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Samsung Debuts New $1,599 ViewFinity S9 5K Display to Compete with Apple's Studio Display
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Nice monitor, and will be discounted a hell of a lot more then Apples screen will be, come Black Friday it could be a proper bargain.
I guess many MP 5.1 owners will consider this, because they can't buy anything else from Apple because of compatibility issues, based on Apple's planed obsolescence policy. I will get one, that's for sure. I waited for it.
For those who have tried Nano texture, we know it is much better than just matte display. Also no spatial audio? no centre stage camera? It's cheaper than Apple Studio Display though so might be a good cheaper alternative but the question is why will you? Especially if you bought Mac Pro Or Mac Studio, there is no reason to downgrade your display.
Agreed. I stopped reading at 60Hz. It’s late 2023, not 2003.
Go tell that to Apple: Pro Display XDR, Studio Display, iMac.
Could be. In my mind this monitor was 4k
Having been through a lot of threads (including this one) where folks express disappointment about lack of 120Hz ProMotion on the ASD and other displays, I don't think people realize just how much bandwidth a high-refresh 5K resolution would need. The 2021 MacBook Pro's couldn't drive faster than 60Hz over TB4 or HDMI. I think the M2 Pro's have HDMI 2.1 and might be capable of it, but I'm not sure.
5K at 120Hz (ProMotiion) isn't technically possible over TB4. I've tried searching but I can't find conclusive evidence that HDMI 2.1 can even do it. I'm pretty sure that is why panels don't offer it yet.
Interesting. Inzone M9 is the one I was thinking about for my setup.
5K at 27" never felt right to me (on an iMac); everything is too small, very hard to read text at default settings, and you always want to lean in closer to display. 4K at 32" felt much more comfortable.
At the same time, no problem with 254 ppi on MBP 14", because it's a laptop and it always sits at the right distance.
Regarding ASD — it's still a display panel from 2014 in a very nice housing. My problem is not the price per se (it will hold value very well anyway), but rather... relative uncompetitiveness of the product?
Apple absolutely can do better. They can and they will deliver 5K/120 Hz ("ProMotion") mini-LED ("XDR") with DSC over existing Thunderbolt 4 connections, and maybe smaller bezel with beautiful notch and rounded corners. It takes some engineering and investment, sure, but not impossible. They could've done that with ASD in 2022, but decided not to bother.
It will come down to less that $1k. Otherwise, when compared to a Studio this option only make sense to non Mac user.
The InZone M9 was 'the best of the rest' in terms of monitors that I've tried pairing with the ASD. It's really really good and I also had it hooked up to a Windows PC and my PS5 @144Hz (the speakers sucked though).
BUT - for productivity work there's something a little off when compared to the ASD. 5K scaling is what Apple has optimized for, and it means that 4K text rendering while crisp, lacks a certain look/feel alongside the ASD. It's not something you notice until you compare the MacBook Pro Display to a 4K display.
It's not a deal breaker, but I realized that I can't run a 4K monitor next to a 5K monitor or a MacBook Pro and still be happy. It will always bug me.
Apple could fix this by fixing the scaling, but they're not going to do the work. This saddens me because most folks are going to have 4K displays which look fine with Windows, but not with Macs. Not everyone can afford a 5K display and prices don't seem to be coming down.
Still never understood the obsession with this. I’ve even moved twice with mine. Wrap the cable around the stand and it’s literally no problem. Would you have preferred they made a removable cable with a proprietary port?
For non-Retina, IMO Apple got the pixel density right on the 30" Cinema HD Display, at 101 ppi. A Retina version of that would be 201 ppi, but Apple chose 218 ppi instead with the 27" iMac. I'm in agreement with you, 218 ppi makes the text too small on a desktop. It always bugged me with my 2017 27" iMac.
Consequently, on my current 27" class monitor (actually 28.2" but vertically taller - linked in my sig), I run at 2304xXXXX. On a 27" 16:9 monitor, that would be equivalent to 98 ppi for 1X non-Retina, and 196 ppi for 2X Retina, which I think is near perfect for default text sizing. However, I would prefer a bit more screen real estate, so I'm hoping for a decently high pixel density 30-32" monitor that is reasonably affordable to appear in the next year or two. 5K 30" would be awesome. If it were higher pixel density like current Apple displays, I'd probably run fractional scaling to increase default text sizing.
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Because people like me don’t care about or want those options at all. They are the same price. The matte screen being forced on me is a dealbreaker.
When I saw this was being announced I thought.. aye aye, you’ve made a bit of a mistake buying a ASM… turns out not so much…
Good to see the new display from Samsung. But would have liked a lower price tag.
Using a standard IEC C14 socket would mean the display is much more deployable, and can use existing cabling particularly on monitor arms, media carts, and walled / ceiling installations.
But this is coming from a company that shipped a flagship workstation in a cylinder before, so I am not surprised.
And that’s fair, it’s just not for you then. The point remains Samsung is still able to offer a screen that’s $700 cheaper than the similar option at Apple.
I assume by that, you mean using the screen at 5120x2880 native resolution, ie unscaled. It does make everything small, however I think most people, myself included, use it as a high ppi UHD 2560x1440 screen. I have an ASUS 27" 1440p display beside my iMac and, although everything is scaled the same, the difference in screen clarity is night and day (obviously). But compared to 27" 4K screens, THEY have never felt right to me. Too many shortcomings on the scaling side of things.