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Some may consider the in screen ultrasonic fingerprint scanner, with its increased security over optical fp sensors, to be more than just a "spec bump"...
A finger print reader by any other name is still a finger reader. Innovation lately is a fluid definition. One persons innovation seems to be another’s next version.

Hey, I’m just going by what I’m reading here.
 
A finger print reader by any other name is still a finger reader. Innovation lately is a fluid definition. One persons innovation seems to be another’s next version.

Hey, I’m just going by what I’m reading here.
So you would have the same opinion if Apple changed the style of FaceID sensor which allowed it to "see" through the screen as Samsung's fp "sees" through the screen.
 
I don’t see Samsung pushing anything forward except a spec bump. See how easy to say when there is no substance behind a critical remark?

Further on the S10 release, Samsung is rumoured to be introducing "Sound on Display" technology whereby the phone screen conducts sound directly to the users ear. Would you consider this to be innovative? So no need for a loudspeaker aparture at the top of the phone.
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Absolutely. Iris scanners are innovative. The genesis of them started in 1953 and they became widespread in use in the 2000s.
And the same is true of fingerprint sensors. Different dates. So Iris Scanner in a phone is as innovative as TouchID in a phone.
 
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Further on the S10 release, Samsung is rumoured to be introducing "Sound on Display" technology whereby the phone screen conducts sound directly to the users ear. Would you consider this to be innovative? So no need for a loudspeaker aparture at the top of the phone.
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And the same is true of fingerprint sensors. Different dates. So Iris Scanner in a phone is as innovative as TouchID in a phone.
Bone conductive technology has been around. Not innovative. And you think iris scanning tech in a phone is innovative. Depends on what is done with it.

Is the neural engine innovative? Smart hdr?
 
Bone conductive technology has been around. Not innovative. And you think iris scanning tech in a phone is innovative. Depends on what is done with it.

Is the neural engine innovative? Smart hdr?
Bone conduction is used in items like headphones, of which I have a pair. But has never been used in smartphones. So a different application.
You think TouchID in a phone is innovative. So the logic is, if Apple buy a tech and put it into a phone, it is innovative :)

Edit: Iris scanning in a phone is used to provide a secure means of identification such as at a payment terminal.
 
Bone conduction is used in items like headphones, of which I have a pair. But has never been used in smartphones. So a different application.
You think TouchID in a phone is innovative. So the logic is, if Apple buy a tech and put it into a phone, it is innovative :)
The logic must be if android puts an existing technology in a phone, it’s innovative.:p
 
The logic must be if android puts an existing technology in a phone, it’s innovative.:p
But in order to buy a technology, it must also exist.
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The logic must be if android puts an existing technology in a phone, it’s innovative.:p
And yes, to utilise an existing technology and find a new application can indeed be patentable.
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The logic must be if android puts an existing technology in a phone, it’s innovative.:p
You also seemingly don't understand the difference between an OS and a hardware manufacturer. Samsung make a hardware design and they include the hardware of sensors etc into their design. The OS could be Android or in the instance of Samsung Tizen. Sensors are not dependant upon OD.

Edit : spelling corrections.
 
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But in order to buy a technology, it must also exist.
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And yes, to utilise an existing technology and find a new application can indeed be patentable.
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You also seemingly don't understand the difference between an OS and a hardware manufacturer. Samsung make a hardware design and they include the hardware of sensors etc into their design. The OS could be Android or in the instance of Samsung Tizen. Sensors are not depend nt upon OD.
I’m not sure you know that virtually every piece of hardware in a mobile phone and some features have been around for many years. For example Facial recognition biometrics isn’t innovative in and of itself however using it as a single point of authentication and protection for many of the processes on the phone is. Putting an nfc chip into a phone isn’t innovative, but using the nfc chip (for example) to setup your new iPhone is.
 
I’m not sure you know that virtually every piece of hardware in a mobile phone and some features have been around for many years. For example Facial recognition biometrics isn’t innovative in and of itself however using it as a single point of authentication and protection for many of the processes on the phone is. Putting an nfc chip into a phone isn’t innovative, but using the nfc chip (for example) to setup your new iPhone is.
I thought I was communicating with a typical person. However the sudden introduction of "Android" into discussions about hardware and the associated software tends to indicate I am dealing with a fanboy. No point in responding further.
 
I thought I was communicating with a typical person. However the sudden introduction of "Android" into discussions about hardware and the associated software tends to indicate I am dealing with a fanboy. No point in responding further.
I thought it was funny (not funny haha) that we were playing name that innovation. Many of what is in today’s phones predate iPhone and android. It’s not the hardware that’s innovative it’s the software.

See you around, or maybe not.
 
I thought it was funny (not funny haha) that we were playing name that innovation. Many of what is in today’s phones predate iPhone and android. It’s not the hardware that’s innovative it’s the software.

See you around, or maybe not.
Software, but not the OS.
 
It did take off. The note edge was the pre-cursor to the curved displays on Samsung flagships today. When Samsung had flat versions and curved versions on sale at the same time, the edge version sold the most.

Sure, but I meant it didn’t take off in the sense that most other OEMs never followed suit despite the technology being available for several years. The edge widgets on the note 4 edge wasn’t utilized much and the curve seems much less pronounced now, becoming mostly a aesthetic choice rather than Samsung’s original intent of it being functional.
 
Sure, but I meant it didn’t take off in the sense that most other OEMs never followed suit despite the technology being available for several years. The edge widgets on the note 4 edge wasn’t utilized much and the curve seems much less pronounced now, becoming mostly a aesthetic choice rather than Samsung’s original intent of it being functional.
Huwawei and xioami have copied. Edge apps are still available on Samsung’s latest phones.
 



Samsung today announced it will be hosting an event on Wednesday, February 20 at 11:00 a.m. Pacific Time at the Bill Graham Civic Auditorium in San Francisco, with the media invitation teasing new Galaxy S10 smartphones.

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Samsung's event invite

The Wall Street Journal today reported that Samsung plans to announce three new Galaxy S10 models along with an all-new foldable smartphone dubbed the "Galaxy Fold" at the event, with a simultaneous keynote in London. A fourth model with 5G network support will allegedly be released later in the spring.

Rumors point towards Samsung unveiling a lower-end Galaxy S10 Lite with a 5.8-inch display, Galaxy S10 with a 6.1-inch display, and Galaxy S10+ with a 6.4-inch display. The devices are expected to be released in March as usual.

Samsung typically unveils its Galaxy S smartphones at Mobile World Congress in Barcelona, which takes place February 25-28 this year. Samsung reportedly decided to move up its announcement since Chinese smartphone maker Huawei plans to introduce a competing foldable smartphone at the trade show.

Leaks suggest Galaxy S10 models will feature a so-called "hole-punch" display with a small cutout for the front camera instead of a notch. More cameras are also expected across the lineup, with up to a four-lens rear camera and dual-lens front camera expected on at least one Galaxy S10+ variant.

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Alleged photo of Galaxy S10 via Evan Blass

Galaxy smartphones are one of the biggest rivals to the iPhone, which is also expected to gain a triple-lens rear camera in 2019. Apple is unlikely to switch to a hole-punch display, however, due to the various sensors required for Face ID.

Article Link: Samsung Announces Galaxy S10 Event on February 20 in San Francisco, May Include Foldable Smartphone
Hopefully they’ll fix the annoying “moisture in charging port bug.”
 
I don’t see Samsung pushing anything forward except a spec bump. See how easy to say when there is no substance behind a critical remark?
If you consider pioneering foldable designs a spec bump, there must be something wrong with your objective assessment. Calling for substance (...?)

My idea is that Sammy shows leadership and innovation (yes, it will have flaws like the first MS Surface iterations) whereas Apple for foldable devices yet only filed patents in the role of patent troll, i.e. to obstruct others
 
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If you consider pioneering foldable designs a spec bump, there must be something wrong with your objective assessment. Calling for substance (...?)

My idea is that Sammy shows leadership and innovation (yes, it will have flaws like the first MS Surface iterations) whereas Apple for foldable devices yet only filed patents in the role of patent troll, i.e. to obstruct others
Maybe your definition of leadership and innovation should be tweaked a bit, objectively speaking of course.
 
Maybe your definition of leadership and innovation should be tweaked a bit, objectively speaking of course.
Of course, to comform to your notion of Apple being the leader and Sammy the follower (= leading in foldable screens, wireless charging, OLED and a few more things)
 
Of course, to comform to your notion of Apple being the leader and Sammy the follower (= leading in foldable screens, wireless charging, OLED and a few more things)
A few more things, like wifi chip, cellular chip, all screen design, etc. Sounds like you understand who copied who in 2008 and who lead and who followed.
 
There are still bezels on the iphone X and the current Samsung phones (note 9, S9) have a better screen to body ratio than the iphone xs/xsmax
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Samsung say it's facial recognition shouldn't be used as it's primary security. Iris scanning can be used to authenticate Samsung pay and Samsung consider it to be very secure.

The 3D facial scanning on the mate 20 pro is supposed to be similar to the set up on the iphone x.
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It has to be secure enough which I'm sure it will. Face ID isn't the only way of securely unlocking a phone.


Unfortunately false, the iPhone beats Samsung (although by very very small amount) in screen to body ratio. Plus the iPhone has no chin, or bar across the entire top.
 
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