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Safari Beta v64

Re: Hmm My version not working!

Originally posted by liven2
Ok I have Safari build v.64 but see no tab browsing or anything new.. AND yess it is a v.64 build so do not worry about that..Everyone else that got this build it seems to work fine but mine does not.. I have deleted and installed it 3 times now and still no go!.. No TABS Nothing.. Any suggestion why I can not get them to work!??... In fact it looks no different than the official Apple release version v.60

Any suggestions?.. HELP!!!
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To get tabs you need to turn on the hidden Debug menu (look to the MacRumors 0.62 beta discussion for how to do this). Then, you need to click on the Debug menu and select "Tabbed Browsing" ... THEN, you need to open a window in a new tab before you'll see the tab bar, using keyboard shortcuts or right-clicking on a link and selecting "Open in New Tab".

IMHO, both v0.62 and from what I hear 0.64 are too buggy for general consumption. Tabbed browsing is great, but I'm back to "vanilla" 0.60 for browsing as 0.62 had too many display defects. Which, of course, is why Apple hasn't released 0.62 or 0.64 ... they aren't ready yet, and the paradigm hasn't yet completely solidified (a lot of Mozilla tabbing features aren't in there yet).
 
Re: Tab interface

Originally posted by wHo_tHe
Seems to me the tab UI is upside down; that the tab should be "sticking up" from the main content window, not "hanging down" from the bookmarks bar or rest of the interface. Or possibly least invert the active/inactive looks; in the examples that were posted, I feel the three "sunken tabs" associate more with the main window, since the shaded area runs the length of the window just above the actual content, rather than the light area, which, as I mentioned, abuts the rest of the UI, not the browser content.
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As has been discussed before, the tabs relate not only to the content area but (less obviously) to the controls on the top of the page. IMHO, there are two HIG-compliant locations for the Tab Bar: just below the window's title bar (ie, above the forward/back/address bar) facing down, or at the bottom above the status bar facing up. You would also be able to get by with having the tabs run on the left or right of the window (past the scroll bar), as one would see in the pioneer of tabbed documents, Quattro Pro's spreadsheet program from the early '90's. From a pure HIG perspective, the tabs as seen in Mozilla et al are just plain wrong, and Safari is just perpetuating their mistake. On the other hand, that's where people "expect" tabs to be (the people that have used tabs before now at least, which is really a minority of future users), and I suspect that's where Apple is coming from.

Personally, I'd love to see Apple bring something original to the tabbed browsing metaphor. I'm not overly impressed, so far, with Safari's implementation. On the other hand, there is a reason that 0.62 and 0.64 are not public betas, and maybe Apple is thinking along the same lines (not wanting to just replicate someone else's somewhat broken hack of a design).
 
Safari is still too buggy

Camino 0.7 is the best - nice and speedy, everyone get this fine piece from work from the people that brought you Chimera™. The only way Camino will ever be the ultimate is to put in bookmark separators.
 
Originally posted by MacBandit
Safari is not opensource. Also Apple provides select betas for free to the public. If they don't officially release it to the public then it isn't legal for distribution under the NDA aggreement that Apple has with the only people that can get ahold of it legally.
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Please see my earlier post. Part of what you said was correct -- it isn't legal for distribution under the NDA. The last part, though ("the only people that can get ahold of it legally") is incorrect and misleading. If you can find a copy of Safari v64 (or any other version, for that matter), then it is perfectly legal for you to download it and use it.

For example, I'm not allowed to offer up Safari v64 for distribution from my site (http://www.laddonline.com). If, for some reason, you happen to find it on my site, it is perfectly legal for you to download it and use it. The only time that it would be illegal for you to use it is if Apple specifically revokes your license to use it.

Also, let's all stop using the terms "legal" and "illegal", because they're not completely correct in this context. We're talking about a licensing agreement with a corporation here, folks. It can be enforced through the courts if determined to be valid but is not, in and of itself, a law.

Finally, Safari in and of itself is not open source, though it is based upon open source code -- namely, the rendering engine -- which is bundled with the browser.
 
Anybody else experiencing this?

When I open a new tab or window the text will vary greatly in size. Sometimes it's normal size and other times it's huge. It just does this arbitrarily in both v62 and the latest v64. I was hoping that maybe the bug would be corrected in the latest version, but not to be....had to uninstall again *sigh*.
 
In case I'm just missing something I think I found out that you don't have to have the debug menu, activate the debug menu, then open safari, insert the code to make the menu go away (while safari is open), then restart safari
 
Re: Re: ummm???

Originally posted by MrMacman
I'm sorry if there is something worse than the french it must be french canadians. I hear every year that Canada wants to become english as its language and every year the french canadians say never. Urg.
Don't call CNN stupid? Why are you saying this again. What are you opposed to war or something? CNN shows you Pro-War. Many americans are also anti-war...

Anyway SpyMac isn't stupid.. they pulled the link too. How about we all create a code word for 'gimme the latest safari build' And we all PM eachother for the word...
I think I'll give myself a pat on the back for that one. :rolleyes:
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First of all, forget all of the BS you've been taught, in your village, about France. It shows your ignorance too well. No, right now you're thinking about explaining to me how you actually know what you're talking about, but trust me, you're wrong. See, now you're thinking about how I'm not providing proof for my statements, but my proof is in the public history, which they simply never taught you in your village. Read a book.

Secondly, do not assume you, or anyone in your media knows anything about issues of Quebec or Canada. You don't, so just move along to some other topic. I don't care that you may think you do.

Thirdly, your media is useless, and filters most topics. Try alternative media or any foreign media. You will then understand why we say that CNN is BS. Whether you are for or against war, CNN is useless.
 
please... no more off-topic discussion. Future posts in this thread that are off topic or have off-topic portions will be deleted.

arn
 
V64 HAS BIG PROBLEMS!

i tried v64 and have already trashed it. it worked good for a little while , then everything went nuts. There is a reason why the public can't download it yet. this is the last time I try a version before it is released to the public.
 
Download Drawer

I was wondering if having a separate download window open in web browsers bothers anybody but myself?

Since Apple has gone with the "drawers" on things such as Mail, why don't they add something like that to Safari? Instead of having a separate window hiding behind your browser, or moving your browswer window open, wouldn't it be nice to have a mailboxes style drawer that would just pop in and out on the side of your browswer window?

Just my 2 cents. :)
 
I'm running v64 (you can get it off Limewire), and I like it. The tabs do so much more than those in other apps.

I really like what I see here, and I haven't run into any problems (yet...).
 
How to make tabs in Safari v62 and v64:
1. Close Safari
2. Open Terminal
3. Type: defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1 and hit Return
4. Terminal should not display any message after doing this
5. Close Terminal and open Safari
6. A menu called "Debug" will now be available, you can activate tabbed browsing through there

You can now open new tabs with command-T, and open links in tabs with command-click.
 
Re: V64 HAS BIG PROBLEMS!

Originally posted by foofan
i tried v64 and have already trashed it. it worked good for a little while , then everything went nuts. There is a reason why the public can't download it yet. this is the last time I try a version before it is released to the public.
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Umm, whether it was released to the public or not doesn't matter. There's a reason that it's considered beta software. Anyone downloading and using this version (or any other pre-release version of this program, even if publicly released by Apple) could have serious consequences. Anyone with this kind of adverse reaction to an issue shouldn't have installed beta software on the first place.

With that said, I've been running each of the development (non-public) betas as they've been released and I haven't encountered a single problem yet. As always with this sort of thing, YMMV.
 
We all understand that it's a beta, thank you very much.

As for my mileage, I think v62 was more stable than v64. Page loading hangs all too often. I kept my copy of v62 handy, and I am going back to it. I heard that a public beta may be released next week. Here's to hoping it's stabler than v64.
 
safari twice as fast

I just hooked my brand new imac 1 ghz up to the internet and downloaded safari from apple,
very fast!

I just purchased my imac today and I'm in love!


I've waited 1 year for this day!
 
Re: Anybody else experiencing this?

Originally posted by PieMac
When I open a new tab or window the text will vary greatly in size. Sometimes it's normal size and other times it's huge. It just does this arbitrarily in both v62 and the latest v64. I was hoping that maybe the bug would be corrected in the latest version, but not to be....had to uninstall again *sigh*.
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Delete the Preferences for Safari. I had the exact same thing happen and this fixed it.
 
Great I'll give it a go...do you delete the preferences before you install v64 or after or does it matter?
 
First, I agree with arn about the piracy. b60 is a publically licensed beta, b64 is not, and is a privately held code source. Use at your own risk.

As for Safari b64, I am using it alot. I forgot how much I love tabs.

Just a pic of it without the brush metal look,

safari_64.jpg


Camino is a good bit faster on my Dual 1250 and my Dual 800. I still use safari more simply because I find the interface elegant, beautiful and much more user friendly. I think that's what the browser wars that seem to be coming up around the corner will be about.

GPT
 
BTW, since I skipped over most of the PIRACY bs, I didn't notice if anyone mention that you have to go into the Debug menu to enable tabbing and I haven't had any issues with it without deleting the preferences.
 
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