Well that sounds awful. Why can’t we just have plain monitors or TVs these days.
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Samsung Debuts New $1,599 ViewFinity S9 5K Display to Compete with Apple's Studio Display
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It doesn't, because Retina scaling is garbage and never worked as it should (and yes, macOS does this noticeably worse than modern Windows).
I strongly believe that Apple should've gone with 27" 4K, 32" 5K, and maybe 36" 6K displays? The ~220 ppi number is great for a laptop, but not for a huge monitor that sits at arm length distance.
Or Apple should finally implement fractional scaling that isn't a blurry mess so it won't be a problem anymore.
Especially anticipating at least 5 years of usage out of it, that few hundred bucks difference starts to fade from view pretty quickly.
Completely agree on this.
For the price of one of these 5K displays, one could easily purchase TWO 27" 4K/144 Hz monitors and they'd be infinitely better in most aspects.
Both are less than ideal for PC users, starting with being Thunderbolt only.
And they have no OSD. I know it is still possible to control brightness/contrast with software via DDC, but it still is a kludge...
And the ASD camera is not usable on anything else than macOS and its firmware update also requiring a Mac...
Both these monitors where never designed for non Apple users.
This Samsung monitor is the first 5K 27" that is a proper PC monitor. What's tragic is that there is much more interest for it from Mac users, as PC users are mostly happy with lower ppi displays, let alone obsessing about high refresh rate in a never ending race for more Hurtz (gaming monitors).
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A 20" HP is the second monitor for my 2021 iMac, and I have to adjust it with the physical menu buttons. But, is access to the monitor's display menu a feature in Windows either? I've been on Mac for so long now, I can't remember.
That’ll get resolved I expect. I can control my 4K LG display (32GQ950-B) via keyboard. I don’t expect the Samsung to be any different.
60hz is such a downer these days.
Not if you want a high PPI monitor, which is the point of 27" 5K (and 32" 6K). And we know how high PPI (220) is important for macOS (much less so on Windows due to its better fractional scaling).
High PPI or High refresh rates. Pick one.
Except my main wouldn't be 5k. I have an ASD as my primary, a 16" MBP and LG 4k as secondaries. I'm not going backwards to a 4k monitor. If the ASD was cheaper, I'd get a second and replace the LG 4k.
I can’t say for sure of course, but in my experience plastic matte IPS screens almost always have a falloff near the edge (not sure about Apple’s nano texture glass), some more noticeable than others. I wouldn’t be surprised if this had it as well.
I'm looking for two displays for programming and light UI design. One vertical and one horizontal so could you elaborate? What ppi is good for desktop displays? And what displays eliminate PWM? Thanks
It's not Thunderbolt only. You can get a specific $25 DisplayPort to USB-C cable via Amazon that passes 5K/6K signal from a PC to both the Studio Display and/or the Pro Display XDR. I have personally tested this.
Granted, there's still only a single input. I'm not saying it's a great monitor for primary Windows use. But it certainly can be used, secondarily.
What is this mess?:
Is that mm or two of overlap to the thin plate aluminum foot fully responsible for holding the display upright? I'd love to know why that has to be 3 pieces when Apple managed it with one.
Is that mm or two of overlap to the thin plate aluminum foot fully responsible for holding the display upright? I'd love to know why that has to be 3 pieces when Apple managed it with one.
Not the same thing. Sure you get an adjustable stand, built in smart TV, the matte finish on the Samsung but you lose the build quality, much better speakers, the integrated power supply on the Apple. Pretty clearly many of us were looking for something significantly less expensive than the ASD, not just different or even some additional features for the same price.
Maybe, but even so was hoping/expecting $1299 MSRP and then the discount off of that!
Anyhow, I'm glad I picked up an ASD for $1299 when Costco has it back in January for my main setup. Still would consider this if it does go on sale for significantly cheaper for my other setup.
Well, the matte 30" Apple Cinema HD Displays didn't have such noticeable edge light falloff, but those were even more expensive. OTOH, my moderately priced matte 1920x1200 24" Dell didn't have this problem either, although perhaps the 24" size was small enough where off-axis light falloff would not be a significant issue.
Well Samsung has been hurting as far as its recent financials, but at the same time they have been having sales on most of their PC computer monitors lineup the last three months. Seen that on Amazon and BestBuy here in the states.
So seeing this arrive with the same list price of Apple's Studio display is just not a smart move IMHO.
If it arrived at $1499 it would not be subject to as much scrutiny, especially after this much delay since CES 2023.
At this point, I would happily pay a few hundred dollars for a hardware solution that would let me use my retina iMac as an external display for my MacBook Pro M1 at 60hz. The Luna Display was a valiant effort but not quite good enough.
It depends whether or not 5K is important to you or not. I've bought and returned a number of 27" and 32" 4K monitors and none of them looked quite right. The best was actually Sony's excellent INZONE M9 and while I loved the high refresh rate, there is something intangibly 'off' about 4K vs. 5K with MacOS.
That may or may not be important to you and if it's not then save your money.
For my money, the ASD has been worth every penny. It looks 'right' next to my 14" MacBook Pro Display it integrates beautifully with MacOS (brightness controls, color profile, speakers, True Tone, aesthetics etc.). Those things are worth the extra expense to me and therefore I find value in them. Not everyone will derive the same value for the money because it's highly subjective.
I can't stand the glare on standard screens. I like to work on a bright environment with windows. I still have two 30" ACD with matte screen for this reason. I love them. I am not sure putting a semi-transparent curtain would help to break the reflections on my MBP screen.
They'd be better in exactly one aspect: refresh rate. And each of them would have 60% as many pixels as a 5K display. Maybe that doesn't matter to you (which is fine) but it matters to some people who use their monitors to make a living.