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I have used Grok on several occasions, and found it quite disappointing. Stories you hear from how it praises Elon and aligns itself with n*zis don’t help either.
Yep, there are always going to be stories from haters and competitors, because the haters and competitors know most people will just soak it up and not verify.
 
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Yep, there are always going to be stories from haters and competitors, because the haters and competitors know most people will just soak it up and not verify.
Gosh, darn it, I guess the only way we can know whether these stories are true is to use the tool. How convenient! "Grok, is this true? Answer only in dank memes."
 
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It’s actually quite easy to run locally if you use it at your computer, something to try out I think. I was surprised how well it worked. Depending on what you use it for of course.
 
I have a feeling Google will eventually lead the A.I space.
They have the resources, money and talent.

It doesn't hurt having Apple on board either.
 
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Why? Its far better then chatGPT and the best coding AI I have used to date and Ive used nearly all of them. Just because you dislike the CEO doesn't mean you cant use and benefit from his product.
lol…especially if you agree with its advice about killing all Jews to save musk.
The trouble with AI is that it has no soul.
 
Generative AI that uses training models full of copyrighted material without permission should be illegal. And don't try to use the "transformative" argument. If someone clear-cut a forest illegally and then transformed the wood into furniture, the transformation would be irrelevant from a legal standpoint.
 
Or maybe apply Occam’s Razor - Grok is simply not that good, similar to Meta’s Llama. The main threats to OpenAI are Anthropic and Google.

Grok is around the same level as Deepseek and other Chinese models - which is far more compelling options as they are open weight.
Based on what? My personal anecdotes aside Grok wins out on many objective studies and analysis, heres an example:

Even ones where it loses to ChatGPT it is close second with Llama and deepseek being way on the bottom. Anyone claiming Grok to not be good hasn't used it. Nearly every time I use ChatGPT or Claude I need to follow up 2-3 times before I get complicated code that I asked for to run correctly. Its typically one and done with Grok (at the cost of it being slower)

You're talking about a tool, who once considered itself MechaHitler, that considers absolute genocide to Jewish people to be more ethical than ending a bigot who is making the world a worse place.

It's a Nazi tool run by a Nazi. Not that complicated
Oh no an AI on Twitter went rouge for a few hours because it isnt super censored like every other AI platform, the horrors! Thats definitely why I should shoot myself in the foot and use inferior tools.

You know what else was a "nazi tool run by a nazi" literally the entire moon landing program (Wernher Von Braun). And unlike Musk who falls under the "everyone I dont like is a nazi" political discourse of children, he held the rank of Sturmbannführer in the SS (roughly the equivalent of a major) and he used the rockets he developed for hitler to get us to the moon.

But once again this hasn't happened only to Grok, this happened to Microsoft's AI:

It happened with openAI:

Gemeni:

Its very obvious to anyone objective you and others like you on this thread are so blinded by your hatred of Musk (I dont even like the guy but Starlink and Grok are GOAT) that you are not to be taken seriously.
 
Your entire post is pure hyperbole in addition to twisting the story. Grok did not say to kill all of the jews, rather it responded to a hypothetical ethical dilemma and theres nothing wrong with that. Nobody should be taking their ethics or morality from a chatbot, that is pure foolishness, that is what God and religions is for.

ChatGPT, Claude, etc come out and say horrible and ridiculous things all the time, its only because its related to Elon that anyone suddenly pretends to care. Like look at how ChatGPT talks about the genocide in Palestine vs Grok and compare that to the actual facts on the ground.

At the end of the day AI is a tool, I use it to code and my business and Grok outperforms all of them by a mile.

The point is more that the owner can influence the training data according to their will.

Similarly, ask DeepSeek about Tiananmen Square.

Note: used to work on pre-AI political statistics and influence networks. If you think any of these models don't have at least a vendor bias you probably need to think harder.

They are all dangerous
 
Generative AI that uses training models full of copyrighted material without permission should be illegal. And don't try to use the "transformative" argument. If someone clear-cut a forest illegally and then transformed the wood into furniture, the transformation would be irrelevant from a legal standpoint.
Copyright laws are stupid and its why now when you buy software/movies/music you don't actually own it and they can revoke your "license" at any time.
 
The point is more that the owner can influence the training data according to their will.

Similarly, ask DeepSeek about Tiananmen Square.

Note: used to work on pre-AI political statistics and influence networks. If you think any of these models don't have at least a vendor bias you probably need to think harder.
Of course they all do. Its like the media, youll never have a 100% unbiased source, its not possible. But if you are using AI as a tool for working what does that matter, I want the best results, period.
 
Of course they all do. Its like the media, youll never have a 100% unbiased source, its not possible. But if you are using AI as a tool for working what does that matter, I want the best results, period.

And how do you evaluate which provides the "best" results?

That one is a really hard question to answer so I suspect you're taking shortcuts and therefore subject to self-bias, which makes your argument moot.
 
The real issue is that the people willingness to pay is maybe far less than anticipated. On top of that there is an MIT report saying 95% of companies trying to implement AI see no ROI. Someone should be worried.
 
And how do you evaluate which provides the "best" results?

That one is a really hard question to answer so I suspect you're taking shortcuts and therefore subject to self-bias, which makes your argument moot.
I use AI 99% of the time for coding. So its very easy to answer this objectively. When I ask a question how often does it do the task I tell it to do right the first time with good, clean, easy to understand code.

I am a Senior iOS Engineer with over a decade of experience and countless years of experience reviewing code.

Using the exact same prompt for all
OpenAI/ChatGPT
: Very very rarely gets Swift/SwiftUI code right the first time, especially for 3rd party packages like Parse-Swift. Usually at least 2-3 errors and requires 3-4 follow up prompts to get to what I actually wanted.

Claude: For simple code or small tasks it gets right usually the first time. For larger tasks it has a tendency to delete code or overwrite critical pieces and make mistakes like that but code wise is usually good.

Grok: Works the first time in like 90% of cases, Even for extremely long / challenging pieces of code I typically end up with maximum 1-2 errors and usually syntax (where it assumed I named a variable something different)

Now I have not tried Gemini 3 yet, my experience with Gemeni 1 and 2 were frankly horredous but I will test them some time later this week.

I have no bias when it comes to AI because I frankly don't care who makes it, I just want a good working tool. I used to pay only for ChatGPT, then I paid for Claude for awhile, now I am paying for Grok and if Gemeni 3 blows my socks off Ill pay for it instead of Grok. We live in exciting times where there is crazy competition in the field, being a fanboy is foolish.

Heres a screenshot of my Xcode setup:
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Based on what? My personal anecdotes aside Grok wins out on many objective studies and analysis, heres an example:

Even ones where it loses to ChatGPT it is close second with Llama and deepseek being way on the bottom. Anyone claiming Grok to not be good hasn't used it. Nearly every time I use ChatGPT or Claude I need to follow up 2-3 times before I get complicated code that I asked for to run correctly. Its typically one and done with Grok (at the cost of it being slower)


Oh no an AI on Twitter went rouge for a few hours because it isnt super censored like every other AI platform, the horrors! Thats definitely why I should shoot myself in the foot and use inferior tools.

You know what else was a "nazi tool run by a nazi" literally the entire moon landing program (Wernher Von Braun). And unlike Musk who falls under the "everyone I dont like is a nazi" political discourse of children, he held the rank of Sturmbannführer in the SS (roughly the equivalent of a major) and he used the rockets he developed for hitler to get us to the moon.

But once again this hasn't happened only to Grok, this happened to Microsoft's AI:

It happened with openAI:

Gemeni:

Its very obvious to anyone objective you and others like you on this thread are so blinded by your hatred of Musk (I dont even like the guy but Starlink and Grok are GOAT) that you are not to be taken seriously.

Von Braun is decomposing and Musk is in control of an AI while delusionally thinking the declining white population is one of the greatest threats in the world.

But yes thank you for bringing up the other AI examples of them regurgitating bile and praising Nazis. It's a garbage industry. Only one of the people are the worlds wealthiest and extremely bigoted (and also a complete moron). So it's simple as to why Musk is hated more than the others.
 
Copyright laws are stupid and its why now when you buy software/movies/music you don't actually own it and they can revoke your "license" at any time.
That's like saying private property laws are stupid. Same difference. You can't have private property without government, laws, law enforcement and a judicial system.
 
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Oh no an AI on Twitter went rouge for a few hours because it isnt super censored like every other AI platform, the horrors! Thats definitely why I should shoot myself in the foot and use inferior tools.
Try saying the word "cis" on there.

You know what else was a "nazi tool run by a nazi" literally the entire moon landing program (Wernher Von Braun). And unlike Musk who falls under the "everyone I dont like is a nazi" political discourse of children, he held the rank of Sturmbannführer in the SS (roughly the equivalent of a major) and he used the rockets he developed for hitler to get us to the moon.

I gotta say, I admire the chutzpah of this defence: "Your Honour, my client may be a Nazi, but he is a lot like the industrious Nazis, not the regular Nazis." Genius, Mr Hutz.
 
Von Braun is decomposing and Musk is in control of an AI while delusionally thinking the declining white population is one of the greatest threats in the world.

But yes thank you for bringing up the other AI examples of them regurgitating bile and praising Nazis. It's a garbage industry. Only one of the people are the worlds wealthiest and extremely bigoted (and also a complete moron). So it's simple as to why Musk is hated more than the others.
The problem with people like you is you abuse the word racist, bigot, nazi to such a great extent that the word means absolutely nothing anymore.

Try saying the word "cis" on there.



I gotta say, I admire the chutzpah of this defence: "Your Honour, my client may be a Nazi, but he is a lot like the industrious Nazis, not the regular Nazis." Genius, Mr Hutz.
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What of it?

As for the second part, I am not a child so I don't call people that I dont like nazis to score political points. He isnt a nazi, the nazi party hasnt existed for nearly 80 years, and even his views are anti-thetical to the hard right. So I never called him a nazi, rather I was demonstrating hypocrisy where elon musk was being attacked falsely for being a nazi and that him and his products should disappear while he has no problem with massive scientific advances from an actual nazi
 
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He isnt a nazi, the nazi party hasnt existed for nearly 80 years,
"Your Honour, the assertion that my client is a Nazi is false; the Nazi Party hasn't been in operation for years. The last Party congress occurred on..."

... and even his views are anti-thetical to the hard right.

Grok, is this true? Sorry, Grok said that this is false.

So I never called him a nazi, rather I was demonstrating hypocrisy where elon musk was being attacked falsely for being a nazi and that him and his products should disappear while he has no problem with massive scientific advances from an actual nazi
Oh, I think there's a fundamental mistake being made here: I don't mean to imply that your industrious comparison holds water; that is, I don't think Elon is an industrious Nazi—he's just a regular one. So I have no problem with "massive scientific advances" because, well, I don't think he's made any for your comparison to even hold at that level.

I also already mentioned that we should drag other AI ghouls' feet to the fire as well. Starting with him doesn't imply that the focus should rest solely on him.
 
"Your Honour, the assertion that my client is a Nazi is false; the Nazi Party hasn't been in operation for years. The last Party congress occurred on..."



Grok, is this true? Sorry, Grok said that this is false.


Oh, I think there's a fundamental mistake being made here: I don't mean to imply that your industrious comparison holds water; that is, I don't think Elon is an industrious Nazi—he's just a regular one. So I have no problem with "massive scientific advances" because, well, I don't think he's made any for your comparison to even hold at that level.

I also already mentioned that we should drag other AI ghouls' feet to the fire as well. Starting with him doesn't imply that the focus should rest solely on him.
Yea the most succesful reusable rocket program in human history and being able to give internet access to the entire world especially the boonies is not worth a comparison.

Also once again using the term nazi without evidence for such an outrageous claim.

"Grok, is this true? Sorry, Grok said that this is false."
The guy is a libertarian he believes in mass legal immigration and has staunchly defending the H1B visa program. He called white nationalism "idiotic" and he is a huge champion of free markets.

By definition nazi ideology is "National Socialism" which is the complete opposite of his positions on most major issues. But again the problem with you and the other guy in this thread is you guys make words meaningless like how I was called an anti-semite despite being ethnically jewish.

Hey man, I'm just seeing that the sky is blue and saying that the sky is blue.
So then why dont you come and demonstrate to us HOW he is a nazi. And if you get that ridiclous picture of him sticking his hand out and saying "my heart to yours" which even the ADL admitted it was not the nazi salute then I will gladly show you a compilation of nearly every politican and celeberity doing the same gesture.

Objectively demonstrate he is a nazi or stop with the name calling. Attack the sin not the sinner.
 
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I use AI 99% of the time for coding. So its very easy to answer this objectively. When I ask a question how often does it do the task I tell it to do right the first time with good, clean, easy to understand code.

I am a Senior iOS Engineer with over a decade of experience and countless years of experience reviewing code.

Using the exact same prompt for all
OpenAI/ChatGPT
: Very very rarely gets Swift/SwiftUI code right the first time, especially for 3rd party packages like Parse-Swift. Usually at least 2-3 errors and requires 3-4 follow up prompts to get to what I actually wanted.

Claude: For simple code or small tasks it gets right usually the first time. For larger tasks it has a tendency to delete code or overwrite critical pieces and make mistakes like that but code wise is usually good.

Grok: Works the first time in like 90% of cases, Even for extremely long / challenging pieces of code I typically end up with maximum 1-2 errors and usually syntax (where it assumed I named a variable something different)

Now I have not tried Gemini 3 yet, my experience with Gemeni 1 and 2 were frankly horredous but I will test them some time later this week.

I have no bias when it comes to AI because I frankly don't care who makes it, I just want a good working tool. I used to pay only for ChatGPT, then I paid for Claude for awhile, now I am paying for Grok and if Gemeni 3 blows my socks off Ill pay for it instead of Grok. We live in exciting times where there is crazy competition in the field, being a fanboy is foolish.

Heres a screenshot of my Xcode setup:

About 30-odd years experience here on everything from avionics in defence sector, modelling software in fintech to systems and kernel programming in C.

The test isn't whether it does what you want 99% of the time. The test is maintaining this in 5 years. You're not there yet.

I'm keeping 20-30 year old stuff alive on a daily basis and the only thing that will save you is sensible abstractions and test cases and in no way does any AI solution come anywhere close to that. It's shortest path to hell. Claude produces some horrific stuff on a regular basis which I usually have to un****.

I have popcorn at the ready. Use any of these to fill holes you made, fine but let it pave your universe, hell no.
 
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