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Samsung Again Caught Inflating Benchmarking Scores, Phil Schiller Calls 'Shenanigans'

Jman13 said:
The current Geekbench 3 supports the A7 in 64-bit mode with all the ARMv8 instructions. The latest release was 9/17/13. The description in the app store says, "Geekbench 3 is now optimized for iOS 7 and includes full support for 64-bit processors."
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Thanks. I didn't realize that version three was the ARMv8 update.

Actually, 3.1.2 is the minimum version for 64bit benchmarks, according to the versioning on the iTunes App Store.
 
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calaverasgrande said:
yeah, well I can actually buy one of those.
Can't say the same for the 5s.
:rolleyes:
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You don't have the money to buy a 5s? Is that the problem? I walked into a carrier store on launch day at around 8pm and bought a 64GB Space grey iPhone 5S on the spot. Some multi-carrier stores had a couple of 16GB models left.

The key to getting an iPhone on launch day is to NOT go to the obvious places with the lineups but to go outside of the downtown core of the city you live in and find a carrier store that looks like it is often overlooked.

I got my 4S launch day in a mall carrier store away from the core and I got my 5S launch day from a carrier store in another mall this year. In both cases, the store was empty when I walked in.
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This technique comes from studying human behaviour and how most people tend to have a "herd" mentality and do things in a certain way rather that thinking outside of the box. You can apply these patterns to how people enter and leave a train/subway/bus and how they move through a mall.

I found that the majority of people completely bypassed the mall hallway where the carrier store I visited was which is why it still had phones.
 
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gpat said:
Does this seem more of a feature only to me?
When a particularly demanding task, like a benchmark, is executed, the CPU releases more power. I call this "efficiency".
And these numbers came out from the CPU's calculating power, not from nowhere.. how is this fake?
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No, the CPU only releases more power for benchmarks, and nothing else. Maybe you ought to read the article that was actually linked where the discovery was made.

Samsung has written a special command to artificially pump up the CPU ONLY when it detects a benchmark app. Not when the system demands more power. Its not like a turbo mode. Its a very deliberate instruction in the code to detect a benchmark, and then boost the SOC to give inflated results. This does not in any way effect the performance of the phone.

Its solely a deliberate attempt to get higher numbers on a benchmark test. Thats it. Something Samsung is shameless about, they're obsessed with a "who's got the biggest penis" sort of mentality.
 
I have to run home and get my broom!

Samsung, do you accept this decree of shenanigans? Well, that settles it, everybody grab a broom. It's shenanigans!

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Well I guess you can at least think your iPhone is fast, shame that the 5S only has 1GB of RAM, then again even if it had 3GB of RAM to actually make use of that 64bit iOS7 would still make it run like a phone from 1988! haha :D
 
gpat said:
Does this seem more of a feature only to me?
When a particularly demanding task, like a benchmark, is executed, the CPU releases more power. I call this "efficiency".
And these numbers came out from the CPU's calculating power, not from nowhere.. how is this fake?
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it is fake when there is no such speed during day to day usage. If the Phone can indeed speed up during demanding task then Yes this is real, otherwise this is BS.
 
Macboy Pro said:
The point is that Apple cheats on their claims also. IE. Show me a macbook pro with 7 hours of real battery life. PLEASE. I can't find one with 5 hours. But they claim 7. how is that different from Samsung tweaking their product to get the best benchmark in order to claim it.

Good grief I love Apple, but I can not stand the following of people who think Apple is the royal family of businesses. They are just a crooked as the rest and it is hypocritical to make the claim like this.
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Review from AnandTech:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6409/13inch-retina-macbook-pro-review/11
 
newagemac said:
Well that's perfectly fine as long as the Note's battery life and unbearable heat is reported the same way. So report the battery life of the Note as 30 minutes or whatever under intensive tasks while the iPhone 5S and LG G2 get 8 hours or so. And also report that unlike other phones when playing game so and so or other intensive tasks, the Note is unbearable to even hold in your hand.

How about that? What Samsung is trying to do here is have their cake and eat it too. And nobody is buying it.
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OK. Please do a real world test on Apple's iPhone 5s standby time of 255 hours and let me know how accurate it is.
 
lilo777 said:
You are plain wrong. It's not a benchmarking mode. here are other apps (camera app, for example) that the phone runs in this mode. On the MBPs with turbo mode, applications that task CPU for a significant period of time will also trigger disabling of turbo mode and they will not be run the same way the short running benchmarks are run. Is Apple cheating too?

The only legitimate issue here is that right now only Samsung can specify which apps may run in this "turbo" mode. But it sort of clear why they would not allow user to do it. Perhaps they might work with major app vendors to allow this mode for selected apps.
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The camera using this mode makes a lot of sense and I'd be willing to bet this type of code existed prior to the S4 and Note 3- just that it was modified to include benchmarking in these devices.

There's no denying that 1.) the camera runs hot when used - especially when shooting video and 2.) the stock camera is disabled at 10% or under battery but other camera apps can be used.

These two experiences prove, at least to me, that the app is running in a 'special' mode that requires more horsepower, a la what they are attempting to do on these benchmarking scores. Which also proves a real world usage, and NOT just to 'fake' benchmark scores.
 
apolloa said:
Apple executive Phil Schiller -- senior vice president of Worldwide Marketing and the most prolific tweeter amongst Apple's senior staff -- linked to the Ars article in a tweet, saying only "shenanigans".

Soooooo..... the executive Of Apple publically slanders it's biggest supplier of components, wow, School boy tit for tat is the Apple way these day's then? They are fast becoming even more hypocritical and truly unprofessional and immature than ever now.

I do hope one day samsung would just tell Apple to F Off! Or perhaps Apple feels it MUST slander the competition now seeing as iOS7 is an utter disaster and making people literally sick! Can't remember the last Galaxy smart phone that made people physically sick?

Oh and yeah I work for Samsung and get paid tons of moolah for posting stuff on here :rolleyes:
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It's actually even sadder if you don't get paid to post that stuff. ;)
 
This may be a bit fanboy-ish, but....

Michael Goff said:
64-bit is not innovation. -_-
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How is it not innovation? Read some of the 64-bit benchmarks floating around and how some app developers have leveraged it. It may sound like just specs on paper, but there is a significant speed increase in real world usage which will only keep getting more pronounced as apps are rewritten for 64-bit. I definitely notice it in a lot of audio/video creation apps I use.

What constitutes "innovation" for you? :rolleyes:

EDIT: see dugbug's post below.

Macboy Pro said:
The point is that Apple cheats on their claims also. IE. Show me a macbook pro with 7 hours of real battery life. PLEASE. I can't find one with 5 hours. But they claim 7. how is that different from Samsung tweaking their product to get the best benchmark in order to claim it.

Good grief I love Apple, but I can not stand the following of people who think Apple is the royal family of businesses. They are just a crooked as the rest and it is hypocritical to make the claim like this.
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I get 7 hours of battery life on a MacBook Pro that's approaching 3 years old. Also, look at the new MBA's. Reviews show that the 9-12 hours of battery life is no exaggeration.

GRouND ZeRo said:
I find Apple is a Joke when it comes down to "OUTDATING" perfectly working hardware.... I own a iPhone 3G and can't get any decent apps for it. I used to own a Dual Core Intel MacBook and tried to edit 1 hour worth of video(Firewire from Cannon DV Camera) and it took me over 5 HOURS to make a DVD! I literally gave the MacBook away!(It takes me less than an hour to import and burn a DVD with my PC!) I don't think others will see this other than a hole in their pocket!
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I really hope you're not being serious. On that same note, why won't my dad's iMac G3 from 1999 run OS X Mavericks? :mad:

The iPhone 3G is a mobile device that was released 5.5 years ago. With the pace of mobile hardware innovation nowadays, that's practically ancient. Technology is not going to wait for you. Hardware and software are constantly advancing and you just have to jump on the train.

Also, most newer apps require iOS 5.0 or later, but Apple added a feature to the App Store that allows you to download the "last compatible version" of the app that you're trying to get.

If you really are that hesitant to spend on an upgrade, you can get an 8 GB iPhone 4S, which is 3.5 years newer, and that will probably be supported through iOS 8, for FREE nowadays on contract. For $99 you can get a perfectly good 16 GB iPhone 5c. What's stopping you?
 
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Noctilux.95 said:
A few months ago both Kia and Huandai had to admit for inflating gas mileage ratings in their cars. I wonder if this is a nation wide practice?

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Not the same though anyway. Again - I don't excuse Samsung for cheating the tests - however cheating a benchmark on performance on a cell phone is not the same as cheating mileage ratings.

Cheated mileage ratings costs money if you choose their car over another because of fuel costs. Real money.
 
Michael Goff said:
64-bit is not innovation. -_-
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You think they doubled the performance at the same clock rate... by just adding 64-bit? They have an entire CPU design team and an architecture license with ARM (only other licensee I know of in the mobile space is qualcomm). There is a lot of innovation in JUST the A7, certainly more than snide forum posters care to understand.
 
gpat said:
Does this seem more of a feature only to me?
When a particularly demanding task, like a benchmark, is executed, the CPU releases more power. I call this "efficiency".
And these numbers came out from the CPU's calculating power, not from nowhere.. how is this fake?
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because the logic that scales the cpu to be faster doesn't do it based on workload it does it based on the name of the application. Sure this could be as you described except the only applications that are named to cause the cpu to increase speeds are benchmark programs. It would be a feature if it happened automatically with all apps
 
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