a user encounters a bug in safari they can feel like their concern is being addressed instead of just suffering in silence and being frustrated at home alone, or whatever. It's not like Apple is at all afraid of removing features or functions in any of their software. So I'm sure if they didn't think that that button was performing a valuable function then it wouldn't still be there.
 
All you'd need to do in the google search field is type "site:macrumors.com goofball"

you can't be serious? to search a 8 letters word, you have to input 3 time more? please, is there something weird I fail to understand?

I'm sure that button is very seldom used, but I bet when it does gets used it performs a very important function. .

boy, how do I say this,, no offense, but I think you are standing there defending apple blindly, you do not consider what users need, you only try to guess "why apple is doing this way", and you stick to one principle that is "apple is never wrong in these decisions".

Its not how discussion works, let readers decide, make a pole if you want, in a neutral ground.
 
you can't be serious? to search a 8 letters word, you have to input 3 time more? please, is there something weird I fail to understand?

I don't understand why you can't have a civilized conversation without getting all snotty in your responses. And did you even read what I wrote? I explicitly said 'there are better tools for certain situations,' and I was just pointing out that the OP was making things much more complicated than they really are.
 
Celvin, I think you are probably right on this one, and that Apple should add these options, however although adding a new tab button is probably worthwhile, it is more important to know that there is a limit to the number of buttons you should offer to avoid confusing the user.

Apple tries hard to get these things right, but they certainly don't always succeed, but it is what makes them better than other manufacturers is that they try.
 
boy, how do I say this,, no offense, but I think you are standing there defending apple blindly, you do not consider what users need, you only try to guess "why apple is doing this way", and you stick to one principle that is "apple is never wrong in these decisions".

Its not how discussion works, let readers decide, make a pole if you want, in a neutral ground.

Oh please, read my comments in other threads, I'm far from a blind Apple defender. In fact I'm often the one condemning Apple for mistakes they've made in the face of a torrent of apologists. Just because I have a different opinion than you doesn't mean I'm some thoughtless slobbering fool who blindly follows anyone.

I'm done with this conversation. You're being rude and obstinate and bordering on trolling. Maybe you just need some sleep or coffee or something and you'll be in a more civilized mood on another day.
 
Oh please, read my comments in other threads, I'm far from a blind Apple defender. In fact I'm often the one condemning Apple for mistakes they've made in the face of a torrent of apologists. Just because I have a different opinion than you doesn't mean I'm some thoughtless slobbering fool who blindly follows anyone.

well, I apologize if my characteristic of your argument is wrong.

But take a look at what you said on this issue. you are essentially arguing

"report a bug button" of safari i more important than "new tab" button.

nothing more need to be said, jut make a poll and ask users.
 
"Do not confuse taste with an authoritative position, nor opinion for fact."

That's my sig for a reason. It's to remind myself (and others, it they're paying attention) that their personal opinion should not be held as the arbiter of what Apple did right or wrong for anybody but themselves, nor should it be relied upon as the shield & sword in what passes for debate sometimes.

I think folks need to step back from this and take a breath. All I've seen in the last couple dozen posts is a lot of posturing & foot-stomping over what frikkin' feature needs to be there, or which poster is clueless because of a personal choice. You're starting to embarrass yourselves. Time out.

Back OT, I'm pretty impressed with Safari on Webkit. I've been solidly using Camino for quite a while now, and FF & Opera just always felt a little off to me (odd, since I swear by FF on the Windows side. Go figure). I would like to be able to right-click on a bookmark and "open in a new tab", though... ;)
 
It's Command-click for me. It's more of a "muscle memory" thing, I guess, and at my age, I don't toggle back & forth between browser conventions like I used to. ;)

Oops, yeah I meant command, not option. I think the reason why I wrote option instead of command is because of the changing conventions thing you mentioned. Because I'm still not used to writing 'command key' instead of 'apple key.'
 
am i missing something?

i tested webkit and i didn't notice any speed increase. in fact i thought it was a bit slower than the normal safari.
 
Many times I browse with the keyboard nowhere near me; thus the OPTION of a New Tab button is handy.

Any browser that doesn't offer this OPTION is jokeshop.

And right-click only works in Safari once you have more than one tab going.

:apple::confused:
 
Maybe they are planning on releasing it with 10.5.2, I hope it comes out soon. I can see why Apple is so busy though, in the last week, a wide variety of programs have been updated or tweaked. Maybe they'll just continue incremental updates of everything, either way, it's good to know that the programmers are hard at work behind the scenes. With all of these speed improvements I'm going to end up having to get a faster Mac.
 
And right-click only works in Safari once you have more than one tab going.

Right click can work even when there's only 1 tab open, but you have to set safari to always show the tab bar. When just one tab is open go View > Show Tab Bar. Then it'll always be there.
 
am i missing something?

i tested webkit and i didn't notice any speed increase. in fact i thought it was a bit slower than the normal safari.

I said this title of "snappier" is misleading, browser performance are decided by many factors, only improvement this article mentioned is javascript.

Browser speed != javascript speed.

Perhaps I didn't explain myself well, you can simply right click for a new tab, even when there's only 1 tab open.
right click, move mice to proper item on context menu, and then left click to create a new tab.
 
Many times I browse with the keyboard nowhere near me; thus the OPTION of a New Tab button is handy.

Any browser that doesn't offer this OPTION is jokeshop.

And right-click only works in Safari once you have more than one tab going.

and how is a new tab button useful if you've not got a keyboard nearby when you're wanting to type an address in for a new website tab? :rolleyes:
 
and how is a new tab button useful if you've not got a keyboard nearby when you're wanting to type an address in for a new website tab? :rolleyes:

this is not a good argument, there is no best way to solve all the problems, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't do it step by step, first make creating a new tab easier, then figure out rest of it.

Which brings me to another annoyance of safari/webkit, there is no drop down history list of urlbar untill you input something. In Firefox, there is a arrow at the right end of url bar, so you can browse through your history, keyboard free!
 
Well - whatever's going on, Apple need to sort out Safari and Adobe need to sort out flash - because at the moment, both are dreadfully slow.

Doug
 
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