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Safely mount off your high horse before getting thrown off. Seriously, if you can't even see what the reality is, let me tell you:

- Built in wireless charging
- 3GB DDR4 RAM
- Minimum 32GB storage.
- Much improved camera (we shall see by how much)
- Industry leading 14nm 8 core processor.
- incredibly quick charging
- 2k Amoled screen

If you can't even remotely see the innovation here, because your so bent on hating, then please go ahead and sell your Note 4 if it makes you feel better.

Nothing in this list is innovation. Look up the meaning of iteration.

But to be honest very little room to innovate in the phone space. Although the force press technology on iPhone screens (i.e. Apple watch) is the first bit of true innovation in years.
 
But to be honest very little room to innovate in the phone space. Although the force press technology on iPhone screens (i.e. Apple watch) is the first bit of true innovation in years.

Reminds me a bit of the Blackberry Storm with its clickable touchscreen. Sounds neat, but in practice it was a bit of a pain.

Consider which you think is easier to always get right: pushing harder to bring up a context menu, or the current method of a long press.

A long press is easy to define. It's time based. Pressure press is more difficult to define universally. I know some people who jab hard at their screen all the time, for example.

OTOH, it should help people trying to use an inactive stick stylus on an Apple device to paint. (Whereas on some competing devices, there's a Wacom digitizer built-in and pressure sensitive active styluses.)
 
It's one thing to say that Apple Pay is adopting at break-neck speed but it impressive that Samsung can say over 90% right now.

Is Samsung pay less secure since it just broadcasts the magnetic field, making it easier to intercept?
 
Is Samsung pay less secure since it just broadcasts the magnetic field, making it easier to intercept?

Yea because people are just hovering around stores with magnetic field interceptors waiting for that soccer mom to buy milk.....
 
Samsung Pay
3 colors, gold, silver, black
Non removable battery
No micro SD slot
Similar hardware design
Similar storage options

Welcome to the Samsung iPhone S6.

Manufactured in Korea, designed by Apple in California.
Welcome back to 2012 Samsung. Seriously.
 
Looks like a great phone. The only problem is that it uses Android. No matter what you think about ios8 it's still far more usable than the horrid android OS.

Depending on what you are after.
iOS is stale now. iOS is also a visual disaster. The white point is exaggerated and the flat icons are atrocious. If you look at the flat design on the Mac some of the icons still have shape, (contrast Contacts and XCode or HandBrake with Activity Monitor and System Preferences - not everything has to be a square with a radiused corner).
Not that fond of Windows phone either, (used one for work for the past 4 months).
But Android. I’m not hugely keen on one but have only used a single handset briefly in the past, I think it was an XCover something or other. Anyhow, it was just a loner and of course I didn’t move across contacts and music etc. The interface, (not how you actually navigated through it), was much nicer.
What’s stopping me moving across? - Will I be able to sync Music, Contacts and Calendars with an App on the phone and a sister App on the Mac, not in the cloud? At that point I’d like to get rid of Music, Contacts and Calendars on the phone amongst other things. See now one of the accusations I see levelled here against Android is bloat. Well Stocks, Game Centre, Passbook etc etc are all bloat too but I can’t get rid of them.
What’s tempting me? - The GS6.
Trouble is no phone company are going to let me borrow one for 4 months to see how it compares in the real world.

Apple are all about uniformity, (or is it conformity), and that's now becoming a negative for me. Whilst I won’t be getting rid of my Macs anytime soon, (they are far too versatile and can easily be hacked to suit me), I’m not so sure I can say the same for my iPhone as that’s much more of a ‘you will be assimilated'.
 
I love how when apple named everything iThis and iThat. Samsung named everything sThis and sThat. Now that new Apple products are being named Apple this and that Samsung is now doing th same.

Likewise, Apple named things I-this and I-that because that's what everyone else was doing at the time. "Internet" and "Interactive" were hot back then.

And at least Samsung came up with a name unused by anyone else, ridiculously derivative as it might be. (After all, what are the choices? Pay? Wallet? Softcard?)

Apple has at times simply taken trademarked names that others are already using (e.g. iPhone, iPod, App Store) and then bullied/paid their way into ownership. Not to mention trying to trademark "Multi-Touch" as their own, even though it was a well known term.

So in comparison and in the overall scheme of things, "Samsung Pay" is not so bad. Although, man! it's unimaginative, for sure.

Apple didn't rush anything, Apple pay is exactly what they wanted it to be and it's more than what samsung mobile payments can do. Apple pay isn't just about mobile payments, it's about in app and website payments too.

Apple Pay does not work on websites. You're thinking of Google Wallet.
 
Really nice looking phone. I think I will be switching back to Samsung. :)

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Samsung pay sounds awesome. Can't wait.
 
That's a nice looking phone...

Haters will always find a reason to hate though, so discussing its merits around here seem kinda pointless.
 
It's one step. Unless taking the phone out of your pocket is a step.

1) hold phone near payment system with thumb on home button.

2) put phone back in your pocket.

Just random, in Singapore,

Take yr credit card out
tap on the payment system
Put card back in wallet.

Almost same function as Apple pay =P
 
side by side comparison carried out by Pocket Now Daily, and even they state it's hard to tell their designs apart!

Then you must be almost blind?

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I don't know for certain as I'm not an Android follower, but I do know that some of my colleagues who use Android devices are just as fanatic about their special features as many Apple lovers are of their devices. Personally I just enjoy tech and if ratio of price to my-enjoyment is favorable enough I'll purchase regardless of the company. E.g. the ratio isn't favorable for Apple Watch at this point in time for me.

And what special features would that be?
 
Likewise, Apple named things I-this and I-that because that's what everyone else was doing at the time. "Internet" and "Interactive" were hot back then.

And at least Samsung came up with a name unused by anyone else, ridiculously derivative as it might be. (After all, what are the choices? Pay? Wallet? Softcard?)

Apple has at times simply taken trademarked names that others are already using (e.g. iPhone, iPod, App Store) and then bullied/paid their way into ownership. Not to mention trying to trademark "Multi-Touch" as their own, even though it was a well known term.

So in comparison and in the overall scheme of things, "Samsung Pay" is not so bad. Although, man! it's unimaginative, for sure.



Apple Pay does not work on websites. You're thinking of Google Wallet.

Samsung Wallet might have been a better choice, given that Samsung wants you to use their payment system over the default payment system on Android (Google Wallet).

The backward compatibility with magnetic stripe systems is legitimately useful, at least for now. That said, there must be a reason BOTH Google AND Apple passed on the opportunity to buy LoopPay. My guess is that the card issuers really want to give retailers an incentive to upgrade to new payment systems rather than keep their old systems around for any longer.

I think the Galaxy S6 will sell well, and it represents the phone that the S5 should have been. I do wonder whether it is a day late and a dollar short. Yes, it's a nice looking phone and has great specs, but today, even Xiaomi is out there producing nice looking phones with great specs. Was Samsung's "lost year" a permanent loss for the company or just a bump in the road? We'll find out soon enough.
 
read "cameras with f/1.9 lenses for improved low-light photos"

Take THAT Apple. :p

but i'm sure like to know how the hell will Apple beat this now.. while Apple still like to say "iphone 6/Plus has the best camera."

They may want to re-think that now.
 
This is what it comes down to in the end. Apple always finds a way to reduce everything to 1 step.
And if they cnt they copy from others that could.


That's $18 billion in revenue, not profits. I don't see the online ad revenue increasing to $40 billion any time soon.
So? I was always talking about revenue

https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/20768508/

And I just showed you a source that states it will be there this year or the next .

You made a stupid comment, there is loads of profit to be had with android, just as much or even more then with iOS. Stupid comments happen, let it go and move on.

Google's profits are already plateauing, there is not much more space for ads. They still can't figure out a 2nd major profit engine.

This was about developers not google. Again look at the sources I gave you plenty of proof there are huge amounts of money to be made on android platform. Stop parroting everything you hear.
 
read "cameras with f/1.9 lenses for improved low-light photos"

Take THAT Apple. :p

but i'm sure like to know how the hell will Apple beat this now.. while Apple still like to say "iphone 6 has the best camera."

They may want to re-think that now.

Maybe by putting a better sensor in the iPhone 6S? :confused:
 
Likewise, Apple named things I-this and I-that because that's what everyone else was doing at the time. "Internet" and "Interactive" were hot back then.

And at least Samsung came up with a name unused by anyone else, ridiculously derivative as it might be. (After all, what are the choices? Pay? Wallet? Softcard?)

Apple has at times simply taken trademarked names that others are already using (e.g. iPhone, iPod, App Store) and then bullied/paid their way into ownership. Not to mention trying to trademark "Multi-Touch" as their own, even though it was a well known term.

So in comparison and in the overall scheme of things, "Samsung Pay" is not so bad. Although, man! it's unimaginative, for sure.



Apple Pay does not work on websites. You're thinking of Google Wallet.

Since you like facts so much... here's one for you :
http://www.paymentssource.com/news/...aves-some-technology-loopholes-3020667-1.html

BTW, if the original card has a chip in it, you can't use it in a swipe terminal if it also accepts chip/pin (there would be no point to the added security otherwise) and I doubt that will change. So, many right now won't work with the S6 using looppay and by the end of the year, most big retailers won't work either.

This is from the link I pointed
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The big problem is that magstripe technology is very legacy. At the very least that means the scheme will carry a lot of the security baggage of magstripe. The app itself can be password-protected, but the ability to skim the magnetic stripe remains. LoopPay claim that they will remove some of the expiry date information to combat online fraud, but this is not data that is difficult to guess using (at worst) a brute force attack.

In many countries it is common to hand over one's magstripe card to a cashier who does the card swipe. This may pose a challenge for wide scale adoption. I’m not sure I’d want to hand over my phone. More significantly though, merchants with EMV readers may instruct consumers to use physical card to make payments because this the terminal will perceive this as an attempt to circumvent the chip security and demand that the card be ‘dipped’ in the chip reader. It also means that as EMV terminals roll out, Apple Pay’s acceptance will grow and LoopPay’s will shrink.(On its site, LoopPay says it is working on an EMV-related solution to fix what it calls an "inconvience.")

Also, if Samsung embeds LoopPay into the Galaxy S6, they’ll also be limited severely with regard to supported handsets (although they can still sell charge cases and fobs – though this’ll likely struggle to record significant adoption).

Notwithstanding all the above, I can't help feeling that this is all rather backward. As the world takes deliberate steps toward EMV and enhanced security features, Samsung is taking a step toward magstripe. There must be a strong strategic intent to capture the opportunity in the magstripe space now, while following with a solid phase two plan.
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Seems that this article think this is merely a kludgy stopgap to fill a big feature hole and Samsung will replace this with something better by next year.

BTW, I live in Canada, and I haven't seen a swipe only terminal in any major retailer in 4-5 years. All the about 20+ mid sized stores/shops/restaurants (1-15 employees) within a few blocks from my home have chip and pin. Even my corner convenience store had it 5 years ago. So, not sure were those 17% of terminals are hiding...
 
Is it just me, or is Samsung also ripping Apple off by using the same kind of "johny ive - look out how this looks" type of music and feel type ad ?

When Apple does it... it's actually good, but when Samsung do it, its just creepy.
 
My argument is that the iPhone 6+ is a blatant copy of Samsung's Galaxy Note line.

So far, that argument has not been sufficienty disproven as it is a product that is a direct response to Samsung's Galaxy Note.

Game. Set. Match.

The iPhone 6 and 6 Plus sales are killing Samsung phone sales. Game over.
 
Apple Pay (and Google Wallet) currently work in far less stores in the US than LoopPay (aka Samsung Pay).

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Interestingly, Mastercard teamed up with Samsung Pay to enable tokenized transactions even from the magnetic side of things.

Thanks for this. Only positive from a consumer perspective. I hope Samsung Pay is at least as successful as Apple Pay. The sooner these secure mobile payment systems are mainstream globally, the better!

Same for the phone itself. Ultimately, while I did cringe at half that article, this is a very good phone, and Apple will have to make sure they continue to make the iPhone better. Again, consumer wins, these companies have to do everything they can to stay ahead pf each other.

Now I prefer Apple products, as my signature shows, but good competitors is essential for a mega corporation to not get complacent.
 
Honest question, does fast charging degrade the battery over time? If not then I definitely hope we see that with the next iPhone.

I'd say no, based on research Ive been doing, albeit NiMh. A few camera experts said that 1 hour charging on a 2000 mAH battery is too fast, 2 hours is ok. This is a full charge. If Sammys fast charge is 1 hour for 40% that seems ok.
IANAL I am not a L'Batterie expert!

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The main distinction between Apple and Samsung (and other top Android makers) these days is the OS/ecosystem. The hardware is all very capable and rather similar, regardless of who copied whom on a particular feature. I'd certainly take a Galaxy S(whatever) running iOS over an iphone(whatever) running Android.

This is a nice incremental update to the hardware, but it's nothing that would make an iOS devotee want to jump ship, and probably nothing that would make a previous generation galaxy owner terribly jealous. (and yes, the same can be said of most apple hardware updates)

I agree fully. OS is key, and these phones are all pretty darn good, and pretty darn familiar.
 
CRT again???

I have lived in the era of CRT curved monitors. I still remember the joy and amazement when I first switch to a flat screen monitor. Why are we going back to curved screens? It seems crazy to me.
 
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