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I think your interpretation of my maths is off.

Regardless of the area of the phones faces, which is the random calculation you have performed, the S4 is about 1cm taller and 1cm wider than an iPhone 5 which means, lo and behold, it requires 1cm more space in both width and height to fit in a given space, hence my original statement.

It's not 1cm taller and 1cm wider, according to the dimensions you gave.

"iPhone 5: 123.8 x 58.6 x 7.6 mm
Samsung Galaxy S4: 136.6 x 69.8 x 7.9 mm"

136.6 - 123.8 = 12.8mm
69.8 - 58.6 = 11.2mm

It rounds to 1cm, but you need to give more significant digits.
 
No matter how much you Apple folk are trying to delude yourself into it - while this isn't a huge leap forward, it's not an 'S' progression update.

When you put the 4 and the 4S next to each other, you literally cannot tell the difference. They look identical until you turn the phone on and look at some features.

The S3 to S4 progression features a different (albeit slight) shape, a different shaped home button, a different screen size, a different handset footprint, chrome banding, different camera and speaker placement etc - not to mention the first handset in the world with an Octa-core CPU and, correct me if I'm wrong, but it's the first handset with LTE roaming.

Like I said, it's not a huge leap forward, but it's not an S progression update either.

Something for Apple to consider.
 
...but would consider a Nexus if Android market wasn't pure crap compared to the iOS app store.
I guess that depends on what types of apps you use. There are absolutely apps I use on my iPhone/iPad that I can't get for my Nexus 4/Nexus 7, but, in general, I'm really quite happy with the Google Play app selection, and Google Play is a much better iTunes Match than iTunes Match - up to 20K songs stored for free, sucked out of iTunes if you want, available on anything (including iDevices) with a network connection, and locally storable as well if you want.

Apple has the iMessage protocol, which is a great lock-in, and iTunes video, which is more easily viewed on a TV than Google Play video, but other than that, there's a lot of compelling stuff on Play.

That's not to knock the App Store - it's still better in terms of content. But Play is easier to use, and it's catching up in terms of content. The old "Android apps suck/Android has no tablet apps/etc." stuff is really just not true anymore. It is absolutely not "pure crap".
 
Eh - who cares who's talking. They had Samsung reps there.

I thought this was a much better preso then Sony's for the PS4

....but I was not There and since I did not see Sony's PS4 keynote, the S4 keynote is the worst I've seen. I had to go to other Youtube sites to get a better look at the S4. So far, IMO nothing on the S4 is worth leaving apple's ecosystem.
 
i seriously have no clue why apple fans think android phones have crap battery life, look at the run time of my galaxy nexus, WAY more than 1 full day (24 full hours)

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Some Android phones DO have crap battery life, still. Others do not...

Saying that, I don't think iPhone has great battery life either.

But I'm afraid that its just down to an old reputation that Android phones have pretty bad battery performance, no matter if the reality is different today for some Android phones.

I long for an iPhone where its battery can last for more than a day under moderate use...
 
Now waiting for the incremental iPhone 5S in 6 months, still featuring a dual core CPU when the rest of the world has movied on to quad core.

All they have to do is add a bit of speed to the processor and add another megapixel to the camera and people will be lining up and going crazy over the iPhone 5S. Apple knows they don't need to do much to it and people will go completely bonkers over it.

That is the great thing about the iPhone for Apple. It is a cash cow no matter how much or little they do to the next upgrade. Most people buying it care more about it being an "iPhone" then what is actually inside of it.
 
The difference is Apple spent years toting how their 3.5" screen was the perfect size.

Samsung was always open to bringing phones with larger screens to the market, and pushing those boundaries - taking risks, if you will.

Apple kept mocking the large screen sizes, and then were forced to eat their words when they saw how well they were selling.

I don't think you understand what innovation is... doing the same thing you have always done is not innovation. Call Apple hypocrites, but don't use the word innovation to describe Samsung.

I just don't understand why people are so defensive about their phones, are they so insecure about their purchasing decisions that they have to put someone else down to make what they have sound better? Get what suits you better, iphone doesn't suit everyone and android phones don't suit everyone.

Apple is going through what Microsoft went through in the early 2000's if anyone is successful you have to hate them and tear them down, unfortunately it boils down to jealousy.
 
I must say the Galaxy S 4 is very impressive.

Of greatest interest now, is how Apple responds.

I'd sure like to see them offer an iPhone that's more exciting & even more functional. And I don't mean matching features. If focused, Apple can be very creative.

A fresh new J. Ive design to show off his vast expertise, combined with some significant UI improvements, Apple could then _show_ what their best work is. No hype needed.
 
Pretty cool features, though they will easily kill the battery on the phone quick. Design of the phone is still ugly. Event was horrible, what the hell were they thinking to put on a show like that?

Nothing impressive here.

Apple gang forever.
 
I don't think you understand what innovation is... doing the same thing you have always done is not innovation. Call Apple hypocrites, but don't use the word innovation to describe Samsung.

The screen size itself wasn't innovative, but what a larger screen allowed you to do was - for example, split screen application multitasking on the Note 2.

Is it REALLY innovation? Perhaps not, but you could debate it.
 
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Like I said, it's not a huge leap forward, but it's not an S progression update either.

Not to mention the camera software. Being able to edit people in real time is amazing and will change the way photos are taken. I guarantee Apple is copying or emulating the 'zoe'-like features that we saw on this and the HTC One.
 
wonder how Phil feels about it shipping with Android 4.2.2, lol

Perhaps, Phil was implying that once next iphone comes out, S iv won't run the next android os (whatever k would stand for). Also, it is not the nexus that always will get the future os first.
 
Perhaps, Phil was implying that once next iphone comes out, S iv won't run the next android os (whatever k would stand for). Also, it is not the nexus that always will get the future os first.

He was mudslinging and got caught. The Nexus will get K first, but the Nexus will not get Touchwiz or any of those updates. I wish I knew it was getting those sweet camera capabilities, for example, but it might not. They are different beasts.
 
At 440 ppi pentile would not matter. This is the best sceen ever.

Haha... care to give any facts to back this up?

AMOLED can't produce accurate colors and is lousy in daylight. Pen tile can't support proper font smoothing. But. It is "the best screen evar". And an albatross is better than an eagle?
 
Hey folks, can we all recall that the iPhone 5 launched on September 21. And the GS4 is coming sometime in April nearly 7 months later.

Apple could whip out a 5" phone in about a month if they wanted to. And while the GS4 will sell and might even outsell the 5 next quarter. It is going to have to compete with the 5S fairly soon. And possibly with the rumored iPhone Plus.

They'll have to whip out something in the 4.7-5" range eventually. The sooner, the better for their stock. A marginal 5S update will be a disappointment for many.
 
Screen is specs for specs' sale.
Other interesting features are available on iOS already through third party apps and accessories.

Home server looks interesting thought. Apple should have a home cloud server.

really? NFC is a third party plug in for apple?:rolleyes:
 
An Android device with a quad-core processor is STILL slower than a dual-core (or even a single-core) processor in an iPhone. See, iOS has better management of resources, while Android just slaps a bunch of crap and useless items into a phone and it gets shipped.
That was pretty much universally true not all that long ago. It no longer is true.

There are still - and likely always will be - crap Android implementations and crap HW for Android phones. But the flagship phones aren't in any way as you describe. My Nexus 4 is as fast as my wife's 5 (and has an unlocked cost of less than half as much). On the other hand, the camera on the N4 sucks ass - but I guess I had to lose out somewhere.

There are plusses and minuses of iOS 6 and of Jelly Bean 4.2.2, but there is no clear winner now - unlike a year or two ago. Android has made great strides, and iOS has... not. I eagerly await iOS 7 and hope that Ive has his way with it, because otherwise Apple will not be in a good spot.
 
Paid spammers?

I remember reading several times that most Chinese and Korean companies use services of agencies that spam forums and blogs.

Reading these comments... sadly many of them smell rotten to me... they look like uninspired paid-for spam made by those agencies...

I'm afraid that I'll probably stop reading comments at all - it looks like a few interesting comments are buried in a sea of pro-Android spam.
 
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