Samsung and TSMC iPhone 6s Chips Show Smaller Real-World Battery Impacts Compared to Benchmarks

[MH01]

yes it went viral and forgotten after a few weeks. Like any other #gate in Apple's world (bendgate the last).
A very vocal minority on web forums could sometimes reach traditional media, but after a few weeks al these false "issues" are forgotten.

Wrong. Stop making up false facts.

In July 2010 apple announced the case program would run to September 30th 2010, 2 weeks lol!!!

So the iPhone 6S gets a redesign to address structural integrity, and you say it was false.

Look mate, forget it, I gave you credibility as being tech savvy , I take that back, you are just an apologist that is making up false facts the way he wants to remember it.

I suggest you revisit how antennagate played out, for the sake of your own credibility on these forums.

Let's not waste each other's time anymore. Have a good weekend

 

[HenryDJP]

Yes I did ask. The first thing I said was that the battery doesn't last long enough and I want a new one. They ran the tests and then said I couldn't have one, even though I was prepared to pay.

I'm perfectly aware that lithium batteries decline in capacity. That's why I went in wanting to upgrade!

Okay, let's be real about it. That's not asking Apple if you could buy a new battery for it. After all that's what you said in your earlier post. You said if you knew you could buy another battery you would have, but Apple didn't inform you of that. I didn't ask you if you asked Apple if they could give you a new battery.

 

[NewdestinyX]

yes it went viral and forgotten after a few weeks. Like any other #gate in Apple's world (bendgate the last).
A very vocal minority on web forums could sometimes reach traditional media, but after a few weeks al these false "issues" are forgotten.

This is pure nonsense. Antenna Gate was not the usual Apple drama-gate of the year. It was an actual design flaw Apple eventually admitted and it affected 100% of phone on 100% of carriers. You are being a revisionist historian. Can't believe you're still trying to back this view after 4 more pages into his thread - last I read. I tried to educate you 4 pages ago.. Man.... How much proof do you need than Apple's own admission? The #gate actually was that at first Jobs didn't admit the flaw. He eventually did.

 

[Max(IT)]

Wrong. Stop making up false facts.

In July 2010 apple announced the case program would run to September 30th 2010, 2 weeks lol!!!

So the iPhone 6S gets a redesign to address structural integrity, and you say it was false.

Look mate, forget it, I gave you credibility as being tech savvy , I take that back, you are just an apologist that is making up false facts the way he wants to remember it.

I suggest you revisit how antennagate played out, for the sake of your own credibility on these forums.

Let's not waste each other's time anymore. Have a good weekend

The case program doesn't mean anything... All the fuss was forgotten in a few weeks and the iPhone 4 was sold for years after that, without any case as a gift (I actually bought one out of the case for free period).
If the phone was really defective, Apple would have it retired from the market.
That was not the case. iPhone 4 sold like hot cakes, as usual.
And stop every other considerations about my knowledge ad credibility. Next time you will be reported for personal attack.
Your idea about me I can't care less....

This is pure nonsense. Antenna Gate was not the usual Apple drama-gate of the year. It was an actual design flaw Apple eventually admitted and it affected 100% of phone on 100% of carriers. You are being a revisionist historian. Can't believe you're still trying to back this view after 4 more pages into his thread - last I read. I tried to educate you 4 pages ago.. Man.... How much proof do you need than Apple's own admission? The #gate actually was that at first Jobs didn't admit the flaw. He eventually did.

Apple sold the phone for 5 straight years. Not bad for an admission of a flawed device.
The device was declared flawed only on forums like this. In the real world it was, and it is, used by millions of people.

You try to educate me ? I don't need your education dude...

 

[NewdestinyX]

The case program doesn't mean anything... All the fuss was forgotten in a few weeks and the iPhone 4 was sold for years after that, without any case as a gift (I actually bought one out of the case for free period).
If the phone was really defective, Apple would have it retired from the market.
That was not the case. iPhone 4 sold like hot cakes, as usual.
And stop every other considerations about my knowledge ad credibility. Next time you will be reported for personal attack.
Your idea about me I can't care less....

Apple sold the phone for 5 straight years. Not bad for an admission of a flawed device.
The device was declared flawed only on forums like this. In the real world it was, and it is, used by millions of people.

You try to educate me ? I don't need your education dude...

When you spew nonsense with no backing - you need to be educated. Your trying to make some equivalency between how well and/or long a phone sold for - with an alleged lack of design flaw - proves you're a bit of a hack with your input. Sales success and design excellence/lack thereof are a non sequitur (nothing to do with each other). So wise up, Max. You generally have good input on these threads.. But you're just flat wrong on this one. The iPhone 4's design flaw was admitted by Apple. They fixed it in 4S. The #gate name was warranted because of Jobs' original statements denying there was an issue.

 

[Max(IT)]

When you spew nonsense with no backing - you need to be educated. Your trying to make some equivalency between how well and/or long a phone sold for - with an alleged lack of design flaw - proves you're a bit of a hack with your input. Sales success and design excellence/lack thereof are a non sequitur (nothing to do with each other). So wise up, Max. You generally have good input on these threads.. But you're just flat wrong on this one. The iPhone 4's design flaw was admitted by Apple. They fixed it in 4S. The #gate name was warranted because of Jobs' original statements denying there was an issue.

Link the document where Apple admitted a flaw in iPhone 4 antenna, please ....

There was no flaws, just a not so good design , improved in 4S.
Antenna gate exist only in forums like this....

 

[Aloft085]

There was a "flaw" with the iPhone 4's antenna, but it was such a negligible flaw that it actually affected almost no one. You had to hold the phone in a really funky way for it to be a problem, and that's without a case. I had that model for two years, and I don't think I ever experienced a dropped call due to that issue.

 

[NewdestinyX]

Antenna gate exist only in forums like this....

Where ELSE would it exist? Cover ups are only exposed where people talk about them. Forums is one place. Blogs are another. So your point is still nonsense. The "design flaw"/"poor design" whatever the hell you want to call it was what Steve Jobs tried to deny.. That's the whole reason the term
antenna gate came.

There were loads of non forum articles by third party tech evaluation companies like Geek Bench that tested and revealed the design flaw/poor design. It's well documented. Please stop the revisionist history. Yes, the iPhone 4 was a well sold phone - with a flaw that affected 100% of users. That was attempted to be covered up = Antenna gate.

 

[NewdestinyX]

There was a "flaw" with the iPhone 4's antenna, but it was such a negligible flaw that it actually affected almost no one. You had to hold the phone in a really funky way for it to be a problem, and that's without a case.

Not a negligible flaw. Normal holding patterns created the problem for 100% of users.. Until you put a bumper case.

 

[uid15]

"TSMC" stands for "The Samsung-beating, Marvellous Chip"

 

[Septembersrain]

Real world usage for me:

6s TSMC. T-Mobile, 128GB.

 

[MH01]

The case program doesn't mean anything... All the fuss was forgotten in a few weeks and the iPhone 4 was sold for years after that, without any case as a gift (I actually bought one out of the case for free period).
If the phone was really defective, Apple would have it retired from the market.
That was not the case. iPhone 4 sold like hot cakes, as usual.
And stop every other considerations about my knowledge ad credibility. Next time you will be reported for personal attack.
Your idea about me I can't care less....

Forget about the case program as you seem to be unable to comprehend it was the consequence of apple formally holding a press conference on the 16th of July and apologising . Has this ever happened before, apple holds a press conference where jobs and cook admit fault and offer a solution to thier customers ?

2 weeks duration.... Lol! Google antennagate, just cause you think it was not an issue does not mean this was a huge industry red face for apple at he time.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antennagate#Antenna

Do you comprehend the difference between still liking your device, cause there is no alternative on the market with iOS and maybe just maybe the retina screen oitweighed the annoying reception issues if you held it the right way, to returning it and going back to the 3GS which was a huge step backwards????

YES! People learned to live with this con!

Report away mate. though if you just stick to the facts and not rewrite history, we would not be having this discussion. Let's agree antennagate did not happen to you, does not mean it did not happen.

I will state it over and over, I have a iPhone 4, my favourite iPhone by far, would never return it, it has a design flaw, and apple officially apologised for it, gave me compensation for it, was an embarrassment for them in 2010 that lasted many months, and I used it on a Daily basis for many years, and all it took was an adjustment on how I held it. The flaw remained! It was that or the 3GS.

Apple never ever proved other phones suffered signal drop to the extent iPhone 4 did, this played out over months, and it's the first time I have seen apple hold a press conference to apologise and compensate to this scale.

How did antennagate play out in your version? Use dates please .

 

[MH01]

Link the document where Apple admitted a flaw in iPhone 4 antenna, please ....

There was no flaws, just a not so good design , improved in 4S.
Antenna gate exist only in forums like this....

Press conference

http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/live-from-apples-iphone-4-press-conference/

That is called fixed ! Sure call it not so good design..... Wow!

And everyone in the world is happy with 16GB iPhone 6s, issues with that only exist on forums like this. Yeah pulling you up on that hypocrisy .

 

[Max(IT)]

Where ELSE would it exist? Cover ups are only exposed where people talk about them. Forums is one place. Blogs are another. So your point is still nonsense. The "design flaw"/"poor design" whatever the hell you want to call it was what Steve Jobs tried to deny.. That's the whole reason the term
antenna gate came.

There were loads of non forum articles by third party tech evaluation companies like Geek Bench that tested and revealed the design flaw/poor design. It's well documented. Please stop the revisionist history. Yes, the iPhone 4 was a well sold phone - with a flaw that affected 100% of users. That was attempted to be covered up = Antenna gate.

my point is exactly this: it didn't affect 100% of users. It affected a very vocal minority and was overblown.

Not a negligible flaw. Normal holding patterns created the problem for 100% of users.. Until you put a bumper case.

That is absolutely false. I hadn't a single issue with it, and like me most of the users outside forums like this. Actually even in forums there were people demonstrating with videos that the problem didn't exist, but as usual here they are dismissed and forgotten

 

[Max(IT)]

Forget about the case program as you seem to be unable to comprehend it was the consequence of apple formally holding a press conference on the 16th of July and apologising . Has this ever happened before, apple holds a press conference where jobs and cook admit fault and offer a solution to thier customers ?

2 weeks duration.... Lol! Google antennagate, just cause you think it was not an issue does not mean this was a huge industry red face for apple at he time.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antennagate#Antenna

Do you comprehend the difference between still liking your device, cause there is no alternative on the market with iOS and maybe just maybe the retina screen oitweighed the annoying reception issues if you held it the right way, to returning it and going back to the 3GS which was a huge step backwards????

YES! People learned to live with this con!

Report away mate. though if you just stick to the facts and not rewrite history, we would not be having this discussion. Let's agree antennagate did not happen to you, does not mean it did not happen.

I will state it over and over, I have a iPhone 4, my favourite iPhone by far, would never return it, it has a design flaw, and apple officially apologised for it, gave me compensation for it, was an embarrassment for them in 2010 that lasted many months, and I used it on a Daily basis for many years, and all it took was an adjustment on how I held it. The flaw remained! It was that or the 3GS.

Apple never ever proved other phones suffered signal drop to the extent iPhone 4 did, this played out over months, and it's the first time I have seen apple hold a press conference to apologise and compensate to this scale.

How did antennagate play out in your version? Use dates please .

if you, like me, used it for months without an issue, you can define that a poor antenna design, but the word "antenna gate" as Im saying since the beginning , is an overblown.
Apple DIDNT apologize about the antenna. You are rewriting history.
Apple apologized about the signal strength formula being wrong, and that was the ONLY thing they fixed

Press conference

http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/16/live-from-apples-iphone-4-press-conference/

That is called fixed ! Sure call it not so good design..... Wow!

And everyone in the world is happy with 16GB iPhone 6s, issues with that only exist on forums like this. Yeah pulling you up on that hypocrisy .

Did you read what you linked ? They called fixed THE FORMULA to show signal strength bars. Not the antenna.
Apple didn't admit anything about a flaw on the antenna.
Who is rewriting history here ?

 

[MH01]

if you, like me, used it for months without an issue, you can define that a poor antenna design, but the word "antenna gate" as Im saying since the beginning , is an overblown.
Apple DIDNT apologize about the antenna. You are rewriting history.
Apple apologized about the signal strength formula being wrong, and that was the ONLY thing they fixed


Did you read what you linked ? They called fixed THE FORMULA to show signal strength bars. Not the antenna.
Apple didn't admit anything about a flaw on the antenna.
Who is rewriting history here ?

Splitting hairs mate, splitting hairs.

The 4S was redesigned to fix the antenna . Cause the flaw existed.

The problem is you don't see it as a fault, you see it as improving the antenna lol..... Basically this tells me you don't actually understand technically what the issue was, and why it was redesigned in 4S - the antenna design and what caused the issues on iPhone 4.

You seriously believe jobs and apple would come out and publicly admit a device that sold 3million needs to be recalled? Read between the lines . Apple holding a press conference like this is admitting fault !!!! Jobs and cook were present! Not some numpty PR spokes person.

Also, thier claims were proved to be incorrect after this press release, and consumer reports and others players in the industry proved apple were incorrect in these statements that were not factually correct, but used as a deflection.

Ummmm. I could grip my iPhone 4 and get no service. Guess what, I could not do the same with iPhone 2g, 3, 3GS, 5, 6.... Hello?? though I readjusted my grip and therefore it was not an issue, some sticky tape also fixed it. Does not mean the fault is not there.

Let's agree to disagree cause we are off topic on this thread.

And apologies to others for this off thread disscussion.

 

[NewdestinyX]

my point is exactly this: it didn't affect 100% of users. It affected a very vocal minority and was overblown.
here they are dismissed and forgotten

Complete and utter nonsense. Empirical evidence from giants like Consumer reports proves you wrong.

That is absolutely false. I hadn't a single issue with it, and like me most of the users outside forums like this. Actually even in forums there were people demonstrating with videos that the problem didn't exist, but as usual here they are dismissed and forgotten

Prove it. These videos do not exist or were manufactured. What do exist are several video tests done by reputable testing organizations that show the defect 100% reproducible on every phone. Please don't get confused Max. I didn't say that anyone would necessarily "have a problem" with usage. You have been the master of Red Herring arguments in this whole thing.. Trying to redirect the conversation. All I (and the rest of us here - you're alone in your views) have been stating is that there was:
1) a design flaw in 100% of phones - that could be demonstrated in 100% of phones.
2) Empirical evidence from many sources proved this conclusively.
3) A design flaw that was not admitted at first - warranting the name AntennaGate. And Apple finally admitted the flaw in several public statements and gave everybody a bumper case for free.

You can try to rewrite it all you want or use semantics and red herring redirects to change the facts, but it just makes you look like a desperate fanboy. Please give up the nonsense. Your position on the "lack of an admitted design flaw" is just fallacious.

 

[uid15]

Calm down children. Can't you be nice to one another?

 

[roncron]

I'll have to admit, before getting my 6S Plus I was a little worried I'd get a Samsung, despite reading all of the level-headed comments here and elsewhere. My 128gb phone cost $950 and there's a 2-week return period. The thought of getting stuck with a phone with crappy battery life was a bit nerve-racking.

I got my 6S+ the other day and it has a TSMC. Whew! But wait a minute. Battery life isn't awesome so far. And there are people on this thread and elsewhere that got a Samsung chip who said they're happy with their battery life so far; and some who aren't.

Here's the thing: for most of us with new 6S or 6S+, it's too soon to judge our own battery life. The way we use our phones in the first few days of having them is not typical - we 3D-touch everything, play around with Live Photos & 4K, see what Mad Max Fury Road looks like in 400+ pixels per inch, etc etc. Within a week or two of normal use, we'll have a better sense of our new phones' battery life.

I got a new Macbook Pro last spring and it had lousy battery life at first. Took it to the genius bar, was even considering exchanging it for a different one during the return period. But found out it was me. Within a week or two of normal usage patterns, I was getting battery life in line with Apple's claims. When I got my iPhone 6 a year ago, battery life was around 5 hours for the first week, 8-10 later. It just takes time to fall into a normal usage pattern with a new device, and you can't judge battery life before that.

Unless more systematic testing on a larger sample proves otherwise, I'm inclined to believe Apple's claim that differences between iPhone units with different components are on the order of about 2% in real-world use, not 7% or 15% or more as we've seen in the Youtube videos last week.

Still, though, I wouldn't ridicule someone who is about to spend $650-950 and is nervous about getting a phone with a Samsung chip.

 

[Keirasplace]

that is the problem.

The "problem" is you think Apple lies... Well, then don'T buy their product then; solved this for your right there.
Why would you buy things from them if you don't believe their claims? I wouldn't...
But, since I do, I don't have anything to worry about.

 

[roeiz]

The "problem" is you think Apple lies... Well, then don'T buy their product then; solved this for your right there.
Why would you buy things from them if you don't believe their claims? I wouldn't...
But, since I do, I don't have anything to worry about.

but i like their smartphone product more than the competition.
i can still think that they're "comforting" the Samsung chippers with lame PR about the "real world"
at the same time..
and if i'll get a Samsung chip it's still my right as a consumer to THINK i should pay less (or more for DSMC)
from all i read around this issue, it looks completely legit and repetitive result (2 hours less battery).
until Apple will fix this (cripple TSMC or some other crap), consumers should feel they've been had.

 

[Aloft085]

Not a negligible flaw. Normal holding patterns created the problem for 100% of users.. Until you put a bumper case.

Normal users hold both sides of the phone and the top at the same time? I don't think so.

 

[NYCphone]

I'd love to see a few gamers play the same game on several devices with both chips for a few hours as a real-world test. I have a Samsung chip in my 6s+ and play a lot of hearthstone - my guess is that it does have a noticeable difference for me.

 

[CurtisBilly]

Here's the thing: for most of us with new 6S or 6S+, it's too soon to judge our own battery life. The way we use our phones in the first few days of having them is not typical - we 3D-touch everything, play around with Live Photos & 4K, see what Mad Max Fury Road looks like in 400+ pixels per inch, etc etc. Within a week or two of normal use, we'll have a better sense of our new phones' battery life.

I got a new Macbook Pro last spring and it had lousy battery life at first. Took it to the genius bar, was even considering exchanging it for a different one during the return period. But found out it was me. Within a week or two of normal usage patterns, I was getting battery life in line with Apple's claims. When I got my iPhone 6 a year ago, battery life was around 5 hours for the first week, 8-10 later. It just takes time to fall into a normal usage pattern with a new device, and you can't judge battery life before that.

I read in another thread that iOS is indexing the file system and to not judge for the first 48 hours. I'm on my second 6s+, both with TSMC. I traded my Verizon 64gb in for a Sim-Free 128gb on Friday. The battery life on the first phone was epic. Jury is still out on this second phone...

 

[Benjamin Frost]

Real world usage for me:

6s TSMC. T-Mobile, 128GB.

Steady on those Dominos. They're dripping with calories, albeit tasty ones.