I switched from Chrome to Safari a little over a year ago on iOS and macOS. Probably one of the best decisions I’ve ever made and I’m not sure what took me so long. iOS 15 and macOS Monterey made it even better - change my mind. And yes, I tried many others, but I landed on Safari as the overall best. “New IE” is straight up incorrect.
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Safari Team Asks for Feedback Amid Accusations That 'Safari Is the Worst, It's the New IE'
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Just goes to show that the Safari team at Apple lives in a bubble and doesn’t really USE Safari on a daily basis.
It doesn’t take long for anyone using it to discover its shortcomings
It doesn’t take long for anyone using it to discover its shortcomings
only that some people keep brining up old stuff like it is still a problem, and their tone and lack of humility! Your second point makes sense if it is not fixed, wonder why it works for me though
Exactly. I'm still surprised that Microsoft and even Samsung caught onto this before Apple did.
I wish I could say something good all those Safari works as expected it just doesn't work with half of the websites out there. Sure you can search things just fine but if you wanna use anything that's business related you have to go to chrome unfortunately so if you're working in a kind of secure environment I guess because chroma so easy to develop for people are using that because it's cross platform. Sorry Lexi integration for many websites such as cell phone companies just to login and look at your account information a lot of the specialized graphics and functionality they use isn't supported in safari for some reason it doesn't show up etc. etc.. Applications like CRM's don't like safari as again there is a special integrated technology that allows certain things to happen in a webspace and safari won't let that happen I don't know where that security issues or just the company that's designing the software he's just lazy but I find myself having to use chrome or Firefox just to get into certain websites to do daily business and communicate with customers.
Apple's Safari and WebKit team has asked for feedback on Twitter amid criticisms of the browser's bugs and missing support.
Jen Simmons, an Apple Evangelist and developer advocate on the Web Developer Experience team for Safari and WebKit, Tweeted that "Everyone in my mentions [is] saying Safari is the worst, it's the new IE." This led her to ask users for feedback, preferably highlighting specific bugs and instances of missing support that inhibits websites and apps.
Simmons also urged users who notice bugs that are "several years old and not fixed" to contact her with a link from bugs.webkit.org or a Feedback number from Apple's Feedback Assistant so it can be looked into more closely. The call for feedback has largely been received positively.
Safari has been met with complaints from some users in recent years over the browser's bugs, user experience, and website compatibility. The problems reached fever pitch last year when Apple unveiled a substantial redesign for Safari at WWDC, which was met with widespread criticism that accused the changes of being "counterintuitive." After months of tweaking the ambitious redesign in response to feedback, Apple eventually gave up on the changes just before the public release of iOS 15, iPadOS 15, and macOS Monterey, reverting to the previous Safari design by default.
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The greyed out tabs is crazy. Difficult to see.
Safari has had a PDF viewer since version 1.0.
I have noticed that websites which use a lot of trackers freeze and crash in newer versions of Safari as the trackers are blocked. Not sure who is to blame there though...
My main gripe with Safari (which I do use on iPhone, and prefer to use on Mac) is that I have to have a second browser on-hand for sites that don't work in it. I don't want to be switching back and forth between browsers, so I often find I leave Safari closed and just operate via Firefox on Mac. But then I prefer Safari on iOS, so I'm faced with either not having my tabs and other info sync, or using Firefox on iOS as well. So it's just a mess of switching browsers and things not syncing depending on which browser I use for what.
I suppose a lot of that could be fixed by Safari adopting web standards faster. They consistently score the lowest. Technically not a "bug" to report, but more of a process or focus change.
Additionally, real extensions would be a good move in the right direction. uBlock origin on Firefox is way lighter than having to also run a separate app (in my case, Adguard) for Safari.
I also feel like de-coupling Safari updates from OS updates would go a long way towards helping.
I suppose a lot of that could be fixed by Safari adopting web standards faster. They consistently score the lowest. Technically not a "bug" to report, but more of a process or focus change.
Additionally, real extensions would be a good move in the right direction. uBlock origin on Firefox is way lighter than having to also run a separate app (in my case, Adguard) for Safari.
I also feel like de-coupling Safari updates from OS updates would go a long way towards helping.
On MacOS: Fact check true
On iOS: easily the best
It's actually kind of wild.
Ironically, I've switched from Chrome to Edge over the past few months on MacOS and I find it to be vastly superior to anything. Microsoft finally learned their lesson and I guess it's time for Apple to step up to the plate.
On iOS: easily the best
It's actually kind of wild.
Ironically, I've switched from Chrome to Edge over the past few months on MacOS and I find it to be vastly superior to anything. Microsoft finally learned their lesson and I guess it's time for Apple to step up to the plate.
In my experience Safari is generally incredibly robust, thoughtfully designed and pleasing to use throughout the day - whether that’s on my iPhone, iMac or iPad.
I would say one area that could use some work is how iCloud-synced elements are processed. For example – editing bookmarks or adding a small number of pages to my Reading List always seems to bog down my processor for a minute.
Other than that, Safari is slick, speedy and gets out of the way – kilometres better than the old days of flaky unstable Internet Explorer on Mac OS 9 & (early) X.
I would say one area that could use some work is how iCloud-synced elements are processed. For example – editing bookmarks or adding a small number of pages to my Reading List always seems to bog down my processor for a minute.
Other than that, Safari is slick, speedy and gets out of the way – kilometres better than the old days of flaky unstable Internet Explorer on Mac OS 9 & (early) X.
Seriously? that is so funny, no PDF viewer? There is a very good one built in. Chrome uses less memory than Safari? That is totally new. Are you talking on Windows? some of your web sites (there are some that restrict what browsers can be used because their staff does not want to test on any others, I know, right? but it is still a thing)
As I understand it, she's working on the "webkit" side of things, Webkit being the engine that power Safari and "draw" the webpages on your screen. I don't think that specific OS features are part of that request (general interface, tab bar position, cloud sync, etc.) I think they are asking for rendering bugs or unsupported (or unreliable?) features (things like subgrids, webvr/XR, other)
As a web developer, I’d say the Webkit team is doing a pretty good job (and I think most people do agree there - most browsers are based on webkit [or a fork of webkit] these days).
I’d argue that Google Chrome is the new IE - Google is pushing proprietary technologies that just benefit them instead of following the standards & stuff... And they are getting away with it because they're the "most popular" one. Most sites I see that are not working correctly in Safari are this way because their dev didn't follow the standards and are building only for Chrome without event trying them in anything else...
As a web developer, I’d say the Webkit team is doing a pretty good job (and I think most people do agree there - most browsers are based on webkit [or a fork of webkit] these days).
I’d argue that Google Chrome is the new IE - Google is pushing proprietary technologies that just benefit them instead of following the standards & stuff... And they are getting away with it because they're the "most popular" one. Most sites I see that are not working correctly in Safari are this way because their dev didn't follow the standards and are building only for Chrome without event trying them in anything else...
That's fine, but the point of this whole thing is to ARTICULATE why you don't like it. Is this really that hard?
In Safari go to menu Bookmarks -> Show Bookmarks you can drag drop and create folders etc with secondary click.
Since I run Windows 10 21H2 at home, I really can't say when it comes desktop browser where Safari is any good. But on my iPad Pro 10.5" I'm not a fan of Safari, since the user interface is not a intuitive as the Google Chrome "wrapper" for WebKit under iPadOS 15.3.
My only criticism for Safari is the way it handles and displays PDFs. It's like it hates them. Everytime I try to open one on my Mac in Safari, it either won't load, loads a blank page or freezes. It's so annoying. I do however like the new UI on iOS.
It boggles the mind how anyone can think safari is anything but trash. Sure it good on iOS and Mac, forcing websites and developers to support obscure things nobody uses and incredibly slow to update and implement modern functions.
But in Windows, the platform covering 80%+ of all users can’t use safari since 2012. This is the the infuriating part.
As we get stuck to use chrome with spyware. chrome based browser with less spyware or Firefox
But in Windows, the platform covering 80%+ of all users can’t use safari since 2012. This is the the infuriating part.
As we get stuck to use chrome with spyware. chrome based browser with less spyware or Firefox
I use Safari as my main browser and have for years. I mostly find it great, but I have a few complaints:
1. Lack of browser extensions. I get that extensions are a privacy issue (esp with fingerprinting), but there's gotta be a better way to get more plugins into Safari.
2. Safari seems... directionless. The whole saga over the redesign last summer just highlights this issue. Apple doesn't seem to know where Safari is meant to go. What's the plan for Safari? Is it meant to be the fastest, most reliable, most compatible, most functional, or what? I have no idea.
1. Lack of browser extensions. I get that extensions are a privacy issue (esp with fingerprinting), but there's gotta be a better way to get more plugins into Safari.
2. Safari seems... directionless. The whole saga over the redesign last summer just highlights this issue. Apple doesn't seem to know where Safari is meant to go. What's the plan for Safari? Is it meant to be the fastest, most reliable, most compatible, most functional, or what? I have no idea.
Safari has a PDF viewer. I view PDFs in Safari all the time. (I don't have Adobe or any other PDF reader installed.)
They do...
