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Apple should try to exit the smart phone business and save some face while they still have some pride.

No way can they withstand the assault that Samsung is going to provide with their ever more impressive innovations.

The iPhone survived so long thanks to gimmicks, but its not getting it done anymore. Apple will be smart to enter some other market segment like smart watches.

But then where would Samsung get their ideas?
 
Worst Keynote Ever
I hated the fact that they didn't even demo the features in real time. Just video's..

And what about that girl with the gloves and all the goddamn dancing??
Embarrassing and plain akward. Didn't believe what I was seeing.

Not gonna say anything about the s4 till reviews come out.
 
u mean to say that the same lame user experience on iOS since 2007 is great? it's just sad....everyone in my friends circle and work place are dumping their iphones for samsung.....the screen size on iphone 5 is ridiculous!! terrible resolution, pathetic battery life, LTE signal is terrible(cant blame AT&T coz my friends HTC one x has better speeds on same network), the new earphone jack in the bottom is sad, "earpods" are a joke to say the least! crappy mono speaker.....the list is never ending.....

iPhones were considered "cool" until a year ago.....people laugh at you if u upgrade to an iPhone5 now.....samsung galaxy series is the new "cool" kid on the block now....

And I get better LTE service and reception on my iphone 5 then my brother's Galaxy note 2, or my cousins HTC ONE X...
 
What would be killer is if Apple came out with an iPhone 1 again, with modern CPU & display. Basically an iPod touch with a GSM/CDMA phone but no 3G or LTE, so that there's no data plan required.

This is the phone Apple needs for China/India, and for people that use a phone as a phone only and for the iPod function.

Is it even possible to get a smartphone without buying a data plan?

The problem with iPhone (and iPod) in developing countries is how Apple works the software. For example, to have an iPod you need a computer and an internet connection because you need iTunes. Compare that to Android, where you just need the phone and data (although you can use a computer too, I guess). It adds extra steps and expenses.

You can buy an unlocked phone to get something without a data plan.
 
u mean to say that the same lame user experience on iOS since 2007 is great? it's just sad....everyone in my friends circle and work place are dumping their iphones for samsung.....the screen size on iphone 5 is ridiculous!! terrible resolution, pathetic battery life, LTE signal is terrible(cant blame AT&T coz my friends HTC one x has better speeds on same network), the new earphone jack in the bottom is sad, "earpods" are a joke to say the least! crappy mono speaker.....the list is never ending.....

iPhones were considered "cool" until a year ago.....people laugh at you if u upgrade to an iPhone5 now.....samsung galaxy series is the new "cool" kid on the block now....

That presentation sure didn't seem very cool...
 
While I like the idea of having a quad core under the hood, I can't help but thinking how smooth the iPhone 5 is with A6. It doesn't need anything faster. It shows how efficient iOS is and how very very inefficient the other side is and it is still not as smooth as iOS with all those power. :D

This isn't just in iOS, but Macs as well. Imagine if you run Windows on a 1.6 GHz C2D...

when you have minimal features on a OS, it does get faster on a slower hardware...it's not rocket science....look at the amount of new software features s4 has....granted most of it are worthless just like siri, apple maps and those cr@ppy apple apps.....but at least they are new OS features instead of just another lame "app"
 
why is it not allowed to talk about it here? are you losing money or sleep because of it?

No - It's like this - I should be able to go into a country music forum and discuss how much Taylor Swift sucks or is awesome. Fine. Compare her to Faith Hill, Reba, etc. But there shouldn't be a 75% majority on there saying, Oh, well, Beyonce and Pink are so much better - country music sucks!

Android fans have overtaken these boards, and it's just sad. They should go to their own boards and talk about how much the iPhone sucks. But they have their panties all in a bunch and treat Android like a religion that they must 'convert' the Apple followers. I don't see huge numbers of Apple fanatics in Android forums. Says something about the Android fans inferiority complex.

There I go, I've now thrown fire into this thread. Sheesh.
 
The problem with iPhone (and iPod) in developing countries is how Apple works the software. For example, to have an iPod you need a computer and an internet connection because you need iTunes. Compare that to Android, where you just need the phone and data (although you can use a computer too, I guess). It adds extra steps and expenses.

You can buy an unlocked phone to get something without a data plan.

You don't need iTunes or a PC to use an iPad and iPhone. You haven't since iOS 5.
 
I dont expect samsung or apple to bring out something revolutionary in phones for the next few years. Thats why companies are focussing on other technologies (like google glass)

I think the possibility of tactile response on touch displays would be the next mobile revolution (unless you count other form-factors like Glass or watches as revolutions, of course). Being able to feel different textures will be a game changer.
 
5" for a phone is just ridiculous for me.

Dimensions
iPhone 5: 123.8 x 58.6 x 7.6 mm
Samsung Galaxy S4: 136.6 x 69.8 x 7.9 mm

Weight
iPhone 5: 112g
Samsung Galaxy S4: 130g

Screen Resolution:

iPhone 5: 1136x640 (0.72 MP) (326 PPI)
Samsung Galaxy S4: 1920x1080 (2.07MP) (441PPI)

A phone which is 1cm longer and wider than an iPhone and only 20 grams heavier while packing in a screen which is in a different league seems like a good deal.

Not trying to sound critical but how much better can a display get when once it leaves the ability to be seen by the human retina? Serious question. To me anything over 400+ seems pretty pointless.

The standard for retina is based around averages: a person of typical height (therefore typical arm length) with typical eyesight holding a phone at a typical distance away from themselves.

So examples where the extra PPI could be successful:

- person has better than average vision (20/15, 20/10 et cetera)
- person holds the phone more closely than usual
- person is short (shorter people have shorter arms therefore holding the phone closer to their eyes)
- a combination of the above
- 1-to-1 pixel mapping for video content
 
This is utter bs. It used to be true, but just isn't anymore.

Show me a reference to where java garbage collection can be controlled by the developer. It can't be. System.gc() can be called, but this is just a REQUEST to the Java JVM to run garbage collection 'when it can'.

And 'LagFix' is something else entirely which doesn't solve this problem. It appears to solves the lags sometimes for poorly written apps, but it's not the solution yet. I have no doubt that the solution will appear, it's just not here yet.
 
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im tired of the spec war and ********. i like icloud and how i could setup my ipad and the iphone i used to have right from my backup there without hooking up to a computer.

however i hoped apple would innovate in a way of shaping the way cellphones, subsidies and contracts are done in the US and they havent. i dropped the iphone end of last year because i didnt want to be tied to a contract and carrier would double priced plans anymore or subsidies. so i have a nexus directly from google and while not all is perfect the latest version of android does pretty well.

i want unlocked phones at better prices, instead of $700 smartphones that are outdated in 3 months. where the game changing is in smartphones is moving in the way of prepaid, better smartphones unlocked at lower prices. thats the smart move and hopefully apple, google, sony or samsung pick up on it and move that way.
 
Yeah, but it's not pen-tile...

Well, according to The Verge and most other sites, it is. I do not claim to know (I don't), but I can only comment based on information available. If you have a reliable source having better info, please provide a link. Thx!
 
when you have minimal features on a OS, it does get faster on a slower hardware...it's not rocket science....look at the amount of new software features s4 has....granted most of it are worthless just like siri, apple maps and those cr@ppy apple apps.....but at least they are new OS features instead of just another lame "app"

Does the phone run smoothly? No? Then Samsung failed.

Many early reviews are saying the S4 is laggy. <b>In 2013</b>. So you expect users to sacrifice a smooth experience for what...Air Gesture? An annoying gimmick that is more annoying than useful according to many reviews? I feel like we're back in the days of bundled OEM software slowing down Windows PCs. Apple provides a breath of fresh air in comparison. Who cares if they don't include a bunch of useless new non-features with every iteration?
 
Pen tile displays use an uneven sub-pixel count (2 red, 2 green, 1 blue), the actual rendition of content is dynamically adjusted for in the display driver. This works fine for irregular patterns (like images, movies, most games etc.), because this trickery is not detectable by the eye (as long as the pixel size is small enough based on the viewing distance).

The problem is font rendition and the technology OSs use to perform font smoothing (anti-aliasing and sub pixel rendering), as all OSs expect to deal with panels using equal RGB sub-pixel counts. That means they perform font smoothing computations based on wrong assumptions. This is made worse by font smoothing on non-Apple OSs being less efficient anyhow (the Quartz engine in OS X and iOS scales font width, height and weight linearly, other OSs only scale width and height linearly - this results in the actual font weight being different/off at different magnifications).

If you market a 400-something ppi display, people expect to get a text rendering quality that is identical to an Apple "Retina" device. Due to the combined effects of the PenTile sub-pixel layout and less effective font scaling by the OS, they simply will not get that. It is a clear case of designing for an impressive spec sheet, but not for the best results.

Ah, thanks. I'm just interested in these things.
 
Your logic fails because this isn't just an iPhone or iOS message board.

I can own an iMac and a Android phone
I can own a PC and an iPhone
I can own an Apple TV, an iPhone and an Android Tablet
I can own no devices
I can own all Apple

See where I'm going with this? This isn't some exclusive country club. And since the editors themselves post a LOT of stories that aren't APPLE specific - they're obviously on board with people talking about the industry as a whole.

No - It's like this - I should be able to go into a country music forum and discuss how much Taylor Swift sucks or is awesome. Fine. Compare her to Faith Hill, Reba, etc. But there shouldn't be a 75% majority on there saying, Oh, well, Beyonce and Pink are so much better - country music sucks!

Android fans have overtaken these boards, and it's just sad. They should go to their own boards and talk about how much the iPhone sucks. But they have their panties all in a bunch and treat Android like a religion that they must 'convert' the Apple followers. I don't see huge numbers of Apple fanatics in Android forums. Says something about the Android fans inferiority complex.

There I go, I've now thrown fire into this thread. Sheesh.
 
Seem whether Samsung or Apple, people expect every new device to be revolutionary. It just isn't possible. I don't know what Gizmodo thought Samsung could do that would be so revolutionary.

I can easily answer your question. These companies either plant hype into the media or advertise on their own that something of greatness never seen before will be entering our lives. Stay tuned. Especially Apple with all these buzz phrases surrounded by pretty colors of paint oozing down the screen on their website just days before the keynote a new product launch. Apple can fool the most skeptical just before the keynote and then all we get is an (S) added to the same product with possibly one trump feature over the previous model.
 
iOS's "Photos" app cant even view an animated gif, much less make one.

I love Apple and enjoy their products, but it feels inreasingly like they're falling behind. Apple better do something interesting. Screw the 5S, get on with the 6 already.
 
You guys enjoy the iPhone 5S.

Smallish 4 inch screen with a closed limited mobile OS that doesn't allow real workflow in 2013.

So sad that even HTC are making better phones nowadays.
 
And people call this innovation? When Apple releases a phone with new features its dubbed mediocre but now all of a sudden a little bigger screen, Siri like voice feature and one additional feature with spec bumps and it's "WOAH, the next big thing".
 
iPhones were considered "cool" until a year ago.....people laugh at you if u upgrade to an iPhone5 now.....samsung galaxy series is the new "cool" kid on the block now....

Is that why you buy a phone because it is "cool"? You must be pretty insecure if you buy based on what other people think. Personally, I bought my iPhone 4S because it meets my needs and is extremely enjoyable to use. Plus Apple customer service, in my experience, is top notch.
 
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