Samsung Easily Tops Apple to Become World's Top Smartphone Manufacturer

[samcraig]

First, you wouldn't be posting all over this thread if you really didn't care. If you are that apathetic about it, why can't you admit that shipping a bunch of phones to warehouses doesn't equate to getting them into the hands of customers who want them? A company that is selling every phone it can ship (like Apple) reports SALES numbers - a company that can't move every phone (Samsung) reports SHIPPED numbers to hide that fact.

Second, Thanks for giving everyone permission to buy whats best for them! Whew! Glad you approve.

Why would I have to admit anything. Just because I don't care who shipped or sold what doesn't automatically mean I'd admit to something I didn't believe. That's a strawman argument at best.

Apple isn't selling every phone - there are plenty of iPhones on "shelves" - if you think otherwise - you're naive. And Samsung couldn't possibly ship THAT many phones and have stores keep their inventory.No store would waste that much space.

And I'm sorry you have a problem with me acknowledging different strokes for different folks, drama queen.

 

[divinox]

Wow, I was not aware that 4+ million people bought their iPhone 4S because it is a status symbol. I think someone has been smoking some bad weed or drinking some bad Kool-Aid.

The symbolic value may not be the only reason, but for many it surely is a large part of it. Same goes for most consumption nowadays, really.

 

[filmantopia]

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Yeah, well at least Apple (insert excuse).

 

[LagunaSol]

You buy an iPhone because you want a status symbol, but you buy a Galaxy because you want the best smartphone on the market. It's that simple.

Hmm, how are you defining "best?" Let me guess - screen size?

Oh, and can we please stop regurgitating the silly "status symbol" nonsense? I know you Android fanatics have this delusion that you're fighting the good fight for the common man, but everyone sees through it. There's nothing more "status symbol" about an iPhone than there is about your absurdly-oversized Android phone screen.

 

[lilo777]

And now you're just lying. iPhone absolutely crushes Android on internet usage.

It's you who are lying. Or perhaps you just don't understand. Your are probably referring to reports about iOS dominating mobile usage. Well this includes iPhone, iPad and iPod while we are talking only about the phones. Secondly, in the context of phone sale volumes one has to look at the different stat for internet usage. The fact that iPad users spend a lot of time on the Internet is not surprising - there is not much else the tablet can be used for. But it does not translate directly into the size of the user base 9especially for phones ). The more accurate measurement would mobile ad impressions stats and here we get this:

The folks at Millennial Media have found that inside the third quarter of 2011, Apple’s iPhone and ranked first in devices for mobile ad impressions, while the total for Apple’s iOS was HALF of that of Android as a whole. While the 56 percent had by Android led the way on ad impressions in Q3, BlackBerry sat in third with 13 percent, and Symbian and Windows Phone devices had just 1 percent of ads for each. Meanwhile the same period listed by devices comes up with iPhone has the clear lead with 12.55 percent of ad clicks.

 

[Diggester]

that is only in terms shipments. Sales is all that matters

 

[hexcalibur]

What is the prize for being #1 again?

Why does it matter who sells the most phones?

Apple has three wildly successful product lines and makes boatloads of money. In terms of computer shipments the Mac rarely cracks the top five, but again that's not as important to a company as making lots of money.

This is consumer electronics, not "Highlander".

I think Apple will sell significantly more phones in the next twelve months than over the last twelve months, especially if they get more carriers signed up in China. Growth and profits are what matter, not simply volume.

(Gotta say that flexible phone looks sexy as hell. If the tech is robust enough for the mass market Samsung is going to sell a LOT of them.)

 

[samcraig]

This is ridiculous. It's like saying that more grapes sell than cars. Of course more grapes sell, because there are MORE grapes on a vine.

Samsung is outselling Apple not because it makes a better phone or because it has a better product, but because Samsung makes a balls-ton of phones. I would be willing to put money on the fact that the iPhone outsells any individual Samsung phone by multiple times.

Of course: Samsung has made hundreds of phones, so there is a Samsung phone suitable for everyone really ... Apple has made five, so there isn't much choice.

So if it's obvious - it's obvious. Why are people arguing quality or even denying it's possible Samsung sold more?

Some ardent posters here seem to take it personally if someone beats Apple at something.

That being said - it doesn't matter how many phones Samsung makes. For every person who chooses Samsung for their phone is a sale lost for the iPhone. For that matter - anyone NOT buying an iPhone is a loss of sale of an iPhone. It's simple math and sales.

And different companies have different strategies. Samsung's seems to be working for them. And Apple's is definitely working for them. Apple makes a few phones and a crapload of profit. Samsung makes more phones and makes a good profit and has great marketshare.

I don't see why people are so "sore" about the news item. It doesn't devalue the phone you're using in the slightest. And no one is coming to your door to rip your iPhone out of your hand and force you to use a Samsung because it's sold more.

 

[subsonix]

iPhone sales dipped in Q3 due to the emerging new iPhone model, let's see how the next report looks. Apple sold millions of phones in just one weekend once 4s was released.

 

[bpaluzzi]

It's you who are lying. Or perhaps you just don't understand. Your are probably referring to reports about iOS dominating mobile usage. Well this includes iPhone, iPad and iPod while we are talking only about the phones. Secondly, in the context of phone sale volumes one has to look at the different stat for internet usage. The fact that iPad users spend a lot of time on the Internet is not surprising - there is not much else the tablet can be used for. But it does not translate directly into the size of the user base 9especially for phones ). The more accurate measurement would mobile ad impressions stats and here we get this:

The folks at Millennial Media have found that inside the third quarter of 2011, Apple’s iPhone and ranked first in devices for mobile ad impressions, while the total for Apple’s iOS was HALF of that of Android as a whole. While the 56 percent had by Android led the way on ad impressions in Q3, BlackBerry sat in third with 13 percent, and Symbian and Windows Phone devices had just 1 percent of ads for each. Meanwhile the same period listed by devices comes up with iPhone has the clear lead with 12.55 percent of ad clicks.

Uh. The quoted text that you provided has iPhone as the "clear leader". Not sure how that's helping your argument.

Besides, ads are a poor metric of internet usage. It doesn't measure internet usage. It measures ads viewed.

 

[*LTD*]

And people say Samsung doesn't innovate.

The product has to ship, and *then* time will tell what's innovative and what isn't. Concept videos, mockups, and "here's what we're working on" segments are fun and all, but until it hits the shelves it's just a promise yet to be fulfilled, like MS' latest "futuristic" BS video:

http://www.microsoft.com/office/vision/

They mention something about "vision", and meanwhile they can barely get their late, uninspiring mobile platform off the ground, having partnered with probably the most visionless mobile outfit in the last seven years, threatening to bring them along for the steep ride downward. They are as yet non-existent in the tablet space.

Promises, promises. Samsung can promise the moon and the stars, but for now their products look more like Apple knock-offs that get judges and lawyers confused, rather than ground-breaking tech that pushes us forward. And then Apple shows up with something like Siri and gets the industry buzzing about possibilities.

Let's see the foldable phone promise in action in the market, and on time. Until then, all the research commentary is just Courier-calibre mockups and videos. Neither of which I can buy or put into my pocket.

 

[lilo777]

Hmm, how are you defining "best?" Let me guess - screen size?

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Oh, and can we please stop regurgitating the silly "status symbol" nonsense? I know you Android fanatics have this delusion that you're fighting the good fight for the common man, but everyone sees through it. There's nothing more "status symbol" about an iPhone than there is about your absurdly-oversized Android phone screen.

Welcome back LagunaSol. It looks like while you were missing you lost your touch. Two of these charts are misleading because they were performed with a stock browser on Android phones. In Android 2.3.* the stock browser uses only one CPU core. When the same tests are performed using Opera or Firefox many Android phones (definitely Galaxy SII) crash iPhone 4S. iPhone 4S does have the best GPU but that's it. It is slower at everything else - 3G, 4G, WiFi, application loading and web browsing (even with stock browser on Android 2.3)

 

[LagunaSol]

And I'm sorry you have a problem with me acknowledging different strokes for different folks, drama queen.

Aren't you the one who was savaging *LTD* yesterday for "annoying" everyone? Yet here you are mixing it up with and throwing insults at a half-dozen other commenters.

Things that make you go "Hmm..."

 

[samcraig]

The product has to ship, and *then* time will tell what's innovative and what isn't. Concept videos, mockups, and "here's what we're working on" segments are fun and all, but until it hits the shelves it's just a promise yet to be fulfilled, like MS' latest "futuristic" BS video:

http://www.microsoft.com/office/vision/

They mention something about "vision", and meanwhile they can barely get their late, uninspiring mobile platform off the ground, having partnered with probably the most visionless mobile outfit in the last seven years, threatening to bring them along for the steep ride downward.

Promises, promises. Samsung can promise the moon and the stars, but for now their products look more like Apple knock-offs that get judges and lawyers confused, rather than ground-breaking tech that pushes us forward. And then Apple shows up with something like Siri and gets the industry buzzing about possibilities.

Let's see the foldable phone promise in action in the market, and on time. Until then, all the research commentary is just courier-calibre mockups and videos. Neither of which I can buy or put into my pocket.

So the iPad wasn't innovative until it shipped?

 

[GWagon]

This is ridiculous. It's like saying that more grapes sell than cars. Of course more grapes sell, because there are MORE grapes on a vine.

Samsung is outselling Apple not because it makes a better phone or because it has a better product, but because Samsung makes a balls-ton of phones. I would be willing to put money on the fact that the iPhone outsells any individual Samsung phone by multiple times.

LMAO. Cars and grapes, are you serious?

 

[Taz Mangus]

The symbolic value may not be the only reason, but for many it surely is a large part of it. Same goes for most consumption nowadays, really.

And maybe that symbolic value has to do with product reliability and customer service.

 

[*LTD*]

So the iPad wasn't innovative until it shipped?

If no one can get it, its about as innovative as performing in front of a mirror. Bring it to market and then consumers can decide how innovative it is.

 

[lilo777]

Uh. The quoted text that you provided has iPhone as the "clear leader". Not sure how that's helping your argument.

Besides, ads are a poor metric of internet usage. It doesn't measure internet usage. It measures ads viewed.

iPhone is a clear leader only as a single phone model. Just like with sales numbers, while iPhone outsells any given Samsung phone, all Samsung phones combined trash iPhone easily. Then of course there is an issue whether all iPhones should even be lumped together. There are 3GS, 4 and 4S, black and white (different thickness), 16Gb, 32 GB and 64GB, Verizon and AT&T (and they are different - at least in case of iPhone 4).

 

[GWagon]

Hmm, how are you defining "best?" Let me guess - screen size?

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Oh, and can we please stop regurgitating the silly "status symbol" nonsense? I know you Android fanatics have this delusion that you're fighting the good fight for the common man, but everyone sees through it. There's nothing more "status symbol" about an iPhone than there is about your absurdly-oversized Android phone screen.

Those benchmarks were proven to be bollox. I did a web browser speed test with my SGS2 vs my brothers iPhone 4s using wifi, and my phone came on top every time. That is while flash was enabled!

 

[samcraig]

If no one can get it, its about as innovative as performing in front of a mirror. Bring it to market and then consumers can decide how innovative it is.

So when Jobs got up in front of an audience and showed off the iPad for the first time - you didn't believe it was innovative?

 

[thenerdal]

The product has to ship, and *then* time will tell what's innovative and what isn't. Concept videos, mockups, and "here's what we're working on" segments are fun and all, but until it hits the shelves it's just a promise yet to be fulfilled, like MS' latest "futuristic" BS video:

http://www.microsoft.com/office/vision/

They mention something about "vision", and meanwhile they can barely get their late, uninspiring mobile platform off the ground, having partnered with probably the most visionless mobile outfit in the last seven years, threatening to bring them along for the steep ride downward. They are as yet non-existent in the tablet space.

Promises, promises. Samsung can promise the moon and the stars, but for now their products look more like Apple knock-offs that get judges and lawyers confused, rather than ground-breaking tech that pushes us forward. And then Apple shows up with something like Siri and gets the industry buzzing about possibilities.

Let's see the foldable phone promise in action in the market, and on time. Until then, all the research commentary is just Courier-calibre mockups and videos. Neither of which I can buy or put into my pocket.

But Samsung has already made the flexible displays and it's out there on youtube.

 

[rockrigo]

flexible displays aren't that far away, anyone see that Nokia Kinetic device?

 

[uRabbit]

Samsung is still Samsung.

 

[subsonix]

Samsung is still Samsung.

Well, you can't argue with that.

 

[slinky199]

So when Jobs got up in front of an audience and showed off the iPad for the first time - you didn't believe it was innovative?

Exactly. The Lisa, NeXT, and Newton were all borderline retarded.