Safari Beta v64

[Awimoway]

Re: Re: Macrumors liability

Originally posted by arn
Well, that may be a different issue. Copyright is not revoked when someone is sold a copy of a piece of work. If I buy a book... or even an eBook, it doesn't mean that the contents are no longer copyrighted.

What about books? Even if you say you own the "book", you don't have the right to copy it and distribute it... right?

arn

No, but you may own a copy of said book. You just don't have a copyright to it. I understand that copying the book without copyright is illegal and that distributing the copy is illegal. But if I happen to possess such an illegal copy, am I guilty of any crime? This seems fuzzier to me.

Frankly, this is just one more example of why digital content and the law do not mix very well. We are compelled to resort to analogies that never hold up very well and mislead as much or more as they illuminate.

 

[Xerov]

Originally posted by rugby
First point, requesting pirated software isn't bright.

Second point, requesting it be email to you is a bit dumber.

Third point, requesting it be emailed to YOUR MAC.COM email address is borderline Canadien.

Funniest thing ive heard all day...I really did LOL...Thank you that.

 

[voicegy]

oh, honestly!

I don't see why arn should have to get into long drawn out discussions regarding what should be just common sense. It's a pain for Apple to cruise sites to catch unauthorized copies of beta test software. We shouldn't engage in it either. For me, I'm quite happy to let the beta testers do their thing, find the problems, and eventually allow it to come out in an OFFICIAL update release where 99% of the crap has been weeded out and I end up with a more stable, worthy product.

I engaged in a download from this site earlier (previous beta relase of Safari) and I got the debug menu to appear and played with the tabs for about an hour, then I chucked it all when I realized that I probably shouldn't have done that when the links started disappearing. I honestly thought I was downloading something that was "ok" to do so due to the courtesy of a fellow member, but since then I've learned to just respect the beta testers and allow the process to take its course.

I'm sure my patience will be rewarded. (But I DO understand the desire to get ahold of such things)

 

[cnladd]

First off, Beta v64 is much better than v62 so far.

Next up, the legality of this. Sorry for the length of this, but this should help those folks wondering if distributing, downloading, or using this is illegal (in short: yes, no, no.)

If anyone signed an NDA with Apple before receiving this software they've broken their contract by distributing it. Now, what about for the rest of us? Nothing. Plain and simple. What about sites distributing it? Same thing. This isn't a copyright issue. Apple owns the copyright, plain and simple. This is a licensing issue. Take a look at the license for this software.

1. This license states that this is a public beta. It is pre-release software, time-limited, and for evaluation purposes only.

2. You can download and use the software for evaluation during the term of the license.

3. The term starts the moment you download the software and ends on either June 30, 2003 or when a final version is released, whichever comes first.

Other than the usual disclaimers (LGPL, warranty and liability disclaimers, controlling law, etc.) that's it. Nothing else. This may not have been intended to leak to the public, but it's availability to the public can't be fully controlled. In short, you can't get in trouble for downloading and using this beta.

For distributors, that's another matter. Anyone with a relationship with Apple, be it vendor, distributor, beta tester, developer, etc. walks a fine line when making this available to others. Not because of the language in Safari's license, but because of potential language in whatever other agreements you may have signed with Apple.

And, of course, since Apple owns the copyright, they can control distribution. The license grants you the right (not explicitly, but implicitly via the language) to download and use the software. The license grants you the right to make one backup copy only. It does not grant you the right to share it with others. So yes, Apple can legally stop a site from making this available to others. And, just as they do with their other apps (such as iPhoto, iTunes, etc.) that are free, they enforce that right -- you can't find those anywhere else other than Apple's site.

The only times you can't use this software legally is either: after June 30, 2003; after Apple releases the final build; or if Apple notifies you in writing that it is directly revoking the license agreement with you.

So, in the end, if you find yourself with access to Safari, go ahead and grab it without fear.

 

[cnladd]

This won't be as long as my last one, I promise.

With all the talk about tabs (which have been greatly refined between v62 and v64), I haven't seen anyone talking about something that's a bit less visible, but just as (if not more) important.

v64 introduces two new items on the "Debug" menu: "AutoComplete Forms with Past Data" and "AutoComplete Forms with Address Book".

Also, there's a bit of extra help in the "Debug" menu in an item labeled "Keyboard and Mouse Shortcuts". Selecting that opens up a new browser window pointing to file:///Applications/Safari.app/Contents/Resources/English.lproj/Shortcuts.html (included in the hopes that it may work for folks who aren't using v64 yet...) This file seems to list all of the shortcuts available for users. Not that big a deal, unless you make a LOT of use of keyboard shortcuts when browsing and are looking for more to save time and keystrokes.

 

[Wonder Boy]

I care more about the auto-fill then I do about the tabs. Looks like I'm in the minorty, though.

 

[From Win to Mac]

Hey Rugby, how about learning to spell Canadian properly ?

Marc K

 

[cnladd]

Originally posted by From Win to Mac
Hey Rugby, how about learning to spell Canadian properly ?

Marc K

He did. As mentioned in a previous post, that's the French spelling.

 

[Dale Sorel]

Re: I'm in heaven

Originally posted by TMA
On the minus side i'm experiencing alot of sites with green text where it should be black A very strange bug.

Go in to Preferences and turn off the html4.css stylesheet. If you have Safari Enhancer you will have to turn on underline links.

 

[Sedulous]

v64 seems pretty good. What are some of the other items under the debug menu for?

 

[alset]

I'm still not impressed.

Dan

 

[shadowfax]

How come Camino 0.7 didn't make the news here?

Camino is the coolest mac browser, if now with the WORST name ever. compromise, compromise.

Originally posted by übergeek
i'm a really stupid teenage girl.

things you never thought you'd see but feel so much

 

[melchior]

it's just like a dream!

safari v64 provides everything i need in a browser. while chimera had a better name, camino does not.

safari v64, with a milk them is almost perfect and i have now officially switched. the only thing missing is when you click a link in say mail, it opens in a new window instead of a new tab. this is bliss. opening folders in tabs. opening tab in background. ahhhh, david hyatt is doing a good job.

 

[boskie]

nice feature...

i like that they've added the option to open a folder of bookmarks in a nested window.

If only by defualt it would open in a new window, this is the second time i've tried writing this post - lucky i'm not lazy.

Oh wait yes i a



Just had i thought about another feature i would like (i know its the wrong place for this, but hey if the shoe fits give it to somebody who needs it):

I would like to browse bookmarks in the dock such as with chimera/camino...

have it include the above and thats all i need from safari - apart from gaurding me from the Lions and Tigers and Bears which fill the Void Which Binds

 

[MetallicPenguin]

I know a perfect place to get the safari things

 

[backspinner]

Hurray! There is now a throbber in the tab showing that it's busy. That's what I was missing in the main window.

 

[Raiden]

Re: Chimeramino

Originally posted by iSmell

el camino
el el camino
the front looks like a car
the back looks like a truck
the front is where you drive
the back is where you
el camino
el el camino

Hahahaha good song!

Anyway, I cant wait to use the tabs features, because I have heard so much about them.

 

[DakotaGuy]

Ok I found the v.64 and wanted to play with it, but have decided just to continue to use the v.60 released version, because to me v.64 is slow. I went into the terminal and did the thing to add the debug menu, now I still have that dumb menu on my v.60. What do I type to hide that again? Thanks...

 

[cnladd]

Originally posted by Abercrombieboy
Ok I found the v.64 and wanted to play with it, but have decided just to continue to use the v.60 released version, because to me v.64 is slow. I went into the terminal and did the thing to add the debug menu, now I still have that dumb menu on my v.60. What do I type to hide that again? Thanks...

defaults write com.apple.safari IncludeDebugMenu 0

 

[MarkCollette]

Originally posted by rugby
First point, requesting pirated software isn't bright.

Second point, requesting it be email to you is a bit dumber.

Third point, requesting it be emailed to YOUR MAC.COM email address is borderline Canadien.

Isn't it opensource? How can that be pirating?
Also, why make fun of Quebecois, when their girls are so pretty? It's like biting the hand that scratches your back

 

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by MarkCollette
Isn't it opensource? How can that be pirating?
Also, why make fun of Quebecois, when their girls are so pretty? It's like biting the hand that scratches your back

Safari is not opensource. Also Apple provides select betas for free to the public. If they don't officially release it to the public then it isn't legal for distribution under the NDA aggreement that Apple has with the only people that can get ahold of it legally.

 

[davy the bunny]

dang it and I just got v.62, now it's gonna take me another while to get my hands on this one. I hate having to use P2P over dial-up.

 

[Doctor Q]

I was quite impressed with David Hyatt's comments on tab design. No, I don't agree with some of the design choices. But he understands the issues and tradeoffs and he made decisions based on experience and clear thinking. As a program designer, I really admire that type of work. And good designers who can also explain/defend their design so well are hard to find.

 

[Tenacious B]

I wish they had fixed the problem where closing the tabs shrinks the window the width of the tab bar. I would send a comment with the bug button, but I don't want legal hassles.

 

[jettredmont]

Re: Tabs In or Out

Originally posted by ennerseed
Via the images posted here I really think the tabs should be reversed.

By that I mean the paticular page you are visiting would be indented in, ie pushed with the mouse upon clicking (it would seem odd , the tab, coming toward you with your mouse action pushing down). It would also look attached to the page you are viewing vs attached to the tool bar, as it is now.

Doesn't that seem right?

Well, sure, except that it completely defies all known UI human interface guidelines.

I mean, you "push" on a window to make it come "up", too, and i don't think that that is a broken concept at all. I think the thing that is broken is the equating of a mouse "click" to physically "pushing" on something. A mouse "click" is a "selection", not a "push".