Samsung Already Planning to Target iPhone 5 with Patent Lawsuits

[ct2k7]

They might have form factors similar to each other, but not to the iPad. Not to the iPad's construction, design, minimalism. It's a Maserati beside a bunch of thick, overweight, button-festooned, plastic-laden Yugos that looked like ass and worked the same.

So therefore the iPad is unique and did not shape the industry.

 

[*LTD*]

So therefore the iPad is unique and did not shape the industry.

It killed whatever went before it (since the "tablet" industry before it was barely viable, if at all) and started an entirely new one. One that is actually viable, if only the competition would step up their game. Because right now it looks like the iPad is an industry unto itself, a lot like the iPod.

Isn't this obvious?

 

[ct2k7]

It killed whatever went before it (since the "tablet" industry before it was barely viable, if at all) and started an entirely new one. One that is actually viable, if only the competition would step up their game. Because right now it looks like the iPad is an industry unto itself, a lot like the iPod.

Isn't this obvious?

It didn't kill and start. At most, it revived it.

iPad isn't an industry, there are plenty of good competitors out there. But what's the use of an iPad? You're making it seem as if the industry is independent of its purpose. That is not correct. Whilst it may excel in the entertainment industry, it certainly is anything but productive in my books.

 

[*LTD*]

It didn't kill and start. At most, it revived it.

Semantics don't change the current situation. Substitute whatever labels you like to describe what happened.

iPad isn't an industry, there are plenty of good competitors out there.

Not by any meaningful measure there aren't. "Good competitors" have to actually compete. They aren't. Or can't.

But what's the use of an iPad? You're making it seem as if the industry is independent of its purpose. That is not correct. Whilst it may excel in the entertainment industry, it certainly is anything but productive in my books.

Your opinion is yours (but is it actually informed?)

However, I prefer to ask consumers who bought 9.3 million iPads last quarter and the consumers who are part of the total 28.73 million iPads sold currently and the projected 40 million (a laughably conservative estimate, I know) consumers who will buy them next year.

I also prefer to ask the hospitals, airlines, schools, and business that are using them, and who will be implementing them in some way over then next 1-2 years.

Perhaps you should do the same.

 

[28monkeys]

Not surprised by this at all.
I am willing to bet almost every single one of them will be able to nail the iPhone4 as well and they are waiting until Apple has a new product launch and hit it all at once.

This is more about getting Apple to back off and some deal will be reach.

-11 And you are demi god?

 

[Rodimus Prime]

-11 And you are demi god?

well because it was not a standard bash bash bash anything but Apple it tends to get voted down.

Logic is complete worthless in these threads. It is very well laid out.

Every single one they bring against the iPhone 5 they will bring against the iPhone4. They would be the same patents. That is how they are able to do it and the fact that people do not understand the fact that this is because Apple started this mess.

 

[*LTD*]

-11 And you are demi god?

Demi-God status is usually bought and paid for here. You make a donation of some specified amount and you get it. My case is no different.

It has a few perks and is MR's way of thanking those who voluntarily throw them a dime.

 

[ct2k7]

Semantics don't change the current situation. Substitute whatever labels you like to describe what happened.


Not by any meaningful measure there aren't. "Good competitors" have to actually compete. They aren't. Or can't.


Your opinion is yours (but is it actually informed?)

However, I prefer to ask consumers who bought 9.3 million iPads last quarter the the consumers who are part of the total 28.73 million iPads and the projected 40 million (a laughably conservative estimate, I know) consumers who will buy them next year.

I also prefer to ask the hospitals, airlines, schools, and business that are using them, and who will be implementing them in some way over then next 1-2 years.

Perhaps you should do the same.

I described what happened. It was there before and it was there afterwards... actually, it didn't revive, it changed. There we go. Tablets were used before and afterwards.

Good competitors do compete...

You have not identified, with the use of any metrics, what portion of them are using it for productive activities - and no, very simple editing does not fall into this category. iPad is an entertainment device. It has emphasis on so.

No hospitals, schools or businesses in my area have implemented it. In fact, I know a primary school trialled it, and it was unsuccessful, but that's just their case.

 

[MattInOz]

Maybe on that one case but when you start looking at others it goes to show you a pattern of behavior. Apple is pretty just as bad if not worse than other companies when it comes to stealing and coping.

Apple has a long history of doing stuff like that.

The bookshelf thing is no where close to as bad as the ripoff of Konfabulator.
Or the coping so much of iOS5.

Lets face it Apple was talking about themselves when they said 2011 was the year of the copycats.

What gets most people is how big of a hypocrite Apple is. They cry foul when anyone copies off them but turn around and are even more blatant about it.

Not sure if everyone missed the news but the Delicious Monster UI guru moved to Apple well before iBooks was released so if he ripped off his own work then that is issue between him and DM. Given Mr Shipley's own commentary of the move it would seem the it was on good terms and he was well aware of what IP might be going with the trade.

Dependent on contract copyright is in part retained by the Author. The skills and mindset are always retained by the author.

 

[vitzr]

Very fitting.

 

[Stuntman06]

well because it was not a standard bash bash bash anything but Apple it tends to get voted down.

Logic is complete worthless in these threads. It is very well laid out.

Every single one they bring against the iPhone 5 they will bring against the iPhone4. They would be the same patents. That is how they are able to do it and the fact that people do not understand the fact that this is because Apple started this mess.

Companies have been suing each other for a long time. It seems that the Apple law suits seem to have created a much larger awareness amongst the public. One reason is that Apple's suits seem to be fairly successful at preventing the defendents' products from reaching customers. At least I haven't heard of other suits resulting in a product being banned from any juristiction until Apple's suits.

I get the impression that Apple doesn't really want to settle and want nothing less than competitors' products being banned. It really hurts consumers because those people who want the product that is banned isn't getting it at all. I hope that the counter suits help settle these disputes. The worse case scenario is that this doesn't get settled and some people who want the Samsung products aren't able to get it and some people who want Apple products aren't able to get it either.

 

[vrDrew]

It really hurts consumers because those people who want the product that is banned isn't getting it at all. .

This may not have occured to you, but there are other measures of the quality of human existence OTHER than "consumer choice."

"Consumer choice" might very well call for the sale of crystal meth at WalGreens and Semtex at Home Depot. But that doesn't necessarily make either of them a very good idea.

I suggest you spend some time thinking about this concept.

 

[TMay]

This may not have occured to you, but there are other measures of the quality of human existence OTHER than "consumer choice."

"Consumer choice" might very well call for the sale of crystal meth at WalGreens and Semtex at Home Depot. But that doesn't necessarily make either of them a very good idea.

I suggest you spend some time thinking about this concept.

That reads vaquely like Samual Jackson in Pulp Fiction mode.

I'm liking it. Well done!!

 

[AppleScruff1]

They might have form factors similar to each other, but not to the iPad. Not to the iPad's construction, design, minimalism. It's a Maserati beside a bunch of thick, overweight, button-festooned, plastic-laden Yugos that looked like ass and worked the same.

The Maserati's of the Yugo era were garbage too. Expensive garbage.

 

[divinox]

Not sure if everyone missed the news but the Delicious Monster UI guru moved to Apple well before iBooks was released so if he ripped off his own work then that is issue between him and DM. Given Mr Shipley's own commentary of the move it would seem the it was on good terms and he was well aware of what IP might be going with the trade.

Dependent on contract copyright is in part retained by the Author. The skills and mindset are always retained by the author.

Which is not necessarily relevant, as he may have left original ip with his former company (i.e. LTDs case in reverse). And, its still an issue between Apple and DM (too).

Also, while skills and mindset are necessarily retained by the author (unless we employ brain-washing), that is not a carte blanche to reproduce earlier work, as such work - which you also state - may be owned by someone else*.

* we can compare this with Apples complaint in the HTC case, were Apple are bitching about some former co-worker, now working for HTC..

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Companies have been suing each other for a long time. It seems that the Apple law suits seem to have created a much larger awareness amongst the public. One reason is that Apple's suits seem to be fairly successful at preventing the defendents' products from reaching customers. At least I haven't heard of other suits resulting in a product being banned from any juristiction until Apple's suits.

I get the impression that Apple doesn't really want to settle and want nothing less than competitors' products being banned. It really hurts consumers because those people who want the product that is banned isn't getting it at all. I hope that the counter suits help settle these disputes. The worse case scenario is that this doesn't get settled and some people who want the Samsung products aren't able to get it and some people who want Apple products aren't able to get it either.

While companies have been suing for a long time, there has been a significant increase in the mobile industry the last few years.

 

[hexx]

so it's still going on argument after argument. why don't we simply just agree on what is obvious - samsung DOES copy apple - long story short.

 

[samcraig]

Not exactly a stellar user experience. It's the same thing with pre-iPhone "smartphones."

You can't quantify this statement. It's completely subjective. I, and MANY others loved our experience with Treos and Blackberrys. And in some aspects - some of the UI experience and actual functionality of the device STILL surpass the iPhone.

LTD - it's like you were cryogenically frozen around 1980 and thawed in 2007. How else can you explain either your complete ignorance or lack of acknowledgment of factual history??

 

[MattInOz]

Which is not necessarily relevant, as he may have left original ip with his former company (i.e. LTDs case in reverse). And, its still an issue between Apple and DM (too).

Also, while skills and mindset are necessarily retained by the author (unless we employ brain-washing), that is not a carte blanche to reproduce earlier work, as such work - which you also state - may be owned by someone else*.

* we can compare this with Apples complaint in the HTC case, were Apple are bitching about some former co-worker, now working for HTC..

Ofcoarse it's not relevant to the HTC vs Apple case.
Nor is it relevant to suggesting a pattern of behavior on Apples part. That is the point. No one at DM is calling it theft and I think the claim that it was needed to addressed in the discussion here.

It's not even that much of a copy, as there seems to be as many differences to the thoughts that applies to each case as there are similarities.

 

[KnightWRX]

Nor is it relevant to suggesting a pattern of behavior on Apples part.

Here's another fine example :

http://www.cultofmac.com/99951/cydia-dev-apple-stole-both-my-idea-and-my-icon-for-wifi-sync/

 

[divinox]

Ofcoarse it's not relevant to the HTC vs Apple case.
Nor is it relevant to suggesting a pattern of behavior on Apples part. That is the point. No one at DM is calling it theft and I think the claim that it was needed to addressed in the discussion here.

It's not even that much of a copy, as there seems to be as many differences to the thoughts that applies to each case as there are similarities.

1) Where did i say "to the HTC vs. Apple case?"
2) Where did i suggest a pattern of behavior?

3) There are as many differences as similarities to the thoughts that applies to each case of the gtab vs. ipad too. Never stopped anyone around here.

 

[MattInOz]

Here's another fine example :

http://www.cultofmac.com/99951/cydia-dev-apple-stole-both-my-idea-and-my-icon-for-wifi-sync/

That's hilarious.
The guys app was rejected from the AppStore for using private API ie Apples own work but not released. The logo is a combo of Apples sync graphics and thier wifi graphics. Then he mouns they stole work. If all you do is take Apples own API's the smallest next logic step you really have to expect they are already thinking that and more.

Edit: funny lots of comments on the linked page saying the JB wifi sync was buggy as all get up.
So maybe there was a reason those APIs werent public.

 

[kdarling]

Look at how those pre-iPad "tablets" work. Use them. Then use an iPad. Night and day.

Sure, because they have different target audiences. Tablets used to be only for professionals and field workers, and even a long wished-for MacOS tablet would have similar goals. Instead, Apple updated media webpads into a slick slate tablet meant for mass consumers.

Although Apple was the first successful marketeer, such a mass consumer tablet is not a new idea. Turn the wayback machine to the year 2000, and the touch based Norwegian Freepad was designed to be easy enough even for "grandmothers". Read that article. Internet, phone services, browsing, video conferencing. It was just too far ahead of its time.

They might have form factors similar to each other, but not to the iPad. Not to the iPad's construction, design, minimalism. It's a Maserati beside a bunch of thick, overweight, button-festooned, plastic-laden Yugos that looked like ass and worked the same.

Or perhaps like a Smart car next to a Jeep. Prior to the iPad, both manufacturers and consumers thought it made sense for tablets to be more rugged. Todays' availability of tougher glass also helps make a sleeker look more practical.

There's a reason why Windows Mobile died so quickly. A decade of MS mobile development, destroyed in only a couple of years.

Indirect relationship. I think a lof of Windows Mobile users moved onto Android.

 

[alexN350z]

Nature of the Samsung

Samsung sounds like desperate by such move. If they don't do this, they probably will be killed in smartphone and tablet market.

 

[KnightWRX]

That's hilarious.
The guys app was rejected from the AppStore for using private API ie Apples own work but not released. The logo is a combo of Apples sync graphics and thier wifi graphics. Then he mouns they stole work. If all you do is take Apples own API's the smallest next logic step you really have to expect they are already thinking that and more.

I think his point was more about the icon than the actual concept. And since when has those drawings for wi-fi or syncing belonged to Apple ? They're general icons I've seen all over the place, but the combining of them is a very real copyrightable work.

Apple had no right to lift his icon from him. I don't even see how you can justify that.

 

[MattInOz]

1) Where did i say "to the HTC vs. Apple case?"
2) Where did i suggest a pattern of behavior?

3) There are as many differences as similarities to the thoughts that applies to each case of the gtab vs. ipad too. Never stopped anyone around here.

Sorry was under the impression you were taking me to task for my response to the post quoted. Although you did bring HTC in to it with a reference to Ex apple employee now with them.