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Samsung Again Caught Inflating Benchmarking Scores, Phil Schiller Calls 'Shenanigans'

Rafterman said:
Why not add code to games that does what what the code in Android did? Its an open standard, the designers can probably do that if they can find the right calls.
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There's of course a good reason not to do this - your battery life will go down, maybe the device will overheat, and so on.

Processors in phones are not built to run as fast as possible. They are built to run as fast as possible while giving good battery life, lasting at least as long as the warranty, and not burning holes into your trouser pockets. Samsung could easily build a phone with a processor that is twice as fast. So could Apple. It would just not be a very good phone to own.
 
samcraig said:
It's not about numbers. It's about personal preference.

Both Samsung and Apple make outstanding phones. Both Android and iOS are excellent OSes. There are pluses and minuses to both hardware and software platforms.

Don't mix up your fantasy and reality. See what I did there?
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Amen. :)
 
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Like it did with its Galaxy S 4 smartphone, Samsung has once again been caught artificially increasing CPU speeds on its Galaxy Note 3 phone when benchmark apps are running, reports Ars Technica.

Samsung uses special code inside its operating system to identify benchmarking apps by name to boost CPU clock speeds and prevent CPU cores from entering low-power modes. As a result, Ars discovered, Galaxy Note 3 benchmarks report CPU performance roughly 20 percent faster than most apps will experience on the device.

Apple executive Phil Schiller -- senior vice president of Worldwide Marketing and the most prolific tweeter amongst Apple's senior staff -- linked to the Ars article in a tweet, saying only "shenanigans".

Article Link: Samsung Again Caught Inflating Benchmarking Scores, Phil Schiller Calls 'Shenanigans'
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They are NOT a reputable company. They never have been. The CEO was indicted on fraud charges and they parasitize off of other brands both on design and coping innovation while employing child and near slave labor to beat their competition only in price. I could not afford and I phone and got a galaxy s2 for free with a new contract. It was like an iPhone equivalent except navigation of the OS was more complicated than need be. That phone got stolen and I just can’t afford to replace it or even pay for cellular service at the moment. When I can, I’ll do it right and get something made to last, takes good pictures and easy to use not to mention superior security features and theft deterent. So far I have described and iphone. You will never get top notch cutting edge quality from them until they get their hands on it quick enough and attempt to repackage it themselves.
 
gpat said:
Does this seem more of a feature only to me?
When a particularly demanding task, like a benchmark, is executed, the CPU releases more power. I call this "efficiency".
And these numbers came out from the CPU's calculating power, not from nowhere.. how is this fake?
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The problem is that it does not do this for other apps. It only does it for benchmarking apps.
 
Rafterman said:
Like when Apple lied about the iPhone 4's signal strength problems being just faulty signal bar code?
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Did Apple get off scott-free with that? No. They took a lot of hurt in the press, Consumer Reports said they could not recommend the iPhone because of this (which no doubt caused a lot of lost sales) and Apple gave away free bumpers to everyone who owned an iPhone 4.

Samsung still needs it's punishment.
 
gpat said:
Does this seem more of a feature only to me?
When a particularly demanding task, like a benchmark, is executed, the CPU releases more power. I call this "efficiency".
And these numbers came out from the CPU's calculating power, not from nowhere.. how is this fake?
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Except that it boosts the CPU only when it detects that those specific programs are running, not when any program gives similar instructions. Ars Technical took GeekBench, essentially just changed the name to something the Note 3 didn't recognize, re-ran it, and got different results.
 
iAlphard said:
The ignorance level in this thread is too damn high and why the hell i even went here. Oh God why....
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Samsung is a spec-driven company. That's the problem with OEM's... They don't control the core technology so they build products to look good on paper.
 
Wow, it's not cheating people. It runs within specification, not above. And it's not modifying any geekbench 3 data file. It is called power management so the processor can run at maximum performance within specification to get maximum score. What is so wrong about that?
 
Getting popcorn, gonna watch the Samsung-defenders and apologists chime in on this one.

Predictably, they will turn it around and bring up some previous complaint against Apple, like something with the complaints against AppleCare warranties in China.... as if THAT has anything to do with defending Samsung's benchmarking lies LOL.
 
Count Blah said:
Excusing a deliberate attempt at deception says a lot about the dismisser.
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I am astonished that there are people who would pick a phone based on synthetic benchmark results. That is in no way excusing Samsung's deception, I never said any such thing, and I don't appreciate the implication.
 
I wonder why Samsung feels the need to show off tweaked results when the "personal experience" is what "really matters"?
 
bbeagle said:
Did Apple get off scott-free with that? No. They took a lot of hurt in the press, Consumer Reports said they could not recommend the iPhone because of this (which no doubt caused a lot of lost sales) and Apple gave away free bumpers to everyone who owned an iPhone 4.

Samsung still needs it's punishment.
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I would say a phone that has poor signal quality is a lot worse than shenanigans over benchmark tests.
 
TTile said:
If you're going to make an accusation you better have evidence to back it up...
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I'm pretty sure either AMD or Nvidea have been caught....

Few years ago, but one of them (I think AMD) was caught sneaking graphics effects down during certain benchmarks.

Perhaps someone can clarify this?

found some:

AMD Cheating?

http://www.pcauthority.com.au/Featu...s-and-degrading-game-quality-says-nvidia.aspx

INTEL Cheating ?

http://techreport.com/review/17732/...loy-questionable-3dmark-vantage-optimizations

NVIDEA Cheating?

http://www.geek.com/games/futuremark-confirms-nvidia-is-cheating-in-benchmark-553361/

APPLE Cheating ?
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/06/24/apple_accused_of_cheating_over/


Perhaps Samsung is not so different after all huh ?
 
stynkfysh said:
Anyone else notice that the Note 3's 'normal' mode has a higher overall score than the iPhone 5S? Per the results on MacWorld.com. I didn't buy Geekbench app and test myself. Only like 2 points though.
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yes, at twice the clock rate. Its a tradeoff requiring more power/heat dissipation. Really a shocking testament to how good the A7 w/ARMv8 is (assuming that's the 64-bit score you are looking at and not the 32)
 
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