Safari Team Asks for Feedback Amid Accusations That 'Safari Is the Worst, It's the New IE'

[SqB]

Apple and every IT person everywhere, forever: "Did you put in a ticket?"

User: **ROLLEYES**


As someone who uses that phrase several times a week, I do get what they're trying to do, but maybe they need to let some of the PR people at Apple handle the public facing side of this.

 

[TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️]

Does anyone know if current macOS is supporting 120HZ promotion on the latest MacBook Pro? Last time I heard it was on the developer preview stage. I could be wrong.

 

[jarman92]

I also like Safari. Problem is, IMO, that (too) many websites do not work properly with Safari. Obviously they are optimized for Chrome, and maybe for Firefox. No idea what Apple could do here but if they are not aware, the web moves away from Safari/WebKit.

Totally agreed. I have to keep a Chromium-based browser on my Mac to access pages that don't work properly on Safari (I use Brave because I absolutely refuse to install Chrome). But as you said, I think it's more the fault of the websites than Apple.

I'm wondering if this "contact me on Twitter" thing is something Apple is officially trying out, or just an individual effort by some developers. This is at least the second Apple developer I've seen ask for direct feedback on Twitter.

 

[Moka Akashiya]

Worst thing i face on ios. Chat page scroll still very easy to break on input focus.

IOS Safari: unwanted scroll when keyboard is opened and body scroll is disabled

There is a known technique to disable page scroll when modal window is opened. CSS: html { height: 100%; } body.disable-scroll { position: fixed; height: 100%; overflow: hidden; } HTML: ...

stackoverflow.com

 

[boss.king]

I just opened Safari to test it out and was hit with this while trying to load a single link.

I ended up having to force quit it. Reopened again and the numbers were more reasonable, but even scrolling through MacRumors is dog-slow.

I abandoned Safari mostly due to lack of extension support, but I didn't realise it had somehow got worse at the basics.

EDIT: tried a couple more sites and it's unusable. As in multiple seconds of lag between scrolling and the webpage actually moving. I don't care if this is a website problem or a Safari problem, I just want to be able to visit commonly used sites.

EDIT 2: What are you disagreeing with, KurtWilde? This isn't an opinion, I'm just sharing my current experience trying to use Safari.

 

[rlewisphilly]

I hope to God the bugs being reported actually get fixed.

Cosmetic changes are always subjective (I do like the tabs at the bottom in iOS), BUT the version in the MacOS BETA 12.3 is freezing up ALOT. 3-5 tabs open and then you need to close Safari and start over again. Yeah, I know. BETA. ;0|

 

[GMShadow]

Most of this is due to Google's stranglehold on the browser market, leading lazy webdevs to target support for Chrome and then claim that any other browser that doesn't just work is 'broken'.

Google doesn't even follow web standards half the time.

 

[MrJM]

I’ve noticed safari has been a bit unreliable recently (pages not loading properly, generally sluggish, crashing etc). Used to be really good and now it just seems a bit pants!

 

[TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️]

Auto Fill and Multi-full authenticator need lots of love. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn’t 😡

Also, Not going to lie safari has been making my iPhone and Mac running hot.

 

[MayaUser]

"

Safari Team Asks for Feedback"​

So Apple should pay the people who make the feedback or how back in the days people were called quality assurance and were payed....now companies wants for free, their customers to test and gave the feedback and bugs ...

 

[dugbug]

If anyone on their team asks for feedback, they should do it with humility instead of that tone and then rebuking people for bringing up old stuff. Very off putting and increases the resentment.

In any case, one example is that they need to work with their cloud team and fix the cloud tabs sync issue once and for all. Yeah, that's bringing up old bugs that THEY STILL HAVE NOT FIXED.

Or are the people the real bugs?

She was asking folks to not relive old arguments about now fixed bugs. She later clarified

By “pointing to bugs from several years ago” I definitely meant bugs that have already been fixed. Sorry. If it’s several years old and not fixed, do ping with a http://bugs.webkit.org link or Feedback number (if you filed at http://feedbackassistant.Apple.com). I’d like to look into it.

 

[troublador]

Safari has limped to version 15. Chrome is on version 98. Firefox is on version 97. That speaks volumes. Safari is underdeveloped compared to its rivals.

 

[e1me5]

They should make it snappier!??

 

[djstile]

Feel they're going to have issues with the second point. They're a multi-trillion dollar company, asking for unpaid help and then gate keeping on feedback isn't gonna happen anyway. Just ignore the problem if you know its been resolved, or offer incentives for those issues which are accurately reported and help them move forward.

Agree. They are (or were recently) the richest company in the world (or very close to it). No matter the size of the current team, hire more QA and offer bug bounty type programs to users who report unique bugs. It's not a user's job to know whether a bug has already been fixed or something - it's the developer company.

 

[Kylo83]

Only reason I still use chrome is for live streaming on Facebook etc, why can’t safari still not be used for live streaming

 

[gank41]

I've been harping on their SideBar depreciation for a while now (FB9493574). The SideBar used to run up to the Favorites Bar, not the top of the app itself. It used to remember exactly where it was when last used on the Start page. Now the SideBar's reset every time you collapse it and reopen it again. And when you're relying on getting at months old links saved to your Reading List and it's now 5 Clicks (if you count clicking in the Search Field) instead of just opening a New Tab (One Click) and then clicking in the Search Field that's still, there from the last time you were on your Start page because it remembered.

The Start Page used to be GREAT! The SideBar remembering exactly where you were, even if you had scrolled thru a few months of links in your Reading List, AND the rest of the new additions to the Start Page and the device syncing along with the background image sync.. Just good stuff. But now with the SideBar changes, Safari's seemingly forced to be made to be in compliance with Apple's own Human Interface Guidelines, and now the SideBar no longer remembers where it was when I used it last. And I don't want to keep it open all the time, either. It used to JUST stay open on the Start Page and then would go away after clicking on a link or navigating away, allowing you to utilize the rest of your screen space. Safari is still better for me than the others, though. I do use Edge for work...

 

[ghostface147]

Allow ublock origin. Also, it sucks on the admin.microsoft.com website when trying to change permissions or other things. Pages take forever to load, as do other things. Those things don't happen on Chrome.

 

[Sophisticatednut]

How about having usable plugins like chrome or Firefox?

 

[james2538]

I'm about to completely give up on Safari. I constantly have issues where pages won't fully load unless I switch screens or click on the address bar. Sometimes it refuses to scroll down even though the scroll bar is there. Other times Google search result links won't even be clickable.

It feels like OS X now requires me to go back to my old Windows 9x habit of yearly formats and re-installs to prevent random issues from popping up.

 

[brio]

People complaining have obviously never used an alternative browser:

• Chrome is awful regarding privacy and resources management
• Firefox is just too slow and buggy, and ads are coming
• Edge is hmm... packed with useless stuff and is starting to become the next IE
• Brave: using crypto, rewards, incentives and ads isn't my vision of a web browser
• Opera is now infiltrated with Microsoft services (spywar)
• Vivaldi: same things as Opera but even worst (Google, Amazon, Bing, …)

It's a chance Apple is providing an alternative browser, otherwise, personally, I don't know how I would do.

 

[canadianreader]

They had months of beta testing and feedbacks prior releasing the new Safari/iOS/macOS yet it's been buggy, issues with tabs, Webkit indexedDB, now Siri sharing private voice queries with Apple without the user's consent. It's not Safari becoming the new IE I'd say Apple becoming the new Microsoft.

 

[Cosmosent]

It will be interesting to see if Apple has anymore success with this than third-party App Developers who can't get User Reviews (with Feedback) for their apps.

 

[maternidad]

Jen Simmons made a correction to the second tweet, which is rightfully mentioned in the article (although perhaps not as prominently as it should, given the abundance of confusion):

https://twitter.com/x/status/1491113783838019584

 

[brio]

I think most of the complaints are coming from developers. I'm just a good ol' regular user and Safari works fine for my web browsing needs ?

Exactly, frontend devs are the worst. They just want their crappy JS code to work without any efforts, and that's true Chrome - and Chrome-based browsers - are more permissive on those aspects.

 

[canadianreader]

Up until this last vulnerability I used Safari exclusively on all my Apple devices then switched to Firefox and haven't gone back yet.

Would never consider Chrome.

Same here and it's been great.