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Samsung Already Planning to Target iPhone 5 with Patent Lawsuits
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I totally agree.
Apple may not make one of the best TVs, fancy fridges, washing machines... but god their iPhone is awesome!
In order to compete with Apple Samsung should have tried making their own OS at least.... not just throwing more megapixels and GHz's...
so basically the general reaction is like this:
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apple sues others -> GOOD stuff! yes. patents/laws are absolutely necessary, apple has all rights. yay! go appple
others sue apple -> patent laws sucks. patent trolls have nothing better to do. company X needs to die!
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can we leave it up to the court to decide?
That's not the "general reaction." That's stereotyping and selection bias. Why do you ignore all the posts that state the exact opposite in all of these lawsuit threads?
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Is Samsung a party to the standards agreement in question?
If it's a choice between having "wireless" as Samsung states, or not, there is no choice.
There were "smart phones" before the iPhone. There were smart phones after - none of which had to use Apple's innovations in regards to user interface or design. Samsung is saying it's impossible for Apple to put together a wireless phone without infringing their patents. There is no choice other than not make the phone at all.
Big difference.
This is why I will never buy anything from Samsung. It is bad that companies take other companies technologies - but to say they will sue a company for marketing reasons before a company releases a product is so bad.
At least with their mobile division - I have a Sony HDTV that has Samsung LCD that is 4 years old and
works flawlessly
The best way to fight a company that you don't like is with customers wallet and not the stupid lawyers.
At least with their mobile division - I have a Sony HDTV that has Samsung LCD that is 4 years old and
works flawlessly
The best way to fight a company that you don't like is with customers wallet and not the stupid lawyers.
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There is absolutely nO way samsung knows more details about the iPhone 5 than any of us. Samsung has clearly been me tooing around the world in every court. Samsung got nothing more than a bunch of money to drag this out.
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There is absolutely nO way samsung knows more details about the iPhone 5 than any of us. Samsung has clearly been me tooing around the world in every court. Samsung got nothing more than a bunch of money to drag this out.
So you'll never buy Apple products again either ?
It's not like Apple has never been found guilty of patent infringment before...
http://www.osnews.com/story/25098/Apple_Scores_Meaningless_Dutch_Court_Victory_Against_Samsung
Apple Scores Meaningless Dutch Court Victory Against Samsung
posted by Thom Holwerda on Wed 24th Aug 2011 13:58 UTC
Interesting
But for how long? Not only that, but how long will Samsung even be a parts supplier?
But for how long? Not only that, but how long will Samsung even be a parts supplier?
Yep, I'll sure never buy another Samsung product, they and the likes of them are knock off scum.
Samsung is best to go off and make their fridges and all the other electronics they're into now. But wait, everything they make is a near copy of another companies design.
They are bad news, why people buy their crap phones, tablets or whatever is beyond me. It's not as if they work well, last long, or have a good track record of service to stand behind anything they sell.
Support innovators, no one else.
Wrong.
Virtually all of the patents Samsung alleges infringement on in its Northern California countersuit against Apple involve FRAND-encumbered IP. Most of them involving things that are going on inside the Qualcomm chips Apple buys.
This "news story" (its not a lawsuit, its just Samsung "acting tough" for the benefit of its home market) simply reinforces Apple's case that Samsung is misusing its Standards-Essential IP as a "get out of jail free" card to let it rip off other companies.
So you'll never buy Apple products again either ?
It's not like Apple has never been found guilty of patent infringment before...
Samsung makes a business from theft of others ideas. Apple does not. You're insinuating something that isn't at all what Apple is about. On the other hand Sansungs track record in business speaks for itself.
Citation Needed. Seems to me Samsung as the #2 patent holder in term of sheer number behind IBM is not quite what you make it out to be...
Citation just to prove I'm not making baseless claims, numbers from 2010 place Samsung #2, Apple at #46 :
http://www.ificlaims.com/news/top-patents.html
They're shameless.
Example, from 2007:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/20/business/worldbusiness/20samsung.html
New Bribery Allegation Roils Samsung
SEOUL, South Korea, Nov. 19 Samsung, which has vigorously denied bribery charges in a snowballing corruption scandal, sustained another blow to its image on Monday when a former legal adviser to President Roh Moo-hyun said the company had once offered him a cash bribe.
The former aide, Lee Yong-chul, who also served as a presidential monitor against corruption, said that the money 5 million won ($5,445) was delivered to him in January 2004 as a holiday gift from a Samsung Electronics executive, but that he immediately returned it.
Before sending it back, Mr. Lee said, he took pictures of the cash package, which were released to the news media on Monday.
I was outraged by Samsungs brazenness, by its attempt to bribe a presidential aide in charge of fighting corruption, Mr. Lee said in a written statement released at a news conference by a civic organization. He did not attend the event.
James Chung, a spokesman for Samsung Electronics, said, We are trying to find out the facts around these allegations.
Samsung Electronics is the mainstay of the 59-subsidiary Samsung conglomerate and a world leader in computer chips, flat-panel television screens and cellphones.
Mr. Lees accusation appeared to support recent assertions by a former chief lawyer at Samsung, Kim Yong-chul, that the conglomerate had run a vast network that bribed officials, prosecutors, tax collectors, journalists and scholars on behalf of Samsungs chairman, Lee Kun-hee.
Prosecutors are investigating Mr. Kims accusations, and political parties have introduced legislation that would establish an independent counsel.
Opposition political parties say an independent prosecutor is needed because Mr. Kim identified the presidents new chief prosecutor, Lim Chai-jin, as one of many prosecutors to have received bribes from Samsung. Mr. Lim denied the assertion.
President Rohs office dismissed the call for an independent counsel as an election-year political maneuver. The South Korean presidential election is scheduled on Dec. 19.
As the scandal expanded, the chairman, Lee Kun-hee, was absent Monday from a ceremony commemorating the 20th anniversary of the death of his father, Lee Byung-chul, Samsungs founder. Company officials cited a serious cold and illness from fatigue.
Lee Yong-chul, the former presidential aide, now a partner at a law firm in Seoul, issued his statement and pictures through the National Movement to Unveil Illegal Activities by Samsung and Its Chairman, an organization that was started by civic groups after Mr. Kims allegations were made public.
Calls to Mr. Lees office were not returned on Monday.
This is proof that Samsungs bribery has reached not only prosecutors but the very core of political power, the Blue House, the group said at the news conference, referring to the South Korean presidential office. President Rohs office called that assertion pure speculation.
Mr. Lee said the bribe he received in 2004 was delivered after an executive at Samsung Electronics asked him whether his company could send him a holiday gift. Mr. Lee said he accepted, thinking that it would be a simple gift.
He said that when he returned the money with a protest, the Samsung executive apologized. The executive said he had simply allowed his company to send the gift in his name and had not known it contained cash, Mr. Lee related.
The executive could not be reached for comment. Samsung said the man left the company in June 2004 and now lived in the United States.
Lee Yong-chul said he decided to go public after reading about the lawyer Kim Yong-chuls whistle-blowing. He said he believed Mr. Kims assertion that Samsung had run a systematic bribery effort.
Samsung has denied Mr. Kims allegations as groundless. A couple of Samsung executives Mr. Kim accused of delivering bribes have sued him.
In his statement, Lee Yong-chul said the cash was delivered to him while prosecutors were investigating assertions that Samsung and other conglomerates had provided large amounts of illegal campaign funds to presidential candidates during the 2002 election, which Mr. Roh won.
Several campaign officials for Mr. Roh and his opponent, Lee Hoi-chang, as well as Samsung executives, were convicted of playing major roles in raising slush funds in that campaign.
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More recent:
http://www.fastcompany.com/1627411/...-expose-accuses-samsung-of-massive-corruption
Bribery, Massive Corruption at Samsung, Says Exposé by Former S. Korean Prosecutor
. . . In addition, a lawmaker said she had once been offered a golf bag full of cash from Samsung, and a former presidential aide said he had received and returned a cash gift from the company.
Lee Kun-hee, the chairman of Samsung, was convicted of hiding more than $42 million from tax collection, and received nothing more than a suspended sentence. The media decided not to mention the whistle-blowing book at all, despite it achieving remarkable sales for a non-fiction book in that country. (Not a single newspaper published a review, and the only discussion of the book mentioned its sales--but not its title or author. Yeah, you read that right. They left out the title.) Even worse, the media refused to print any op-eds or articles explaining, let alone backing, Kim Yong-chul's side, out of fear that Samsung would pull advertisements from their TV shows and newspapers.
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http://news.techeye.net/business/south-korea-makes-example-of-samsung-corruption
South Korea makes example of Samsung corruption
Samsung has been publicly forced to get its act together to stamp out corruption, with the South Korean government choosing to make an example of it.
According to a top industry consultant familiar with the company, Samsung's legal "philanderings" are no secret. While other companies are also at it, the South Korean government is keeping them safe as it looks to drive revenue and reputation to the country.
The comments come as news of shadiness inside Samsung spreads, after an inspection found that elements of the company were involved in corruption.
The findings led to CEO Oh Chang-Suk stepping down and Lee Kun-Hee, chairman of the company, claiming there would be some managerial changes.
However, he would not specify what the investigation had uncovered - only saying that it included taking bribes and enjoying hospitality from suppliers. He said the "worst type" of abuse was pressure on junior staff to commit corrupt acts.
"Corruption and fraud" at Samsung Techwin came about accidentally, and was a result of a "complacent attitude during the past decade", he told reporters
This isn't the first time Samsung has been alleged to have its hands in the till. In 2007 the company's former executives accused it of bribing police and politicians to stop probes into its management, while in 2009 the chairman, along with nine other senior executives, were indicted on tax dodging charges.
According to our analyst, speaking under condition of anonymity, these are well known facts.
"Let's be honest, Samsung's philanderings are not a secret, the company has been at it for years," he said.
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This is the sort of (criminal) organization Apple is dealing with.
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you might want to check your facts on that one. Apple has a long history of stealing ideas and ripping others off.
Some examples
Watson or Sherlock was stolen (that one is pretty old so I can not remember the name)
Dashboard was a direct rip off of Konfabolator.
iTunes was even rip off of someone else on software made for OSX.
End of story Apple is not exactly the most honorable company when it comes to not stealing. They steal just as bad as the rest of them. Only difference is they have the RDF to cover it up.
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I want to see the judges face when Samsung sues to get paid for it's component orders but is not because apple can't make the devices because Samsung is suing them
I want to see the judges face when Samsung sues to get paid for it's component orders but is not because apple can't make the devices because Samsung is suing them
Here in U.S.A. we play games on iPhones, Android phones, BlackBerry phones, Windows phones etc. and we would like to keep it that way. For some reason Apple thinks otherwise and they are trying to achieve their goals by engaging in litigation at unprecedented levels which is very strange especially considering them being such a midget in the patent world.
I have been reading this blog for a while and would like to point something out about fair and reasonable.
Apple is being unfair as listed by definition in their anti-competitive nature against samsung (blocking sales). Since samsung is the owner of the patents then they are within their rights to subject apple to terms in order to ensure competition (blocking sales).
I will watch this eagerly and hope apple gets the **** that it deserves.
If Apple has a commitment to purchase said components, they have to pay for them, no matter what devices they can or can't make. Prior contracts are not invalidated by lawsuits.
Same as Samsung being obliged to provide Apple with the contracted components even though Apple is suing their mobile division and barring them from competing through injunctions.
True, Apple contends they involve RAND.
Samsung used at least one of the same patents against Ericsson five years ago. After Ericsson used the RAND defense, the two companies ended up cross-licensing more patents, with royalties paid to each other.
Apple, on the other hand, prefers to claim the right to only pay license fees to get access to other companies' IP.
The basic difference is, Apple doesn't mind using others' innovations, but refuses to share any of their own.
That's their privilege, of course, but it's a policy that would hurt them if others did the same in return. Imagine if Microsoft never licensed ActiveSync for the iPhone, or if the Visual Voice Mail patent holder refused ATT's use of it.
The policy also doesn't always work, as they did share some unspecified patents with Nokia as part of their big settlement this past summer. I think that's what Samsung is hoping for.
A user swinging things around on MacRumor, how rare. In what way is your response relevant for the context in which my post was made? Clarify, and you may be worthy of a response.