I hope so!
Very much so! Security fixes aren't a very big deal, but an additional 24 pixels of vertical browsing resolution is.
It's always surprised me Apple ever went back.
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Safari 4.0.2
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It's always surprised me Apple ever went back.
We all loved the new features and layout back in the Safari 4 Beta. Now it's learning about all the strange bugs, plug-in problems, and persistent animation rendering overhead issues.
Is it just me or was the Beta a better build than the final and later versions?
Is it just me or was the Beta a better build than the final and later versions?
First off I want to thank you for pointing out this problem in a way that actually shows the problem first hand. I showed this to a couple different people who claim that animated gif files have never given them trouble, and it locked them up real quick. Some even had to force quit and that page isn't anything that complicated either. I think a lot of the crashes people are complaining about with Safari come from things just like this, maybe they just never realized what was causing it.
This is terrible on Apple's part to have let this problem go on and on like they have. I love Safari and would much prefer to use it, but I've been back to using Firefox for this one and only reason. Firefox does happen to display that wiki page beautifully I must add. Truly inexcusable IMO.
Wow, that stopped Safari responding for a couple of minutes. Surely Apple must know about this?
Safari updates have always required a restart because they install an updated version of WebKit (the framework) into the system, which is separate, but used by Safari (the browser).
I run WebKit.app (the nightly development build of Safari) and they've started doing delta updates right within the browser itself. Rather than download the entire thing every day, they send just the bits that have changed. Updating has been so much quicker. I hope they bring delta updates to more parts of the software update process.
no. but it would appear as though there are some people that think they should be able to swap out spark plugs while the car is still running.
For those of you that really like the tabs on top feature, there's a FF extension that emulates it pretty well.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/12612
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/12612
It emulates it, but it steals viewable screen pixels; so, there's no point using it. Unless you hide the tool bar and status bar, which is stupid also...
It emulates it, but it steals viewable screen pixels; so, there's no point using it.
Ah, well nuts. I never used the beta of Safari 4, so I didn't really know what it looked like. I just saw that one browsing around and thought I'd post it up since so many people seem to be missing that feature.
Now that you say that, it is a little chunky sized isn't it.
If your browsing needs are fairly basic, you could give Stainless a spin. It has tabs on top (and uses Webkit). It also uses a new thread for every tab like Chrome does.
If you handle your bookmarks via other means (eg, delcious) and can live with a bookmarks bar (or shelf) only, it might be sufficient for you. I do not use it because it does not have address completion (yet) and because it looks too clunky. Only if I want to login with two or more different credentials to the same website just using tabs, it comes in handy (as it is the only browser able to do it).
The problem is that a lot of other parts of the OS use Webkit as well (eg, Mail). That probably makes it harder to update Webkit (the framework, not Webkit.app) without a restart. And getting security updates for the Webkit part in Mail is probably rather recommended.
What I'd like to see:
Aqua loading status bar,
Tabs on top again (not default, but an option at least),
Better Flash support (one core at full load to watch a crappy video is unacceptable),
A decent animated gif support (not crashing would be enough for me),
"Save tabs and quit" option.
Except for TOT, firefox has all this options...
Aqua loading status bar,
Tabs on top again (not default, but an option at least),
Better Flash support (one core at full load to watch a crappy video is unacceptable),
A decent animated gif support (not crashing would be enough for me),
"Save tabs and quit" option.
Except for TOT, firefox has all this options...
You might be right about animated GIFs but Flash is rendered by the Flash plugin which is written by Adobe (and before they bought them, Macromedia). The performance of Flash on the Macs sucks because it is not a priority for Adobe to improve it.
Couldn't Apple lay down their hands on that plugin and sort that out? The problem is that Apple doesn't give a crap about it, so, it stays the way it is now.
So you guys prefer the Tabs on Top instead of Security fixes and Stability.
"Stupid is as stupid does, Mama always says." -Forrest Gump
Yep, the stupid ones will stay on the beta forever because of a feature that was never offered in any final release of Safari, ever.
Do you really need the stop button often enough? For developers, the reload button might be needed quite often.
Indeed it'S a 3rd party addon to the system, but then again how would you explain the vast difference of implementation between Safari and Opera? I bet even the Intel users see a difference there.
Apple has the alternative for slow @ss Office. And since iWork is around, why should they solve MS Office's problems? Where's the alternative for web's standard flash? Is Apple expecting Silverlight to be the next flash?
I'm not trying to defend Apple here, but ever though of the possibility that the Flash Plugin for Safari is just not working optimally? How do you expect Apple to deal with that. It's Adobe that manages the Flash standard, so it's ip to them to provide working plugins that can read them properly.
finally!!!
hope they release bug fixes & the crash issues
What crash issues? Are you referring to Flash related crashes (see above)? I still have to encounter any crash in Safari 3 and 4 (beta and afterwards) that are NOT attributable to Flash. My Safari is rock solid except for Flash. Haven tried that animated gif yet though, but up till now I haven't noticed any problems with others yet.
Does anyone here have crashes that are not attributable to Flash?
Im on snow leopard and when I downloaded it... and tried to install it said I can't because 10.5.8 is required
For SL users...I changed the OSX version in the
System/Library/Coreservices/Systemversion.plist. And it would have let me install it, but the installer indicated that my current Safari from the latest snow leopard is newer than the 4.0.2 version. We must have a higher build number?
For those who don't know how to change the "About this mac" System version...Open System/Library/Coreservices/Systemversion.plist. in a text editor and change the versions....In this example i changed from 10.6 to 10.5.8.
<key>ProductUserVisibleVersion</key>
<string>10.5.8</string>
<key>ProductVersion</key>
<string>10.5.8</string> )