Safari 4 Tops 11 Million Downloads in First Three Days

[manu chao]

This is false, I've never installed Safari but just having iTunes/QuickTime will cause it to check for updates and it tries to install Safari by default there. It's quite annoying. I'm sure many Windows iTunes users didn't care and just let it install Safari even though they may never use it. And since they had Safari it then upgraded them.

Apple is definitely doing some shady stuff to boost their numbers here.

Here's a complaint about it: http://slashdot.org/story/08/03/22/1536250/Mozilla-CEO-Objects-To-Safari-Auto-Install?art_pos=8

And how old is that story? More than a year, this is really old news. Right now (and it has been like this for about a year), Apple Software Update on Windows does offer you Safari but with an unchecked box whereas updates to installed Apple software, eg, iTunes, have their box checked and you only have to hit enter. To install Safari you also have to check a checkbox.
Yes, initially when Safari for Windows appeared for the first time, that box was checked. But after large protests Apple changed that with a few months.

 

[EmperorDarius]

All these things are obvious, I am just commenting on the bloat that is a default install on a Mac. Having a program installed and not used on a Windows system is no more harmful than on OSX.

It is when what's installed is an antivirus software trial, which are generally difficult to remove completely, and which do nothing but slow down the system. I don't think that iLife really slows down the system. Besides, Windows gets much more slower than OS X with time, and even slower when you install apps.

I am sure you do switch between languages, but between Chinese? Iranian? But now you are using the same logic Windows does, the extra bloat in Windows is there because its better to include that than have lots of users asking where it is.

Languages are a different thing. Usually the more = the better. And besides, with Monolingual removing extra languages becomes very easy and quick.

 

[peterdevries]

No sorry, Safari has no features that I can't find in other browsers.

Top Sites?

 

[jbembe]

Is "APPLE-T" now cool or what!?! The new browser is really sweet.

 

[windywoo]

Top Sites?

Chrome.

 

[KevinN206]

Looks like Safari's marketshare will increase pretty soon in Europe:

1. Microsoft may have to include competitor browsers in Windows 7 (Safari, Opera, Firefox, Chrome, etc...) OR

2. Microsoft will remove IE8 completely from Windows 7, an option Microsoft would like to take, but Opera & EU still not happy

 

[groovebuster]

Top Sites?

Well, sometimes you might wonder about the design choices at Apple.

Our daughter (8 y.o.) uses the old iBook G4 (with Tiger) of my wife with parental control enabled. I thought that Safari 4 would be cool for her, because she could see all her favourite websites right away instead of clicking somewhere in the bookmarks with the need to read everything all the time.

Know what? Top Sites is disabled when parental control is on! A feature that would be cool also for kids. Weird... And dissapointing.

groovebuster

 

[EmperorDarius]

Well, sometimes you might wonder about the design choices at Apple.

Our daughter (8 y.o.) uses the old iBook G4 (with Tiger) of my wife with parental control enabled. I thought that Safari 4 would be cool for her, because she could see all her favourite websites right away instead of clicking somewhere in the bookmarks with the need to read everything all the time.

Know what? Top Sites is disabled when parental control is on! A feature that would be cool also for kids. Weird... And dissapointing.

groovebuster

I think it's more like a bug...You should report that to Apple.
Or don't use parental control.
Or use a third party parental control software.
Probably the first option.

 

[fixmymac]

Well, sometimes you might wonder about the design choices at Apple.

Our daughter (8 y.o.) uses the old iBook G4 (with Tiger) of my wife with parental control enabled. I thought that Safari 4 would be cool for her, because she could see all her favourite websites right away instead of clicking somewhere in the bookmarks with the need to read everything all the time.

Know what? Top Sites is disabled when parental control is on! A feature that would be cool also for kids. Weird... And dissapointing.

groovebuster

Hi, you may be interested in my post, on page 5, number 105, on the subject of Parental Controls in Safari 4 with Mac OS X 10.4. There appears to be quite a major problem!

 

[Papajohn56]

Ugh. Google Adwords worked fine in Safari 4 beta, but now Adwords gives me a message that my browser is not supported.

 

[groovebuster]

Hi, you may be interested in my post, on page 5, number 105, on the subject of Parental Controls in Safari 4 with Mac OS X 10.4. There appears to be quite a major problem!

Thanks, I'll check out waht happens as soon as I have my hands on the iBook of my daughter again.

The sad part is, that I don't expect Apple to fix these things for Tiger... They will not put too much effort into a legacy OS. :-(

groovebuster

 

[fixmymac]

Thanks, I'll check out waht happens as soon as I have my hands on the iBook of my daughter again.

The sad part is, that I don't expect Apple to fix these things for Tiger... They will not put too much effort into a legacy OS. :-(

groovebuster

Hi, i think they will have to fix the issue i have highlighted. I have deliberately not mentioned the details of the problem just in case there are Managed Users reading this forum. I am sure you will understand once you get a chance to test it out. There is also the beginnings of a discussion about this matter on the Apple Discussions.

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2034579&tstart=0

 

[alabanco]

Safari 4 is out, nice, fast, gorgeous BUT

1) how can I save session
2) how can I duplicate tabs
3) how can I force it to open all links in new tabs not in new window

I can live without adblock plus but these things NEED TO BE in the 21st century browser

(tested Safari for Windows)

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Safari 4 is out, nice, fast, gorgeous BUT

1) how can I save session
2) how can I duplicate tabs
3) how can I force it to open all links in new tabs not in new window

I can live without adblock plus but these things NEED TO BE in the 21st century browser

(tested Safari for Windows)

When would you ever need to duplicate tabs?

 

[NT1440]

Complicated interface - the address bar is a mess, combining too many buttons. The tabs are bigger so fewer pages could be opened simultaneously.

Tabs get smaller as more appear.

 

[Eraserhead]

You gotta figure that most of those Windows downloads were Boot Camp users. I'm sure there's a few Safari fans on Windows, but lets not delude ourselves ...

It looks much more like a real Windows app now... (actually as someone at work pointed out it doesn't have an Apply button in the preferences - but apart from that.)

Maybe iTunes will be made to look like a Windows app too.

2. Microsoft will remove IE8 completely from Windows 7, an option Microsoft would like to take, but Opera & EU still not happy

Microsoft have announced that they are doing that.

 

[Bodie]

Safari 4 Final Release -- slooooowww

Does any one else think that the final version is slower than the beta version? Several sites "hang" and take a bit longer to load. This was not a problem with the beta version.

Does anyone else miss the progress bar in the url window? -- and the stop and reload buttons that you could put anywhere in the toolbar?

So far I'm disappointed.

I've always used Firefox occasionally, but now I'm thinking exclusively.

 

[Doctor Q]

It crashed on me for the first time today. Not even a message offering to inform Apple or relaunch. The window was just *poof* gone and the app was no longer running.

 

[Eidorian]

It crashed on me for the first time today. Not even a message offering to inform Apple or relaunch. The window was just *poof* gone and the app was no longer running.

It is very disturbing to see Safari 4 just go poof like that. Were you able to reproduce it on the same website(s)?

 

[ercanbas]

On the beta if you had two windows open and wanted to combine them you would drag it from the top right since tabs were on top. I cannot seem to figure this out on the new version. Any insight?

 

[alabanco]

Originally Posted by alabanco
Safari 4 is out, nice, fast, gorgeous BUT

1) how can I save session
2) how can I duplicate tabs
3) how can I force it to open all links in new tabs not in new window

I can live without adblock plus but these things NEED TO BE in the 21st century browser

(tested Safari for Windows)

When would you ever need to duplicate tabs?

Very ordinary situation. Imagine you are searching for smth. You are in the middle of some page you want it to be open but you need to move back in time and to have that also as an open tab. Browser is used not only in one way track.

So the logic is if there is no duplicate tabs then let it be ? (Although Chrome, FF do have that option and widely used not only by me )

But, hey this is just one the important issued I listed. What are the others. Perfectly ignored.

 

[Sehnsucht]

Looks like Safari's marketshare will increase pretty soon in Europe:

1. Microsoft may have to include competitor browsers in Windows 7 (Safari, Opera, Firefox, Chrome, etc...) OR

2. Microsoft will remove IE8 completely from Windows 7, an option Microsoft would like to take, but Opera & EU still not happy

That would be the ultimate, ULTIMATE irony.

Windows 7 "Ultimate Irony Edition."

It crashed on me for the first time today. Not even a message offering to inform Apple or relaunch. The window was just *poof* gone and the app was no longer running.

SRSLY?

I've had apps crash on me, but I've never seen them go "poof". I *always* get the Relaunch/Report prompt. Disturbing...

 

[br0adband]

11 million downloads... riiiiggghhhtttt... and I've got this bridge in Brooklyn they might be interested in, good condition, I'll even throw in a party for the sale.

Apple marketing... the best that the Apple Tax can buy...

 

[MikeTheC]

Speaking of parental controls vis a vis the Web...

Generally, I advise people to make use of their router to block inappropriate sites, simply because you can't bypass that from the computer.

 

[fixmymac]

Speaking of parental controls vis a vis the Web...

Generally, I advise people to make use of their router to block inappropriate sites, simply because you can't bypass that from the computer.

Speaking as a technically minded person, i would agree.

However, the average Jane/Joe would expect a feature called Parental Controls to actually control. There will be many parents who have kids using Safari 4 on Mac OS X 10.4.x and they will expect the Parental Controls to continue to do their job.

Right now, when little junior tries to visit a site that is not permitted, he will probably click Cancel when the window appears looking for admin credentials. Will little junior run and tell mummy and/or daddy that when he clicked Cancel, the site was added anyway?