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Yep, I'll sure never buy another Samsung product, they and the likes of them are knock off scum.

Support innovators, no one else.

You canNOT seriously buy a piece of electronic product without some of the money going to samsung.

There are different ways to measure how innovative a company is. One is # of patents granted by USPTO. Guess who's been in #2 spot lat 10+ years straight? And who just broke into top 50 last year?

http://www.ificlaims.com/news/top-patents.html
 
I recall some a story on MacRumors a couple of weeks ago about Apple wanting Samsung to make something for them. This since whoever was going to do it for Apple in the first place had weren't able to do it according to Apple's standards and needs.


A supplier here, a supplier there . . .
that's like saying
A phone maker here, a phone maker there . . .

Suppliers are dumb pipes. They'll implement whatever needs implementing in order to get Apple contracts, spend money that needs to be spent in order to accommodate Apple and reap the rewards later.

LG just recently cleaned up their act as well and are back on the LCD-supplier map.

From this:

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123912

Back to this:

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...sues_with_lcd_displays_for_apples_ipad_2.html

They can also expand capacity:

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/022311-tsmc-boosts-chip-production-on.html

http://news.worldofapple.com/archiv...plans-brazil-plant-expanding-ipad-production/
 
It is easy just don't by Samsung. Just because Apple has been able to show the world how great products will sell at high prices the rest who cannot, give them a hard time. Samsung are losing big time in the courts. I for one will never buy Samsung branded products again

Pretty much every apple (and other electronic product makers) product has samsung parts in it.

Apple LOST big time in Dutch court. Apple 'won' on shaky legal concept called
'Community Design'.
 
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Manufacturing is a symbiotic relationship

How many COMPONENTS are BUILT by Apple.

All companies rely on a supply chain.

So those wishing Samsung would just die off or not protect themselves are going to eventually hurt Apple in the long run with that line of thinking.
 
LOL cheap Korean labor? Have you ever been to Korea? Living there is more expensive than here.

Some of statements here are so blatantly one sided and ignorant it's hilarious. And no, I am not an Apple hater as I own iphones and ipads.

There GDP is 1/3 or 1/4 that of the US. There are expensive parts and very, very poor parts. This is true in a lot of the world..

Apple is playing a dangerous game. Samsung holds way more patents than Apple. Samsung manufactures parts in the iPhone. All phones look similar now.. Apple didn't invent the smartphone or touchscreen.

Samsung loses money if they actually halt the sale of the iPhone 5. They make more money selling iPhone parts than selling phones. No they will not magically sell more phones anywhere but possibly South Korea. The one playing the dangerous game is Samsung. I am sure the division making the screens and CPUs will ignore them playing games in South Korea, if the Mobile folks decide to expand, Samsung might collapse under the weight of the internal civil war that would unfold.


You canNOT seriously buy a piece of electronic product without some of the money going to samsung.

There are different ways to measure how innovative a company is. One is # of patents granted by USPTO. Guess who's been in #2 spot lat 10+ years straight? And who just broke into top 50 last year?

http://www.ificlaims.com/news/top-patents.html


That is no way to measure innovation. Both companies are innovative in different fields. Samsung has never been innovative in making mobile devices, but a lot of their components are very innovative.
 
for 2010 - don't forget to mention that. it just mean that samsung has been granted xxx patents in 2010. it doesn't mean they innovate, they might just try to patent in the US something they've invented and patented in Korea some time ago, to use it in the future lawsuits.

Samsung's been in #2 spot for 10+ years straight. They DO innovate.
 
This will not end well for anyone - not for Apple, Samsung, not even for consumers. Well, ok - lawyers will do just fine!

This is our legal system, pay to play. May the company with the best lawyers win. Anyone can sue anyone.

I find it interesting though that both are sueing the heck out of each other, yet Apple managed to ban some Samsung products, and NONE of Samsung's requests (request for early access to iPhone 5) has been honored. Things that make you go hmm...
 
There GDP is 1/3 or 1/4 that of the US. There are expensive parts and very, very poor parts. This is true in a lot of the world..


Samsung loses money if they actually halt the sale of the iPhone 5. They make more money selling iPhone parts than selling phones. No they will not magically sell more phones anywhere but possibly South Korea. The one playing the dangerous game is Samsung. I am sure the division making the screens and CPUs will ignore them playing games in South Korea, if the Mobile folks decide to expand, Samsung might collapse under the weight of the internal civil war that would unfold.

Not sure if you've been to S Korea physically. Btw, they have national health care. Not US.

Galaxy S2 ARE selling quite well.
http://gigjets.com/07/galaxy-s2-is-now-samsungs-fastest-selling-phone-breaks-predecessors-record/
 
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_3_4 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8K2 Safari/6533.18.5)

I want to see the judges face when Samsung sues to get paid for it's component orders but is not because apple can't make the devices because Samsung is suing them

That is the dangerous game they are playing. I believe it is possible for a conglomerate to become to big to survive.
 
Samsung is also invested in many areas that Apple just isn't. DVD/Blu-ray, TVs, Fridges/Microwaves/Ovens/Stoves and other appliances, Mobile phones/tablets, Computers, Laptops, components, Industrial machinery, etc.. etc..

So no, people saying Samsung aren't innovative, Samsung only copies, etc... are talking without actual knowledge. Just bashing what they perceive as an "ennemy".

Some may mistake 'Industrial machinery' here for some simple piece of machinery.

Think again. Here's Samsung Heavy Industries
http://www.shi.samsung.co.kr/Eng/default.aspx

They design/make/sell ships, no not a simple cargo carrier, but complex floating factories/processing plants that cost a few hundred millions each, some approaching half a billion $ each.

http://www.samsungvillage.com/blog/...housands-of-tons-of-steel-float-on-water.html
 
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Not sure if you've been to S Korea physically. Btw, they have national health care. Not US.

Galaxy S2 ARE selling quite well.
http://gigjets.com/07/galaxy-s2-is-now-samsungs-fastest-selling-phone-breaks-predecessors-record/


I have and neither of those items address my point. If you are there or have been there, you know what I said is true. Cost of living is higher than the US, GDP (per capita) is lower, median income is lower, mean income is lower. Poverty may have been a poor choice of words, but there is far less disposable income in Korea. Universal health care is fine and irrelevant to anything we were talking about. Since you mentioned it, if the South Korean government had to take on the full burden of defense from North Korea, how long would universal healthcare survive?

I am not sure how a story about a phone being Samsung's fastest selling phone is anyway relevant? Even if you exclude the US where it has not been sold, it is still being outsold by the well over a year old iPhone 4..
 
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There GDP is 1/3 or 1/4 that of the US. There are expensive parts and very, very poor parts. This is true in a lot of the world..



Samsung loses money if they actually halt the sale of the iPhone 5. They make more money selling iPhone parts than selling phones. No they will not magically sell more phones anywhere but possibly South Korea. The one playing the dangerous game is Samsung. I am sure the division making the screens and CPUs will ignore them playing games in South Korea, if the Mobile folks decide to expand, Samsung might collapse under the weight of the internal civil war that would unfold.


That is no way to measure innovation. Both companies are innovative in different fields. Samsung has never been innovative in making mobile devices, but a lot of their components are very innovative.

Not sure how GDP matters in this discussion.

Parts makers has low margin, say 10%. Apple on the other hand has 50% margin. Now if some company can make 30% margin selling complete phones and they have the ability to do it, what's wrong with it.

Sure there is a way to measure innovation. Apple says they are the most innovative company. Obviously they have something to measure it with.
 
Whatever's left, possibly.

Beyond that, no new Galaxy Tab 10.1 units.

http://androidcommunity.com/samsung-galaxy-tab-10-1-injunction-upheld-in-germany-20110909/

Unless you manage to import it.

Injunction only prohibits Samsung GmbH from importing said devices. Others, such as MediaMarkt are free (for now) doing so if they see fit. Ergo: Companies can (for now) restock all they want, they just need a different source to restock from.

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Suppliers are dumb pipes. They'll implement whatever needs implementing in order to get Apple contracts, spend money that needs to be spent in order to accommodate Apple and reap the rewards later.

LG just recently cleaned up their act as well and are back on the LCD-supplier map.

From this:

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123912

Back to this:

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...sues_with_lcd_displays_for_apples_ipad_2.html

They can also expand capacity:

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/022311-tsmc-boosts-chip-production-on.html

http://news.worldofapple.com/archiv...plans-brazil-plant-expanding-ipad-production/

If suppliers are just dumb pipes, why use them at all? You seem to confuse contract production with buying components. Like stated, Samsung does world-leading technology e.g. in monitors and flash-memory. Obviously then, they are more than mere dumb pipes. For that to be true, Apple would have to hold the design of the components in question (or enjoy them indirectly through such designs being an industry asset - which they are not).
 
There GDP is 1/3 or 1/4 that of the US. There are expensive parts and very, very poor parts. This is true in a lot of the world..



Samsung loses money if they actually halt the sale of the iPhone 5. They make more money selling iPhone parts than selling phones. No they will not magically sell more phones anywhere but possibly South Korea. The one playing the dangerous game is Samsung. I am sure the division making the screens and CPUs will ignore them playing games in South Korea, if the Mobile folks decide to expand, Samsung might collapse under the weight of the internal civil war that would unfold.





That is no way to measure innovation. Both companies are innovative in different fields. Samsung has never been innovative in making mobile devices, but a lot of their components are very innovative
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It surely is a way to measure innovation. You may argue that its blunt, or even inappropriate, but it is, de facto, a measurement that is frequently used both inside and outside of academia.

p.s. Arent the components part of making a mobile device? making a wicked antenna, a wicked screen, a wicked digitizer etc? What next? Making kick-ass engines and steering systems are not part of car innovation?

Difference is that Samsung happily shares its innovations with others, through its component sales. That does not make these innovations any less innovative, or worthy of praise.
 
Difference is that Samsung happily shares its innovations with others, through its component sales. That does not make these innovations any less innovative, or worthy of praise.

Speaking of which (and off topic a bit) - I thought FaceTime was an "open standard" - if that's the case - how come no one else is using it?
 
Difference is that Samsung happily shares its innovations with others, through its component sales. That does not make these innovations any less innovative, or worthy of praise.

Yes, they're worthy of praise.

However, the iPad, which completely turned the traditional computing paradigm on its ear, has an Apple logo on it, not a Samsung logo. The iPhone, which completely changed the mobile landscape, has an Apple logo on it, not a Samsung logo. It was the Apple CEO introducing these game-changers at both keynotes. Could have been Samsung. But it wasn't.

What isn't worthy of praise, however, are the actions of a corporation that behaves like a criminal organization.

I see absolutely no innovation, or even substantial improvement, in Samsung's iPad copy. And the market has agreed, overwhelmingly.

Whatever "components innovations" they enjoy, are theirs and probably deserved, or at least fairly achieved. It's when they venture into competing in consumer tech (namely in mobile at this point) where the fish really begins to stink.
 
Yes, they're worthy of praise.

However, the iPad, which completely turned the traditional computing paradigm on its ear, has an Apple logo on it, not a Samsung logo. The iPhone, which completely changed the mobile landscape, has an Apple logo on it, not a Samsung logo. It was the Apple CEO introducing these game-changers at both keynotes. Could have been Samsung. But it wasn't.

Perhaps you're looking at the wrong side of the packaging. I'm pretty sure if you open up your iPad and iPhone, you'll see Samsung and many other INNOVATIVE company logos.

But again - I expect nothing less from you in regards to your position on this.
 
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