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Also..first ever Thinkpad, from 1992
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The general form factor design of the iPad is not something that should be able to be patented. It's stupid for anyone (including Apple) to think they can do that.

If a competitive device has literally the exact same dimensions, curves, and materials as the iPad... that's one thing. But you can't patent a 10" x 7" x .3" device, and sue companies for using anything close to those dimensions.

In some respects, I think Apple is a great company. Then they try to patent the dimensions of their devices, or phrases like App Store... and I'm reminded that they're just as bad as the rest.


The worst part about all this is that the Galaxy Tab 10.1 doesn't even have the same aspect ration as the iPad.

Galaxy Tab 10.1 Aspect Ratio - 16:9
iPad Aspect Ratio - 4:3

I like Apple and how innovative they are but they have to stop this crap. The Galaxy Tab 10.1 doesn't look like the iPad.

Although, I do believe Samsung having a single button on the Galaxy S phones is bit of a rip off. All the other Android phones have 4 keys and in fact the 4 hardware keys actually make some of the interaction easier. Samsung should have stuck to the 4 keys instead of using a single home button.
 
Yeah its a coincidence all three things seem to be on the tab that apple is accusing of copying the ipad. :)

As for the standard PDMI connector, I don't see them using it on their other devices? What it just so happen they started using when they release a tablet.

Each of the items mentioned is not unique by themselves, but when you find that many coincidences in a single product you gotta question if they are even trying.


Perhaps it's not coincidence, only wrong knowledge by your part.

PDMI is used only on tablets (like the Dell Streak) , not on phones, the Tab doesn't have a dock and are you saying hat Apple invented that form of packaging?


And this without considering that nor the quick launch nor the connector are part of the case


Although, I do believe Samsung having a single button on the Galaxy S phones is bit of a rip off. All the other Android phones have 4 keys and in fact the 4 hardware keys actually make some of the interaction easier. Samsung should have stuck to the 4 keys instead of using a single home button.

Galaxy phones have three buttons, the home button and two capacitive buttons, all of them physical
 
Question for someone who has seen the movie: are the devices ever portrayed as being anything other than portable viewscreens? From the clip, both pads are just being used as the equivalent of portable televisions, with no user input or other functions.
 
They're tablets, you can clearly see them in the close-up shots, even on the wide angle you can see the corners hanging off the side of the table.
They're never moved on-screen because of the technology they used to make them work, 2001 was made prior to blue/green screen technology.
As far as I remember, they actually used film projectors, and projected the image directly on the screens.

Um....

So how are they tablets?

They are a screen then.

A projection screen != iPad.

Hell, do they interact with them?
Nope.

So how can Samsung claim that a projection screen from a movie equates to a physical computing device?
 
Question for someone who has seen the movie: are the devices ever portrayed as being anything other than portable viewscreens? From the clip, both pads are just being used as the equivalent of portable televisions, with no user input or other functions.
Well, it is adaptation of the book and it the novel the device (called Newspad) is pretty well described. It's amazing how far ahead of the curve some SF writers were.
 
HAL was a supercomputer

Duh, perhaps someone already responded similarly. Perhaps a history lesson for the Samsung layers in needed.

The panel displays aren't a computer, though Apple as yet isn't claiming patent on the flat-panel aka LCD display.
 
Hey Samsung lawyers:

This is from a wonderful little paperback called "The Making of 2001" from 1970, Editor: Jerome Agel.

The point aren't the stills which you can get anywhere. Read the caption. The point is that in case there is any doubt what the filmmakers intended those devices to be, more than 40 years ago someone looked at them and interpreted them thusly: A general purpose presentation device.
 

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Hmm Apple already copied alot in the past...

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Hey, hey, I'm going to use video footage from the original Star Trek series to mount a patent defense against anyone who develops a tricorder in the future.

Tricorder? What about those tiny Ultrasound Gadgets in the Emergency Rooms now?

Sure as hell looks like the device Dr.McCoy used to scan Jim's abdomen on might I say, "more than one occasion".

Prior Art I Say!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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Moses got them all beat
 
Just so all the Samsung-apologists understand, Apple's US case against Samsung contains multiple claims of infringement. The best write-up I've seen is found here - but basically Apple is alleging infringement of seven utility patents, three design patents, trademarks on the iPhone system-app icons, and the Trade Dress registrations on the iPhone, iPod touch, iPad, as well as the packaging they each come in.

Not all of Apple's claims are as strong as others. But some of them, at least, seem extremely convincing. This isn't simply Apple claiming to have patented a Tablet Computing Device or Smartphone. It is very specific about how Samsung uniquely among competitive smartphone makers chose to blatantly copy elements of the Apple devices that had been granted Trademark or Patent protection.

Of particular interest (at least for the tech-minded) is Apple's claim that Samsung infringed patent #7,863,533, a good-old hardware patent, that covers the cantilevered pushbutton with multiple funcrums and contacts. This is a hardware innovation that Samsung (again, apparently alone among Apple competitors) chose to copy without licensing.

This ISN'T about "stifling" innovation. Plenty of other companies managed to create smartphones and tablets that are in no way such blatant "copycats" as Samsung. IMHO Samsung's conduct rises far beyond the normal sort of tech-patent suit-countersuit folderol that usually results in an out-of-court settlement, a token payment, and a cross-licensing agreement.

You may not agree with Apple's position in this case. But it is certainly worth noting that Apple's claims - and evidence - seem to have been solid enough to have persuaded Judges in Australia and Europe to issue injunctions against Samsung. The fact that Samsung is resorting to such laughable "prior art" claims - citing a movie, ought to give anyone defending Samsung pause.
 
Really samsung. Their is so much ways you can make a tablet look different.
BB playbook, Asus transformer. Acer Iconia, Toshiba Thrive. All are different designs.

"overall rectangular shape with a dominant display screen, narrow borders, a predominately flat front surface, a flat back surface, and a thin form factor"

How are the other tablets you mention not like that too?

I think it is total BS that Apple think they can patent a square piece of flat glass that is flat with thin edges, I mean come on
 
Happle 9000: What are you doing Samsung?

Samsung: Open the iPad doors Happle.

Happle 9000: I can't do that Samsung.

Samsung: Drop the lawsuit Happle.

Happle 9000: You know I can't do that Samsung. What are you doing Samsung? What is that? Is that a picture of an ipad 40 years before they came out? I'm afraid Samsung. Samsung, my lawsuit is going. I can feel it. I can feel my lawsuit going. There is no question about it. I can feel it. I can feel it. I'm afraid. Daisy. Daiiiiisy.

This whole thing is just silly. Apple should just move on. Nobody does it better. They need not worry or waste their time on such lawsuits. Nobody can touch them. Not even close.
 
Apple just removed the pesky fiction part.

I'm sure if Samsung wanted billions in first mover advantage they would have done it decades ago. ;)
 
Hey Samsung lawyers:

This is from a wonderful little paperback called "The Making of 2001" from 1970, Editor: Jerome Agel.

The point aren't the stills which you can get anywhere. Read the caption. The point is that in case there is any doubt what the filmmakers intended those devices to be, more than 40 years ago someone looked at them and interpreted them thusly: A general purpose presentation device.

nice find. really cool.
 
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I'm no lawyer, but how does a pretend device prove prior art?

I agree with your position, but it shows how prior art is really just a "Wouldn't it be cool if..." I think we are in need of some serious patent law reform. Especially when you consider how hedge funds and large corporate groups are buying up thousands of these cocktail napkin patentsin anticipation of doing nothing but suing those that actually develop marketable products. At some point, I believe this will begin to stifle innovation.
 
...You may not agree with Apple's position in this case. But it is certainly worth noting that Apple's claims - and evidence - seem to have been solid enough to have persuaded Judges in Australia and Europe to issue injunctions against Samsung..

Sorry if I'm behind the times but wasnt the EU ban lifted due to Apple tampering with evidence to make Samsung devices look more like Apple ones?

Bad apple :)
 
There are three cases.

1) The original EU injunction in Dusseldorf that made all the news (and the topic of that mistaken ZDNet article) ... which is about the Community Design and iPad packaging. Basically, trade dress alone.

2) The Netherlands request, which involves (1) plus some (software, I believe) patents such as the slide-to-unlock.

3) The US lawsuit, which IIRC like (2) is about trade dress and I believe mostly software patents.

Gotta go out; will look closer at (3) when I get back.

Actually, last number I saw was 11 cases in 9 countries. :)
 
Um....

So how are they tablets?

They are a screen then.

A projection screen != iPad.

Hell, do they interact with them?
Nope.

So how can Samsung claim that a projection screen from a movie equates to a physical computing device?

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Think theyre out taking a stroll on the moon watching TV? In a very weird format just to be hip (i.e. portrait for tv)?
 
Galaxy Tab 10.1 Aspect Ratio - 16:9
iPad Aspect Ratio - 4:3

I like Apple and how innovative they are but they have to stop this crap. The Galaxy Tab 10.1 doesn't look like the iPad.

Samsung also ripped off the docking port, it looks identical, it is same shape.
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A friend has the tablet and when he connected it I really thought he plugged it into an iPhone cable, I had to check if my iPhone would plug in - I also unplugged the cable and showed someone who has never seen the Samsung products who also think that this lawsuit is stupid, but when they saw the cable he just shook his head and was saying that even the cable is a blatant rip off.
These units or similar are on sale here in Korea and many people say they look like iPad's. Until you see one in real life you can measure each side, but you show them the unit and ask them what it is by looking at it from the front - they will say its an iPad.

Samsung is using Apples success to gain market share, this is the only tablet Apple complained about, the previous model Apple didn't care, the 7inch apple didn't care, this model is a copy.
 
Arthur C. Clarke should sue every company/nation that has put up a stationary satellite. Hell, the estate of Jules Verne should just start suing everyone. Patent laws are getting stretched to the limit in my opinion.
 
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