No thanks. It's clear you aren't interested in a straight debate. You'd rather argue semantics instead of just explaining where you think your point got confused. It's a lot easier just saying "nope, you're wrong - try again" then to have a real discussion.
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No thanks. It's clear you aren't interested in a straight debate. You'd rather argue semantics instead of just explaining where you think your point got confused. It's a lot easier just saying "nope, you're wrong - try again" then to have a real discussion.
I'm sorry but what i see is that apple is using their generic icon for syncing (rotating arrows) and put wi-fi icon inside it. I'd argue that it was developer who used the same approach to icon as apple, not that apple copied his icon. they just combined existing icons for synch and wi-fi.
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But it was the dev's original work to begin with. Apple could have come up with about 50 other different icon designs, but no, they used the Dev's design.
All I see from you and MattInOz is weaseling. Apple copies. As much as anyone else.
So another example how if someone or some company does something first and THEN Apple does it - it's not copying?
wow.
please read my comment again. they both came to the same thing where apple used already what they had. you could argue that the dev copied apple's icons. there's absolutely no point to argue here who copied who because nobody copied nobody. it's just synch icon merged with wi-fi icon. that's all, nothing more, nothing less.
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synch and wi-fi icon was present in Mac OS long before this dev came up with icon for his app.
wrong. the icon was known to apple as they killed the app in their store, had conversations with the developer (even took his resume) and there's little doubt apple is well aware and monitors the cydia marketplace.
How can people argue that it's ok for Apple to do this because there's no other way to represent the app yet still maintain that Apple can sue anyone who makes a tablet that REMOTELY looks like the ipad.
Apple didn't "come up" with it. They came out with their icon 1 year after the dev...
Again, you're just weaseling. If this had been any other company, something leads me to believe you wouldn't be so "forgiving" and would just call it copying.
Just admit it. Apple copies. See, it's not hard. Apple copies. Feels good. Doesn't even hurt. Once you realise you owe no alliegance or loyalty to any corporate entity and you're just free to discuss them, you open a whole new world.
but not COMBINED into ONE icon.
Peanut butter existed and so did chocolate. But Reese's put them together.... (a tongue in cheek analogy)
yes, as an example of how even though "whatever you said regarding skills and knowledge", is true - one is still not (necessarily) free to do as one wishes with said knowledge and skill.
So your assuming that because his public use of the icon predates apples that his is the first but we don't know that do we.
On the contrary, it is exactly because i am interested in a straight debate (or rather, discussion), that i am asking you to actually read what i say before responding to my posts. Because, guess what, if you are not - you really arent debating with me at all, but rather some straw man assembled by you.
WHAT??? so you're telling me that apple didn't know how to combine THEIR own icons for wi-fi and synch and they copied this icon?????
Actually - it's safe to say they didn't. If they had - they would have sued. Or at least had a cease and desist.
Since they obviously didn't - they must not have originated the idea.
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WHAT??? so you're telling me that apple didn't know how to combine THEIR own icons for wi-fi and synch and they copied this icon?????
Your missing the point - and on purpose. What he and I are saying is that there are a million and one icons that could have been used. Heck - even the wifi symbol could have been turned to another angle or whatever. That wasn't done.
Public use is the defining factor in a trademark
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WHAT??? so you're telling me that apple didn't know how to combine THEIR own icons for wi-fi and synch and they copied this icon?????
Well obviously they copied it. Or are you saying Samsung doesn't know how to make a screen with a bezel and copied the iPad ?
If Apple didn't copy this icon, Samsung didn't copy the iPad. Can't have it both ways now can you ?
What do i read here another patriotical anti international verse attempt of a troll? First of all don't forget that also any american judge is under international law and the decideing is not up to wether a company is american or not but witch of them have more weight in theyr accusation.
Actually - it's safe to say they didn't. If they had - they would have sued. Or at least had a cease and desist.
Since they obviously didn't - they must not have originated the idea.
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Your missing the point - and on purpose. What he and I are saying is that there are a million and one icons that could have been used. Heck - even the wifi symbol could have been turned to another angle or whatever. That wasn't done.
why would apple turned their icon to another angle??? can you explain this please because i'm trying to understand your point but i'm not getting it. so they have (and have had for a loooong time) flat icon for wi-fi and flat icon for synch. so they introduce wi-fi sync app and they just overlay one icon on top of the other one, job done. why would they need to turn it, rotate it, skew it??? why?? to introduce inconsistency in their icon set??
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Public use is the defining factor in a trademark
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Well obviously they copied it. Or are you saying Samsung doesn't know how to make a screen with a bezel and copied the iPad ?
If Apple didn't copy this icon, Samsung didn't copy the iPad. Can't have it both ways now can you ?
so now you want to have it both ways with me, i'm not playing this game
why would apple turned their icon to another angle??? can you explain this please because i'm trying to understand your point but i'm not getting it. so they have (and have had for a loooong time) flat icon for wi-fi and flat icon for synch. so they introduce wi-fi sync app and they just overlay one icon on top of the other one, job done. why would they need to turn it, rotate it, skew it??? why?? to introduce inconsistency in their icon set??
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so now you want to have it both ways with me, i'm not playing this game
Again - you're missing the point. There are an infinite number of icons they could have created. They didn't. They used the same exact design as someone else - and they can't even claim they didn't ever SEE that icon before.
Like another poster said - you can just admit Apple stole the idea and be done with it. But no - you keep arguing that they didn't. Which is simply ridiculous. We're not accusing YOU of stealing.
At this point I think it's pretty clear that hexx is someone fit to ignore. He's just not interested in actual debate and no matter what arguments we'll give him, he'll spin, deflect and deny. I'm moving him to an appropriate place.
nope, you are missing the point. apple used their set of icons. consistency is what matters, i guess if you were a designer or a web dev you would know what it is consistency or how to re-use existing elements. that's just common sense. i don't understand why would anybody want to use something else. i just don't get it.
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At this point I think it's pretty clear that hexx is someone fit to ignore. He's just not interested in actual debate and no matter what arguments we'll give him, he'll spin, deflect and deny. I'm moving him to an appropriate place.
thanks god, because talking to you 2 is like hitting a brick wall
And, again, you refuse to acknowledge the difference between legal copying and stealing IP. Apple legally copied an idea popularized by Konfabulator. They did not violate any copyrights or patents. Completely normal. There are hundreds of todo apps around. Why is it a big deal that Apple created another widget app?
I'm not defending Apple. They have infringed on other's IP on several occasions. But it's not as common as you are making it out to be. And the examples you use are simply emotional, David vs Goliath situations. They are not examples of IP theft.
I read what you said. I commented on it. It's not my fault if you were not clear. If you feel your comments where misunderstood, you're free to choose to explain in greater detail... or simply dismiss those who did not understand whatever point you were trying to make. I see the latter, and I'm saying "no thanks."
I think it's pretty outstanding you would make such a comment without knowing what I do for a living. Which, for your information is Marketing and PR. Specifically - I do a LOT of graphic design and layout work. And have created numerous websites for companies and celebs. But enough about that.
I am not arguing against the icon's design - because it's seemingly the perfect design for the task. But the problem is - someone did it first - not Apple. So even though it's the perfect design - doesn't mean Apple didn't take someone else's work and make it theirs.
But I'm done explaining the obvious with you - especially since you have little regard for the concept of time.
Consider it a Rorschach test. It's not new information; you will see in it what you want to see.
