Samsung Easily Tops Apple to Become World's Top Smartphone Manufacturer

[*LTD*]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJEHp15Hoo0

If Samsung wanted, they could wipe Apple off the map because Apple rely on their technology.

I have some cool hypotheses and imaginary situations up my sleeve, too. Just hold on while I pull them out.

If my mother had wheels I'd be a wagon.

The number one reason why Samsung will always have the upper hand on Apple until they start manufacturing their own components.

There is no upper hand. As soon as other suppliers have the capacity to do so, Apple can switch. Until then, Samsung needs their business. If Samsung had any upper hand, they wouldn't have approached Apple with a half-hearted peace-offering:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/30/samsung-offers-apple-a-deal-to-allow-galaxy-tab-10-1-sales-in-au/

When an iPhone is sold, Samsung receive a cut of the profits.

Lucky Samsung, to have such a Platinum customer.

This is what Apple means to Samsung The Supplier:

http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/02/...omer-will-spend-7-8-billion-on-parts-in-2011/

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...aliation_against_its_5_7b_customer_apple.html

Apple was Samsung's second-largest client last year with close to $5.7 billion in orders.

Apple Now Samsung’s Largest Customer, Will Spend $7.8 Billion on Parts in 2011

When Samsung sell their product, Apple get NOTHING.
So in effect, you have to take into account that most of Apple's profit margins go back into supplying their products with Samsung components.

Yes, Samsung happens to be Apple's supplier.

So...now innovation is dependent on marketing?

No, it depends on buying.

So curing cancer is not innovative? It needs to be successfully marketed and used in order to be innovative?

No. We actually have to get the cure.

 

[drwatz0n]

More importantly how much profit does each company make per unit. Ultimately that's the bottom line, not how many you've sold but rather if you are profitable.

I'm sorry, but this bothers me.

I feel as if every time an Apple competitor surpasses one of Apple's key devices (iPhone/iOS, Mac OS X, etc.), the argument always shifts to benefit Apple. Sure, this is an Apple-based forum, I accept that, but you need to give accolade where it's due.

If Samsung shipped more phones than Apple, then they deserve that credit. Yes, I said shipped, not sold, because Samsung has already been paid for these devices by carriers and wholesellers. In addition to this, I doubt Samsung failed to sell a massive amount of these devices, otherwise there wouldn't be demand for more to be manufactured, no? Sure, some could be sitting on shelves, but we're not talking about multiple millions of units, which is the amount that Samsung passed Apple with.

First Android had a larger OS market share, and then everyone said "Well, it's because it's on multiple devices." Yes, that is true. But at the same time, that's how their platform was designed: to be available everywhere. If they beat iOS in market share, then they beat iOS in market share, that's how it is. Sure you can change the argument to benefit Apple more, such as "Well, Apple makes more per-device!", which is true, but that doesn't make the previous achievement moot.

Windows has a larger market share than Mac OS X, but people tout the experience and ease of use as a reason why it's better. That's fine, but don't make the achievement by Microsoft any less impressive than it is.

Basically, it's okay to be a fan boy/girl. But if you get beat, admit it, and move on. Changing these imaginary goal posts for success each time a change in the market occurs really makes everyone, on any side, look silly.

 

[Rafterman]

I have to laugh at reading some of these posts and the lengths at which people will wear their rose colored glasses when it concerns Apple. I own as many Apple products as anyone - A Macbook Pro, a Macbook Air, a Mac Mini, an iMac, 64GB iPad 2, 64GB iPhone 4S, two Apple TV's and several thousand dollars over the years in iTunes content. So I am as much of "fanboy" as anyone.

But the mere mention of a company, product or service even suggested as being superior to Apple will drive some people to insanity. Some people need to get a grip. Apple is just a company, not a religion. Yikes.

 

[*LTD*]

I'm sorry, but this bothers me.

I feel as if every time an Apple competitor surpasses one of Apple's key devices (iPhone/iOS, Mac OS X, etc.), the argument always shifts to benefit Apple.

This is because Apple's business model will always put them in that position regardless.

 

[samcraig]

Which is why Apple doesn't (thankfully) do that. Which is also why the iPhone leads all the indicators that matter. Which is why they enjoy massive anticipation and line-ups. Which is why they get the kind of mindshare they do.

Apple has enough class not to ship junk, since placing a priority on User Experience precludes getting down and dirty with a horizontal business model.

One company has standards, while the other throws as much at the wall as they can and hope something sticks.

Just because you say it's just doesn't make it junk. They also get reviewed very well. You're not the arbiter of what is just and what isn't.

Further - you can't say other companies don't have standards. That's your opinion and not fact. The issue most posters here that disagree with you so vehemently is because you make these posts as if they are fact when they aren't. That - and your analogies really suck

Even further - a company that provides several options to the end user doesn't automatically mean they are throwing whatever they can into the mix to see what works. It means they recognize that different people have different needs.

Does a 12 year old have the same needs as a 40 year old? As a 70 year old? Sure you can make one device for all of them. But some will get features they don't need and other will not get features they do.

If the product doesn't ship, all that innovation is not available for the experiencing. It doesn't matter if it could cure cancer or launch missiles. The whole point is for you and I to use it.

Until it ships, it's smoke, no matter how cool it looks onstage. The proof of the pudding is in the eating.

You didn't answer my question. You talked around it... but you didn't answer it. Let's try again....

So when Jobs got up in front of an audience and showed off the iPad for the first time - you didn't believe it was innovative?

 

[Savor]

Apparently it only sold 30 million units to date (combined with another model.) Apple sells that many iPhones in little more than two quarters. By some peoples' definition around here, lower unit share does not a "killer" make, right?

Where were all the GSII lineups?

The Galaxy Nexus isn't a killer anything because it isn't even on the market until mid-November.

The Galaxy SIII does not exist in the market. It's scheduled for sometime in 2012. It can't kill anything as yet. Unless it time-travels or something.

In the meantime, amid all these wonderful promises by the competition, Apple sold 4 million iPhone 4Ses in a single weekend.

30 MILLION based on the GALAXY S series which was introduced last spring. We are talking about 30M SOLD after 18 months globally.

Which is why Apple doesn't (thankfully) do that. Which is also why the iPhone leads all the indicators that matter. Which is why they enjoy massive anticipation and line-ups. Which is why they get the kind of mindshare they do.

Apple has enough class not to ship junk, since placing a priority on User Experience precludes getting down and dirty with a horizontal business model.

One company has standards, while the other throws as much at the wall as they can and hope something sticks.

Fanboy troll alert.

Then cars from Honda/Acura, Nissan/Infinity, and Toyota/Lexus are all junk since they don't compare to more luxurious brands like Bimmers or Benz.

I guess 95% of the world all drive crappy cars, use crappy Windows PC's, and have crappy jobs.

There is nothing EXCLUSIVE owning an iPhone anymore. The 3GS is given away free with contract nowadays. There is more of that with Apple if say you were owning an iMac or MacBook Pro. iOS is a shrunken Mac OS X catered to the masses. And the USA doesn't rule the world when you think England and China have more money than us. USA makes up less than 5% of the global population. That's why you can never accuse Nokia or Samsung catering to third world countries when Europe and places in Asia have more money than us. Ironic that while the USA only has less than 5% of the global population, Apple has less than 5% of the marketshare.

 

[samcraig]

A great and eloquent post. I totally agree.

I'm sorry, but this bothers me.

I feel as if every time an Apple competitor surpasses one of Apple's key devices (iPhone/iOS, Mac OS X, etc.), the argument always shifts to benefit Apple. Sure, this is an Apple-based forum, I accept that, but you need to give accolade where it's due.

If Samsung shipped more phones than Apple, then they deserve that credit. Yes, I said shipped, not sold, because Samsung has already been paid for these devices by carriers and wholesellers. In addition to this, I doubt Samsung failed to sell a massive amount of these devices, otherwise there wouldn't be demand for more to be manufactured, no? Sure, some could be sitting on shelves, but we're not talking about multiple millions of units, which is the amount that Samsung passed Apple with.

First Android had a larger OS market share, and then everyone said "Well, it's because it's on multiple devices." Yes, that is true. But at the same time, that's how their platform was designed: to be available everywhere. If they beat iOS in market share, then they beat iOS in market share, that's how it is. Sure you can change the argument to benefit Apple more, such as "Well, Apple makes more per-device!", which is true, but that doesn't make the previous achievement moot.

Windows has a larger market share than Mac OS X, but people tout the experience and ease of use as a reason why it's better. That's fine, but don't make the achievement by Microsoft any less impressive than it is.

Basically, it's okay to be a fan boy/girl. But if you get beat, admit it, and move on. Changing these imaginary goal posts for success each time a change in the market occurs really makes everyone, on any side, look silly.

 

[GWagon]

Apple was Samsung's second-largest client last year with close to $5.7 billion in orders.

Apple Now Samsung’s Largest Customer, Will Spend $7.8 Billion on Parts in 2011

You didn't get my point. Earlier you were boasting that Apple's profit margins were higher than that of Samsung. You failed to notice that Apple have to use a huge chunk of that profit to reinvest in components made by Samsung.

 

[Fairchild]

Hahahahaa, all the apple fanboys are up in arms with this news release!

 

[Savor]

LTD, believe whatever you want to believe. Parrot anything Steve Jobs ever said. Go on Android/Samsung tirades. I don't care.

I admire SJ, but not necessarily for why most people admired him or because of his products. I admired him for being a REBEL, taking chances, and going on acid trips that opened up his creativity. I've done LSD once myself and it was a mind opener of things I would have never thought if I was sober. Hippie SJ seemed like a cool dude to me and shared many ASIAN cultural beliefs that I agree with it.

I am not really into these fanboy debates though. I think all fanboys from every OS or manufacturer all sound like idiots. But learn NOT to use your EMOTIONS for certain companies by presenting them as FACT or logical reasoning. You sound like what a LA Laker/Kobe fan to me. Arrogant and irritating. But I respect both Apple and the Lakers' history. Doesn't mean I have to diss everybody else or ones that came before their time. It is this elitist mentality that tears everybody apart.

 

[slinky199]

No, it depends on buying.

And buying depends on marketing, less so on innovation.

No. We actually have to get the cure.

That's deployment, not innovation.

Get your nomenclature straight.

So in conclusion, you thought the iPad was non-innovative when it was announced? Is that correct?

 

[something3153]

That's the point. That's why the iPhone and Apple's business model is so impressive. Where are the iPhone killers? All you need is ONE phone, done right. There aren't any. Cant they make a single, premiere phone that stands apart? No. Because the competition simply doesn't know how to make one. The only way to compete its to flood the market and bank on quantity and sheer force of numbers by slamming a universally-licesned OS into the 60-odd boxes they sell.

Not impressive.

Yes. How is that even remotely impressive? Throw Muhammad Ali into the ring with 30 other guys and he'll go down pretty quick. Sheer force of numbers, even when it's all ****, can nullify any single contender, no matter how good that contender is. Of course, the real victim in such a misadventure is quality, User Experience, and device shelf-life.

Samsung's phones have been lumped together in order to reflect "world's top smartphone manufacturer", ranging from the good, down to the absolute junk/low-end that is priced accordingly.

Why do you think making a million bad phones means people will buy them? You don't buy a phone at random, why would you assume someone else would? And if it's an advantage, it's a poor decision by Apple to hamstring themselves by more narrowly restricting their line. No matter how you slice it, it's a poor excuse. More people are choosing Android than iOS for their phone, especially now that iPhones are as cheap as you want.

 

[thenerdal]

I can't wait for the Galaxy Note.

 

[iEvolution]

Yeah well when you release 10 phones a month while Apple has one it makes sense that they would top Apple.

 

[Djs621]

why is this news? how many different phones does samsung make...50 or 60 roughly? now how many does apple make...1

how is this a fair comparison?!!!!!!!!!!

 

[iEvolution]

Yeah well when you release 10 phones a month while Apple has one it makes sense that they would top Apple.

I really wanted to get the Galaxy S II but I have had nothing but problems with Samsung phones. Between buttons being defective, sliders getting stuck, and speaker phones being broke I'm not sure I want to spend any decent amount of cash on a Samsung phone.

 

[GWagon]

Yeah well when you release 10 phones a month while Apple has one it makes sense that they would top Apple.

I really wanted to get the Galaxy S II but I have had nothing but problems with Samsung phones. Between buttons being defective, sliders getting stuck, and speaker phones being broke I'm not sure I want to spend any decent amount of cash on a Samsung phone.

YOU don't want to spend your cash on Samsung phones, but others do.

And the "Samsung make more phones than Apple" argument has been refuted countless times. Take a minute to think about it and you'll see why it's flawed.

 

[*LTD*]

YOU don't want to spend your cash on Samsung phones, but others do.

Ok, and others buy $400 eMachines. What are you trying to argue?

There will always be a market for low-end, or junk, or any thrown-together box churned out by an OEM. A lot of what Samsung sells Apple wouldn't be caught dead bringing to market.

 

[something3153]

Yeah well when you release 10 phones a month while Apple has one it makes sense that they would top Apple.

Why does that make sense? Do you think people buy things at random? Would Apple be better off with more models of iPhone?

 

[AppleScruff1]

This is consumer electronics, not "Highlander".

Excellent!!

 

[Piggie]

I don't really buy the concept some are giving re phones sold/bought/in stock.

Sure, there will always be some type of floating stock, but resellers are not going to keep ordering more and more and more stock of non selling items.

There are tons of Samsung phones in peoples hands right now, ok, there will be a percentage waiting to be sold, but that has to be true of any product generally.

Well done Samsung irrespective of anything else.

 

[Eidorian]

I have no complaints with my Samsung phone.

 

[rileyes]

My thoughts exactly. I question this reporting style over and over and over again. Shipped vs. Sales.

Samsung shipped 1 million generation 1 Galaxy Tabs last year. A lenovo exec leaked that they only sold 20,000. So WTF does shipped mean? Best way to find out, how long does a product remain in inventory? Apple's inventory is a few days at most, sometimes a few hours with hot selling items.

There isn't really a difference. Apple sells their products directly to the consumer. Samsung sells their products through retailers. A retailer buys the product before they sell it. Samsung doesn't have to wait for Best Buy to sell their products before they get paid...they get paid when they ship (i.e. sell) the devices to the retailer.

 

[GorgonPhone]

Samsung practically gives their phones away...

and they make 2000 different phones while apple makes 3 iphone models..lololo

 

[BoxerGT2.5]

and they make 2000 different phones while apple makes 3 iphone models..lololo

What does that matter? A smartphone is a smartphone, think about it, actually take a moment to think about it.

Lots of butthurt and inferiority complex up in this thread.