Didn't MS get away with it ultimately though. They just got a slap on the wrist and a "we're watching you" threat.
So now, Vista has bundled defragger, RAM Disk cacher, and Security Suite...but just a bit more "careful" about it. hehe
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Didn't MS get away with it ultimately though. They just got a slap on the wrist and a "we're watching you" threat.
So now, Vista has bundled defragger, RAM Disk cacher, and Security Suite...but just a bit more "careful" about it. hehe
There's nothing wrong with liking Apple's products, and really, you should like all the products you buy. But assuming that Mac users are somehow more intelligent, more enlightened or even just lead better lives is exactly why the Mac user stereotype is one of elitism, snobbishness and arrogance. Using a Mac does not make you any better or worse than someone who uses a PC.I happen to own Macs and am very intelligent and aware, it is because of that that I have come to appreciate Macs so much
And the fanboy comment, I don't ever dismiss a product or technology unless I have used it and experienced it first hand with an open mind and yes, I love Apple products because of all the products I have used I find them to be the most fun, easiest to use, most capable and creative and beautifully designed in pretty much every aspect.
Oops, I didn't realize I was double posting in the same thread, sorry mod!
One of Apple's major selling points is design and ease of use, so what's to say that mac users can't be just as ignorant (or more so) just to avoid problems coming from computer illiteracy and have a nice looking computer? There's nothing about buying a Mac that automatically makes you tech-savvy.
PCs are (currently) much better at gaming and business integration, and having several manufacturers on the pc market, you get more choices to fit your own needs in terms of hardware, form and function (e.g. Tablets, netbooks, midrange headless tower). Buying PCs will almost always get you more value for the money in terms of hardware, so it might just be a rational decision buying a PC for most.
But the PC user stereotype you describe is very much existant, I know plenty of people just like that, buying PCs just because that's what they're used to and that's the cheapest option, them not wanting to pay more than they have to just to use it. So I'd say the reason average Joe computer consumer chooses PC is the cost. Apple is a high margin company, many PC manufacturers are not.
Sure, I get many people switching to Macs right now because of the obsolete state of XP and the Vista failboat and who knows what the future holds... Snow Leopard with OpenCL and Windows 7 as a viable successor to XP or perhaps even Linux gaining popularity due to exposure from the netbook market? Time will tell.
For what it's worth, some of those average Joe computer consumers really baffle me. I'm having a hard time understanding how you cannot be able to comprehend or want to comprehend the very basic usage of something that's so integrated in your life.
TL;DR: I also see your point, but buying a PC instead of a Mac can very much so be a conscious decision taking cost, choice and function needs into account.
Goes to show 90 percent of users just use a computer they dont even look into other browsers because they dont know about them. On mac go Safari on a pc I go Firefox safari is unstable on a PC perfect on a mac!
Where did you get that? I always thought Mac users were imbeciles who can't use more than one button on a mouse.
That was prior to 2005. Once the Mighty Mouse was introduced, Mac users became arrogant elitists.Where did you get that? I always thought Mac users were imbeciles who can't use more than one button on a mouse.
IPhones are a phenomenon with their big screen and intuitive UI. And they also included all those internet apps right "in your face" as part of their partnerships with whoever so that's why you got some many hits for a "mobile device" even though the first mobile browsers were around WAY before Jobs woke up with the idea. But other mobile's were too small and or browser sucked that ppl don't really mess around with it much.
I think "IE users" are enjoying all the games rather than browsing the web. Those net applications users in that graph are prolly mostly ppl paying their bills. So...naturally, those are the ppl you want to "program" for!
We do adjust our sites for IE6 because there are IE6 users. But I smell that there are IE6 users because we adapt our sites, so if we don't adapt our sites we won't have more IE6 users.
The same happens with flash and other plugins. Guy A cannot watch site C because he needs a software upgrade. He clicks install and accept. That's all!
I guess every time you use IE God kills a kitty and you loose a neurone. So using this invented reason: Using a Mac does not make you any better, but using IE makes Mac users better than you when time tends to years and amount of neurones and kitties tends to zero.
Since IE is still 70% market share according to this, maybe Apple might like to make MobileMe compliant with IE7? Are they waiting for IE8? Or just purposefully being anti-microsoft?
This is coming from me on IE7 at work, where Me mail is slow as anything, and the calandar is just unuseable. The idea of a web-based mail/calendar is that you can use it anywhere: work, internet cafes, any pc or mac you come across. Currently it doesn't work properly on 70% of machines which you might not have the rights to go installing other browsers on.
P.S. No I don't use IE at home, but that's a choice I'm free to make, unlike millions of PCs where you have to use what's already on them.
You can install firefox, safari, opera, chrome,.... you can choose many browsers. Don't worry if other programs do not work as browsers, perhaps they were never intended to do so.
The same as you watch youtube and it ask you for a new flash version and you install it. Do the same with your browser.
There's more to it than that.
Analysts: IE entrenched in the enterprise
I can tell you from hard experience that it sometimes takes years for companies to adopt something new. It's not that they don't know what they are doing. It's because of the amount of dependencies they have built up around it. It takes time and resources to make a major move. Large corps can take 2-3 years to adopt a platform...and these days...the "browser" IS one such platform.
All you people who knock IE do so because you think that Microsoft puts you (the consumer) first. Or maybe you think they actually neglect you but they should rather consider you more.
But the truth is that they develop primarily to satisfy businesses and you are a second thought. There are so many intranet / server / sharepoint / exchange apps in existence that IE6, IE7, and whatever IE are needed in order for operations to continue.
Also, remember that businesses PAY for their software. People like you (the consumers) steal Microsoft's products! So as an MS Excec who would you cater to first?
In due time IE6 will be converted and Windows 2000 will drop from that chart. But I'm sure there will still be a few shops sporting these for various reasons. I can also tell you this from hard experience that there are even a lot of Windows 2000 / NT still around that are definitely not part of that internet graph. They run many of the machines that make most of the things you use...including the majority of your Mac!
Robots don't surf the internet but they do have IE6- to bring up service instructions or whatever for technicians. Safari on the iPhone is so stripped down and basic (it does everything that it needs to do) so tell me why I need another web browser for my iPhone when Safari is awesome?
Also, if you look at the actual stats there is a distinction made between Safari (which refers to Mac OS X Safari) and iPhone (Safari on iPhone).
With the sheer number of hardcore Windows fanboys who won't believe that there is an alternative to Microsoft and who apologise for all the bugs, crashes and delays that Microsoft serves up, while at the same time calling Mac users every insult under the sun, that coupled with Apple products being purely awesome.......honestly, can you blame us for feeling superior to Windows users?
You could say the same for the Mac or PC versions as well. Firefox is simply better. I'd also like to have a flash option.
Really? Mobile Safari is by far the most unstable browser I've ever used. It crashes on a regular basis ffs. And it's been like that since 1.0.
This is just nonsense. Net Applications does NOT describe anything. At best, they are showing stats for the companies that use their services. But seeing as they actively edit and manipulate their numbers to make them look the way they want them to, they can't be trusted to represent anything.
I have no idea why "journalists" keep uncritically repeating the lies from Net Applications.
Opera Mini does. Opera Mobile doesn't. Opera Mini is a fairly new browser. Both Opera and Nokia offered full browsing ages before the iPhone, though.
So only old phones need a browser that is actually faster and cheaper, especially if you pay per MB and you don't have perfect network coverage?
These days, a lot of people will never see full mobile network speeds. In those cases, Opera Mini will still be fast while Safari and other standalone browsers will struggle.
So there's definitely a real need for browsers like Opera Mini.
Very true. And oddly, the browser isn't always what you expect.
For example, Verizon (NYNEX at the time) used Netscape Navigator as their standard browser from about 1995 to almost 2002.
All their major web apps were written for Navigator and it wasn't until Netscape failed to evolve their browser that they finally made the expensive move to IE, having to redo everything.
Since the iPhone only offers one browser, it's a strike against it for enterprise use in some cases. They can't just rewrite all old apps to fit Safari. The same applies for IE mobile.
And IE Mobile was one of the worst browsers since the beginning practically.
I don't imagine is it really hard to make a browser app compared to all the other stuff Microsoft does.
So, although I'm not personally aware of Mobile IE Apps, I'm guessing that there are some MS Apps as well as custom apps around which IE Mobile was designed for.
I mean, "Youtube" isn't a major necessity of corporations...and as a matter of fact, I'm sure managers would not want it on ppl's phones PERIOD and try to lock stuff like that out when they can.
On the iPhone Browser note...and the iPhone large screen itself, those stats speak for themselves. Now you KNOW that there are less iPhones in circulation than WM devices or Blackberries or definitely Symbian. But the iPhone just knocks the others off the chart practically.
I can admit that there are the type of Mac users that have never messed with PCs and are ignorant in the tech spectrum of things, however, I think in general, the rising generation of "switchers" is well informed hence causing their switch.
Now I never said that I am better than a PC user, but my computer with its OS is better
It may sound harsh and I understand what you are saying, but the fact is, its like owning a Honda Accord, which is a great well designed and nice looking car that packs a good bang for the buck versus owning a Mercedes. Or if you will, for the PC hot-roders and hardware gamers, it is like they build a kit car that they can tweak and soup up because they can't afford a real Ferrari.I can admit that there are the type of Mac users that have never messed with PCs and are ignorant in the tech spectrum of things, however, I think in general, the rising generation of "switchers" is well informed hence causing their switch.
Now I never said that I am better than a PC user, but my computer with its OS is better
Actually, high end gaming rigs are a lot more expensive than your average Mac. Unless you're talking about souped up upgraded Mac Desktops. But then the high price of that Mac is because they are ripping you off in the upgrades. LOL
Even on my PC I don't use IE. I use Google Chrome, while it still has a few bugs that need be worked out, it works great and is fast.
On my Mac I use Safari and it works really great for me.
On my Mac I use Safari and it works really great for me.
Where do you get that from? LOL
The function of a computer goes much beyond "the internet", ya know.
But I guess many "Mac users" in a forum like this are limited mostly using the internet so they don't know what PC life is like.
PC users copy games and applications from each other...including Windows itself! So "the internet" is just one of those "quick launch things" you go to sometimes to find info on how to play your games and use your software. Just go to China and you'll see $10,000 worth of software installed on something they pieced together for $500!
Only 244 Genuine Copies of Windows Vista Sold in China
And Linux advocates are always touting "free software"...phht. In a regions of 4 billion people who have "free Windows OS and software", who needs Open Source? Going forward, expect A LOT more Internet Explorers. Out of 4 billion ppl, some of them's got to have their own hacks and personal Microsoft Activation Servers. These ppl are smart when it comes to things like this. I mean, if you look at some of the Advance US Defense projects, most of the lead scientists have Chinese names, even as you'd think it's mostly "white dudes". I guess the "best" ones get a ticket to this place for "a better life" or something. I suppose that leaves the others back there pirating US stuff. haha