Safari 4.0.2

[MacManiac76]

Right, but the question is why are you staring at the spinning cog? You can't look at a page before it is finished?

This is why the new method is brilliant.

A page load in Safari 4 looks like this:
1) Safari downloads content from the network, and you get the blue "Loading..." box.

2) Safari has now downloaded enough images, HTML, CSS etc to begin displaying the page, so it does so, and then fades the Loading... box to grey

*** This is where your eyes should stop looking at the loading box/spinning wheel, and begin looking at the page ***

3) The page continues to load, and literally becomes the 'progress bar' for the site.

4) Safari finishes downloading, and displays the entire page, of which you are already looking at.


Now, why would you wait till step 4 before you even start looking at the page?

Justify it however you want, but to me it is not intuitive at all. The blue progress bar was one of the main features that set Safari apart from all other browsers. Would you approve of a "Loading..." style progress for downloads too? I didn't think so. Essentially it's the same type of situation.

 

[Papajohn56]

Maliciously "crafted" lol, what a buzzword.

 

[Dmac77]

Im on snow leopard and when I downloaded it... and tried to install it said I can't because 10.5.8 is required

The same thing happens to me. I don't think we'll be seeing it for awhile.

Don

 

[Matthew Yohe]

Would you approve of a "Loading..." style progress for downloads too? I didn't think so. Essentially it's the same type of situation.

You're missing my point. Most people don't seem understand that a website's "Loading" bar is not something that can accurately be solved for in linear time. Because of the (sometimes) hundreds of files that have to be downloaded, and several servers that need to be contacted when downloading items on a webpage, and the various speed bumps on the internet, the function of a website's transfer time and TCP packets is nonlinear.

A download of a single file, with a pretty consistent speed, of a known size, is VERY simple to accurately solve, a la the downloads progress bar.

I'm not "justifying" anything, I'm just explaining what's really going on.

 

[Luap]

Im not seeing any changes regarding colour either.

So.. Works fine on my intel iMac. Seems to work fine on my old faithful G4 powerbook too. Except for its using huge amounts of CPU. Occasionally it settles down to normal levels, but also, occasionally it maxes out. Something doesn't seem to be quite right with it on older PPC machines perhaps. Anyone else notice?

 

[sladey]

Does anyone know if it fixes the pdf issue on Windows?

Obviously all's well on my Mac but since version 3 for Windows Safari crashes every time I click on a link which tries to open a pdf.

 

[psionic001]

Geez, some of you people need to get your eyes checked. It is clearly tangerine, not purple.

What purple?

 

[gavin83209]

No, honestly. What is "it?" I don't see any changes at all besides those documented.

Purple, tangerine, whatever you want to call "it." Would somebody please tell me what changed?

 

[DCJ001]

You won't be leaving the beta, then.

They will when the beta expires.

 

[MacMuttonchops]

No, honestly. What is "it?" I don't see any changes at all besides those documented.

Purple, tangerine, whatever you want to call "it." Would somebody please tell me what changed?

A swing and a miss!

 

[AlexH]

No.

Must we have these same discussions every time?

We'll stop having this discussion when restarting after a browser update is rare.

 

[alosii]

We'll stop having this discussion when restarting after a browser update is rare.

Again...this is not a browser update. This includes a webkit update.

 

[AlexH]

Again...this is not a browser update. This includes a webkit update.

I still don't want a restart! It just seems a bit much to me.

 

[lixuelai]

Hopefully this fixes the hangs on my MBA. Sent Apple a bazillion bug reports. They must have gotten tired of them...

 

[insocal]

Wait...scratch that, it happens on Firefox as well...an issue with the 9400? I have a MacBook Pro 13" updated to the recent firmware.

I noticed that too! I thought I was just tired or something and my eyes were being weird. Heading to the Genius Bar tomorrow because my battery stays at either 98% or 99% when plugged in...I'll ask about this, too!

 

[peterdevries]

I have 0 plugins or addons, and Safari crashes on my MBP fairly often.

I'm willing to bet that you have Flash installed. That crashes my safari on my MBP each session a few times. Take a close look at the error reports..

Besides the Flash crashes (which I'm fairly sure are attributable to Adobe) my Safari is solid as a rock and hasn't crashed once.

 

[colourfastt]

+1

I loved the old blue progress bar inside the address field.

It seems that Apple is going with a consistent theme throughout all their products: the spikey spinning circle.

 

[mrkgoo]

Right, but the question is why are you staring at the spinning cog? You can't look at a page before it is finished?

This is why the new method is brilliant.

A page load in Safari 4 looks like this:
1) Safari downloads content from the network, and you get the blue "Loading..." box.

2) Safari has now downloaded enough images, HTML, CSS etc to begin displaying the page, so it does so, and then fades the Loading... box to grey

*** This is where your eyes should stop looking at the loading box/spinning wheel, and begin looking at the page ***

3) The page continues to load, and literally becomes the 'progress bar' for the site.

4) Safari finishes downloading, and displays the entire page, of which you are already looking at.


Now, why would you wait till step 4 before you even start looking at the page?

I knew it had stages to the new loading bar, but this is pretty good description. I think the grey (I never see it as blue) means it's actively transferring data (downloading images, text etc), and then goes white when rendering. Gives me an idea what is in cache.

 

[mrkgoo]

I noticed that too! I thought I was just tired or something and my eyes were being weird. Heading to the Genius Bar tomorrow because my battery stays at either 98% or 99% when plugged in...I'll ask about this, too!

That's normal behaviour for the charger. It's not meant to always charge to 100% to prevent constant charging. Sometimes when it charges to 100%, it will slowly drain down to 95% before charging again.

Also, you may need to calibrate your battery to let it know what is 100 and what is 0.

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

I wish Apple would at least give us the option to put tabs back on top. The beta was so slick.

 

[str1f3]

It seems that Apple is going with a consistent theme throughout all their products: the spikey spinning circle.

I'm going to go ahead and assume that this will be the same for Safari mobile as well in a future update.

 

[dalvin200]

just seen this now..
why the frig do we have to reboot for a browser update

come on apple!!

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

just seen this now..
why the frig do we have to reboot for a browser update

come on apple!!

This has been discussed ad nauseam. It's a webkit update and webkit is used throughout the whole OS.

 

[sal]

this is the update I was looking for. Ever since I updated to safari 4, i've been experiencing a lot of crashes. I swore I was going to wait for the next update to safari and if it's still buggy, I am going back to Firefox.

 

[physicsdude1]

But does it put the tabs back on the top? I'm not leaving the beta until I can get that.

Here, here!!