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My Skyrocket doesn't bounce when scrolling. Samsung (or Google) has already fixed this. When I scroll down, I get a blue faded bar that lights up for a moment to almost simulate a bounce without actually bouncing.

Thats exactly my point.
They found another solution to solve the UI problem because they couldn't use rubber-banding. I am sure that someone else will come up with something even better.

Without patents (both hardware and software) there is less pressure on developers to innovate.
 
I wouldn't call them a well informed jury. They had no touch development experience, and they didn't ask any questions about the patent.

The jury rules based on the information presented. It was Samsung's job to preent these facts if they felt such invalidates Apples patent. If they didn't that is on them.
 
The jury rules based on the information presented. It was Samsung's job to preent these facts if they felt such invalidates Apples patent. If they didn't that is on them.

It didn't help that Koh refused to allow quite a bit of prior art, and evidence that Samsung had done similar designs, along with a time limit.

Here in the forum, we have the luxury of presenting any evidence without being cut off :)

On side note, the Tilt to Zoom feature found in some of the Galaxy phones is not a bad alternative but I feel is not as intuitive as Pinch to Zoom. Any thoughts?

HTC had a pretty intuitive version at one time: you drew a circle around the area you wanted to zoom! (Just like you would with a highlighter on a photo.) This allowed not only picking the center of the zoom area, but the size of your circle gave a rough zoom amount because the contained area expanded to fill the screen.

There is no difference between a software patent and a hardware patent.

The way they're being given out now, there's a huge difference.

Read any of Apple's software patents and you will often see no details on implementation in the claims, just general ideas.

Basically, the mechanical equivalent of patenting a black box that magically threshes wheat. Only the idea, no actual reproducible or inventive method.

patents on touchscreen gestures are truly not in the best interest of the consumer

This is the problem I have with locking down gestures to the first company that pays to patent them. A gesture is simply a vocabulary for working with a touchscreen.

It is not good for the consumer if every device had a different vocabulary.

It's like requiring cars to have pedals arranged differently, or even not be pedals at all in some vehicles. Sure, you'd come up with clever rearrangements, but that doesn't help the user, nor the industry in the long run. Users need to feel comfortable moving between devices, for them to adopt them.
 
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Ah yes - but here in the forum - it's just as easy for people to ignore facts when they are presented ;)

If only you two had worked for Samsung's legal team or better yet were on the jury this judgement might have gone their way. :)
 
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What if Apple touches it's own stripper?Does it get bitch-slapped? Or is it the pimp?:eek:

Also, if Apple lets people touchy after they pay....that's just PROSTITUTION!

lol, now we are taking this analogy maybe a tad bit too far. ;)
 
Kearns INNOVATED a better way to do the same thing.

It might be that his innovation from Amos' work was enought to warrant a new patent, but I'm unsure it's correct to claim that he "invented the windscreen wiper".

And, BTW, surely you realize that the John Amos intermittent wipers probably never worked properly, right? I mean, LUCAS? Seriously? Lucas electrics were so unreliable Lucas was referred to as the "Prince of Darkness." :D

That's another lovely feature of patents: you don't need an actual product at all to enforce them. Thanks to this feature you have a few inventors actually being able to protect their idea until the production happens, but also more and more patent troll companies trying to get bought by the big fish or collect royalties from the small fishes.
 
The fact pinch and zoom as well as a grid payout with rounded icons can be patented this is completely nuts.

Excuse me while I patent the rear view mirror and sue any car maker that dare use it.

I dont see how samsung is supposed to get around pinch and zoom, its an essential component to a touch screen.



i mean not to something as simple as that, but don't car companies do it all the time? and other companies need to pay royalties till basically where its just so common that the patent becomes void?
 
Quite a few armchair lawyers in this forum.
not just here, everywhere. One minute the jury is smeared for not being well versed in IP, the next they're smeared because the foreman has a patent and therefore must be biased. Jury gets smeared for deciding too quickly yet all the armchair experts on Engadget and the like who weren't in the court room, didn't hear any testimony or see all the evidence and who probably took less than a few minutes to type their comments on tech site know better. And these same people upset with the jury making up their minds too quickly had their minds made up before the trial even started. :D
 
Are you 12 years old or just stoned?

Yes....Tap (double) to Zoom is owned by Apple! (see Utility Patent '163)

ps. I find Tap to zoom waaaay easier and faster than pinch to zoom for reading text.

For viewing photos, I like pinch to zoom better.

/two cents

30 and sober enough to not spend my time reading patents. Hence the question. Thanks for chiming in.
At least I can agree with you that tapping is more effective for text.
 
Microsoft is the real winner here. They have been quietly "innovating" and no one has been paying attention. Most of the people that I know that have experience with Windows Mobile 8 (tech vendors) believe it to have potential. The more time I spend with Windows 8, the more I like it. The Surface has great potential. Not only is it an independent computer, the ability to add domain security should make it very attractive to business. Out IT department will begin trials in October/November. And I also believe there will be some lingering resentment if in fact their proposed ban of Samsung phones/tablets is approved by a judge. I look for more people to turn to future Windows 8 mobile offerings.

Computers and TVs running Windows 8 and Kinnect - that's a radical change.
 
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FingerWorks It was called, a multitouch company of some sort where all the multitouch tech came from. Which Apple aquired.

Fingerworks made 3rd party input devices...not integrated computers with capacitive touch input which changes the level of integration and the number of problems to solve completely.
 
Microsoft is the real winner here. They have been quietly "innovating" and no one has been paying attention. Most of the people that I know that have experience with Windows Mobile 8 (tech vendors) believe it to have potential. The more time I spend with Windows 8, the more I like it. The Surface has great potential. Not only is it an independent computer, the ability to add domain security should make it very attractive to business. Out IT department will begin trials in October/November. And I also believe there will be some lingering resentment if in fact their proposed ban of Samsung phones/tablets is approved by a judge. I look for more people to turn to future Windows 8 mobile offerings.

Computers and TVs running Windows 8 and Kinnect - that's a radical change.

People aren't realizing that the iOS platform is aging...terribly. If Windows 8 is at the (well) core of every computer, xbox and windows phone....then Apple will be shaking in their boots. Forget Android.

OSX still doesn't have the marketshare of Windows and if Wndows 8 has a greater integration....then I can see iOS falling hard and fast. I mean, Apple's (ironically) problem is they created do different OSes that were too different. From looking at developer documentation, a lot of the code will be shared across platforms. Unlike iOS/OSX combo, a developer only has to change a few things...if any at all..and your app is on 4 different devices (tablet, phone, tv, xbox).


Like you said, radical. I think Apple thought of it too late. In away, dumbing down OSX over time.

But, then again, not really confident in Ballmers' vision.
 
You don't appear to know what a bubble is.

Actually, I do. an 800% rise in stock value in 4 years seems to be a pretty good indicator. Though, being that this site is chock full of fanboys that put their hearts before their minds, I expected that kind response.
 
Actually, I do. an 800% rise in stock value in 4 years seems to be a pretty good indicator. Though, being that this site is chock full of fanboys that put their hearts before their minds, I expected that kind response.
Lol.
 
"Apple is likely to seek a tripling of the damage award based on rulings that Samsung's infringement was willful."

Ha! That is a pretty bold move on Apple's part, given that they were just awarded over a billion dollars. But Apple has always been a bold company. I don't see much chance of them succeeding in this motion, though, but then again Apple has a pretty damn good legal team.

Its not about the money. it is about sending a message.
 
Fingerworks made 3rd party input devices...not integrated computers with capacitive touch input which changes the level of integration and the number of problems to solve completely.

Yes, i know. But the tech behind it all is all them.
 
Complete nonsense, pinch to zoom is the most practical and logical method of employing zoom on a mobile device. The fact that it is something that is there is a patent for is scary. This entire case was nonsensical at best.

As they said to Columbus: Anyone could have sailed west and discovered America. And Columbus answered: Sure, anyone could. But I did.

If this was so practical and logical, then why didn't anyone do it before Apple?

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Interesting that you bring up the Galaxy S3. Several patent experts have made note that this model is devoid of all infringing items, unlike the previous models. If Samsung was so certain Apple had no case, why such a major change. Perhaps because in fact they knew they had a strong chance of losing so they finally innovated and actually did their own work.

Of course "A huge customer of our electronics department _claims_ his patents are infringed and is taking us to court about it" would be a good reason to look for alternatives, whether the claim is correct or not.
 
Actually, I do. an 800% rise in stock value in 4 years seems to be a pretty good indicator. Though, being that this site is chock full of fanboys that put their hearts before their minds, I expected that kind response.

Do you realise that AAPL has a P/E ratio of 15.88, and 100 billion in the bank. That's not a bubble, that's actual growth and savings. Granted, everyone could en masse decide to not buy iPads and iPhones tomorrow, and their value would implode. But that's true for any business.
 
Since Samsung makes all of the SoC components for Apple's iProducts, what would keep them from dropping Apple as a CPU fab client and telling Apple to shove it?

The fact that Samsung makes billions from selling things to Apple. And the fact that the Samsung VP responsible for components doesn't give a damn about his colleagues responsible for mobile phones, and he is _not_ going to give up his profits and his huge bonus for these guys.

Very tellingly, the Samsung CEO has demonstratively stayed away from company discussions of this court case; this is _not_ a problem of Samsung, this is the problem of Samsung phones.
 
Yes, i know. But the tech behind it all is all them.

...Uh, no not really.

The difference between a multi-touch keyboard and an iPhone is large a gap as the difference between typewriter and a fully equipped Mac Pro Workstation. You're talking about essentially one API within a grouping of hundreds or thousands that all have to work together vs. something that plugs into an already built ecosystem.
 
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