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Samsung Debuts Apple-Like Design Video for Galaxy S6 Edge
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There are people who believe the Earth is flat, so there will always be people who believe Samsung are innovative.
That's the difference between inspiration and imitation. Samsung doesn't know the difference, and neither do you.
This talk of Braun and their "decades old" design language and its supposedly (apologetically?) legitimate influences on Sir Ive made me curious. Well, what do we have here:
A Braun/Zeno watch from 2011:
"Braun is relaunching a new line of wristwear (above) designed by zeon. what zeon kept was minimal and functional, one recessed button and a distinctive scroll wheel is all you get, we think. also comes in silver."
LOL -- the watch is a rectangle, dark display, and the controls are a button and a scroll wheel.
A Braun/Zeno watch from 2011:
"Braun is relaunching a new line of wristwear (above) designed by zeon. what zeon kept was minimal and functional, one recessed button and a distinctive scroll wheel is all you get, we think. also comes in silver."
LOL -- the watch is a rectangle, dark display, and the controls are a button and a scroll wheel.
"One of the surest of tests is the way in which a poet borrows. Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different. The good poet welds his theft into a whole of feeling which is unique, utterly different from that from which it was torn; the bad poet throws it into something which has no cohesion. A good poet will usually borrow from authors remote in time, or alien in language, or diverse in interest." T.S. Eliot
This Adamo YouTube video probably received its 1,222 views from your link.
The thing is ugly.
Can you cite some examples where Apple included a "feature" that had no real world purpose or utility?
Come on, that's nothing to the clones Samsung turns out: 'Samsung Pay' is the clearest example.
Do you realize Piggie said the exact same thing you did? Piggie just managed to do it with far fewer words.
Piggie said: They don't invent things, they take a type of product that's already on sale, and improve upon it.
It's a more succinct version of your quote. Speaking of your quote. I have to say, it borrows liberally from Apple's marketing. The words and phrasing are distinctly Apples style. Careful. Someone might accuse you of a lack of originality and copying. I wouldn't, but some might.
While I appreciate succinct writing, minimalism is lost on the clueless.
My post was tailored for its intended audience.
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We're now at the point of discussing which company is better at imitation/borrowing. Apple, according to some, copies in the manner of Picasso, while Samsung is more like composer John Williams (IMO a ham-handed hack).
Both artists did rather well for themselves.
Both artists did rather well for themselves.
We're now at the point of discussing which company is better at imitation/borrowing. Apple, according to some, copies in the manner of Picasso, while Samsung is more like composer John Williams (IMO a ham-handed hack).
Both artists did rather well for themselves.
You know quite well that there's a difference between inspiration and imitation, but you're playing dumb in a failed attempt to win an argument.
I'm no expert on classical music, but I'd be hard pressed to name a composer more capable than John Williams to fit a Wagnerian score to a film like Star Wars.
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How so?
"Speaking of 2012, do you remember this? The thumb ad? Now can we all agree this is stupid?"
The thumb ad wasn't stupid, in fact there's a feature in iOS 8 that lets you bring the screen halfway down so your thumb can touch the upper corners.
A computer that (kind of) looks like a TV. A computer that resembles a speaker. A computer with similarities to a radio. An aluminium grill that looks identical to an ... aluminium grill. An iPod that you're somehow likening to a radio without a screen just because they both have a circular dial. And last but not least, the iPod HiFi, oh, hang on, that is the least.
And somehow you equate this to a PHONE that looks like another PHONE.
There's the difference. A design cue from an entirely different product line is one thing. Within the same product line, that's something else.
I don't deny there's things Samsung and Apple have both taken from each other's designs, but your Braun/Apple comparison is rubbish.
Speaking of typing - shall we just say that Apple including that row of
word predictions above its keyboard to be an Apple Original. Oh wait .. no, they copied.
You don't suppose all this copying by Samsung is simply Asian cultures' prizing conformity?
Samsung's executives don't see themselves as "stealing" Apple's look, they see themselves as providing products that conform. A good thing in their culture.
Samsung's executives don't see themselves as "stealing" Apple's look, they see themselves as providing products that conform. A good thing in their culture.
It's not an "asian VS Apple" thing. There are a lot of asian companies that are very creative ( especially japanese). Samsung is just not one of them.
And what of the Braun (branded) watch from waaay back in 2011, which just happens to employ a side button and scroll wheel? Inspiration of course..."from an entirely different product"... L-effin'-O-L!
But that's what Samsung has always been good at; mass-manufacturing things that other people design.
I think the Manet/Picasso comparison doesn't really make much sense in the context of the products in this thread. In modern painting ( and Manet is already close to modern painting period), the subject is considered very secondary, it's called "figure imposée" in academic painting. It's a bit like standards in jazz.
These are figures that everyone uses , standard figures ( that includes things like bowl of fruits, people sitting in a chair near a window, elongated semi-nude ( or nude ) women bodies lying on a bed, etc..) . There must be hundreds of thousands of great paintings representing the same bowl of fruit. They are not copying or stealing the painting, because it's a standard figure. Picasso is not stealing or even copying the "déjeuner sur l'herbe" from Manet, he is using a standard. Using the same themes and figures as everyone else helps make your aesthetic message clearer because you are putting your perception of the world forward, and not scrambling it with the "message" or the theme.
So, Picasso is using the same theme as Manet ( who is himself using the same theme as Tissot and Titien ), but his perception of that theme is radically different.
In the context of designing an utilitarian product like a computer or a phone, the stakes are different.You cannot re-interpret designs any way you want, because , well, there are such things as the laws of physics : the product you are designing has to exist in the physical world, not solely as a representation, it has to be used by humans, it has to conform to technical norms and regulations, etc..
In a way, what Ive is doing with Braun is almost the opposite. He is taking the same design and imposing a different theme ( utility ) on it. Wich does indeed take a lot of creativity. It's not that obvious to contemplate the shape of say, an oven, and imagine those parts serving a different function, such as parts of a computer.
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Wow, that couldn't be a more blatant rip off if they tried. Even down to a Korean company hiring a Brit, and making him say aluminum the American way.
I guess there's that imitation being the most sincere form of flattery argument. Honestly though if you are trying to distance yourself from your competitor, why just pretend to the them?
I guess there's that imitation being the most sincere form of flattery argument. Honestly though if you are trying to distance yourself from your competitor, why just pretend to the them?
