Samsung Executive Calls Apple vs. Samsung Ruling 'Worst Scenario for Us'

[dalexa]

Yes now it is, it was like magic on the original iPhone.

and although it was new at phones the idea was not new at all...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2oMmCyiJZA


there's a big issue with patents. they should protect how you get to a result and not the result itself.

if someone invents for instance multi touch he should patent how he got there. the process. how he got it to work. not the fact that it works.

others will need to develop multi touch if they want to use it but they will need to do some research for it and if they use the process that you patented then yes, protect it.


now it's like saying... hey, i've created the color red. red is unavailable from now on... even if you discover a new mix of pigments for it.

 

[Peace]

I think Apple wanted 30 dollars per phone for pinch and zoom? Which does nothing? And Apple was willing to pay .2 cents for each phone with Samsungs 3G patents which make the phone....work?

That. Is not true or accurate.

 

[Reach9]

Mr. Choi,

You had the opportunity to stop several times. YOUR ARROGANCE brought this SHAME upon your Company, and the People of S. Korea.

You and your entire executive team should resign immediately in an attempt to save face for your citizens.

But the main question is.. does he have Gangnam style?

 

[Glideslope]

There is no big deal here, it's just a news item for salivating Apple fans.

Of course Samsung will appeal, and the saga will continue for months to come and might have a totally different outcome in the end.

Really? Must be packing away those Spaten Lights today? Ya?

 

[DAVIDUGLY]

Obviously the ruling is going to be thrown out. I assume you all caught the quotes from the jurors which came soon after...oh boy.

 

[G51989]

Why ? Apple introduced it and patented it.

People don't realize the iPhone started this whole smartphone craze. Without Apple i'd hate to see what smartphones looked like.


enter crappy pics of outdated useless comments.

Apple Started the whole smart phone craze? Your clearly 12, or lived under a rock at the time.

 

[Peace]

Apple Started the whole smart phone craze? Your clearly 12, or lived under a rock at the time.

I'm almost 60 and live in a house.

just sayin'

 

[theluggage]

Exactly. If it was such an essential and obvious feature.

Talking of essential and obvious features, look at the patents Samsung was asserting against Apple - "Integrating a camera, phone and email", "Playing music while running another App", "Bookmarking an image in a gallery app".

There are no "good guys" in this case.

 

[milani]

Why?must be a product wildly popular or else it doesn't count if it has this "technology" "innovation" or whatever you call it?
Lets see what will happen if Google get the ok for the notification bar.

Google's notifications patent is quite narrow. It likely won't be enough to use as a weapon against Apple or any other company.

 

[SpectatorHere]

Apple Started the whole smart phone craze? Your clearly 12, or lived under a rock at the time.

I don't agree with much of the decision generally think it will be bad for consumers, but I think you must be thinking of blackberries as smartphones or something?

Apple brought Wifi, full html support browsing, large touch-sensitive screen, calendar, contacts, camera. The closest thing on the market offering something similar was a Treo...and it sucked, lacking many of those features.

The iPhone was the first true smartphone.

 

[nick_elt]

I agree. If the damages are trebled and if this case isn't tossed out on appeal, Samsung will increase prices on AAPL for all components on future contracts. Everyone will pay more.

OR

Don't be surprised if Samsung approaches AAPL and says that it will dump Android altogether if AAPL decides to drop the case in appeal. Samsung will still make phones, but they'll partner with Microsoft and still sell components to AAPL. That way Samsung effectively kills off Nokia and makes AAPL dependent on its components.

The only significant Android OEMs left will be Motorola, HTC, LG and Sony. All of them too small to affect AAPL.

Samsung cant just up their prices for components as they are locked
Into long term agreements which is why Apple gets the parts so cheap and even if samsung said to Apple we are going to double our prices, Apple can just go elsewhere. Id be
Suprised if in say 5 years they will be so dependant on samsung parts anyway. But Its not going to happen overnight.

 

[gorskiegangsta]

Tell me how a grid of icons isn't obvious. We've been seeing a grid of icons for YEARS now. From the first desktops, to the PDAs, to earlier smartphones. The only thing Apple added to the base concept was "colorful icons".

The grid of icons was not the entirety of this trial. But, if you want to single out that single claim, Samsung's grid of icons (in TouchWiz) looks dramatically more like the iPhone's than anything else on the market. Their grid of icons was made to look less like stock Android and more like iOS.

The patents cover not the idea itself, but the implementation of the idea. If one can't offer a different implementation - which Samsung could've easily done by simply offering stock Android - then licence it from Apple. Microsoft has done both, offer a different implementation of the icon grid (with tiles) and cross licenced it with Apple; no reason Samsung couldn't have done the same.

The problem is not with "obviousness", but with laziness. Samsung has gotten too used to freely copying others' designs to the point of blatant obviousness (remember the timing on S-cloud and S-voice, I am sure that was also coincidental /s) and now they are whining because they won't be able to rapid fire out clones and would instead have to put some effort in their designs. This is good for consumer. What's better, a few well designed, unique handsets or a whole bunch of crappy iPhone knockoffs? I'd say the former. You may disagree, but then again, that may be where we differ in opinion.

 

[MattInOz]

The solution is simple:

Dear Tim Cook,

Good luck finding replacements for all the parts we make for you for your iPhones and iPads.

Love,

Samsung

Dear Samsung,
just signed another 1 Billion dollar supply contract with Samsung Austin Semiconductor this morning.

Do you want to cut them a check or should I?

Tim.

 

[sransari]

I am not familiar with patent law, but when you look at cars, they are remarkably similar. When you look at jets from AirBus and Boeing, they are remarkably similar. Many people if you asked them upon landing couldn't tell you if they had been on a Boeing or AirBus plane.

i am assuming that you're actually talking about the look as well as the utility of cars and jets...they all have similar parts and operations, etc, just like all smartphones have similar parts and operations. Google made a similar argument that apple shouldn't be able to patent such a broad area of technology since smartphones are so popular and the way they are used are popular and essentially standard. because an idea became super popular isn't an argument to prevent protecting the inventor of that idea.

car companies file thousands of patent applications each year on evolving and improved parts and features...similarly, smart phone companies file patent applications on on improved parts and features. While apple DOES sometimes try to get crazy with the broadness of their patents, they had a good case here vs samsung since samsung blatantly copied specific features of iOS and put it in their rendition of android.

The other thing to consider is that patent applications regarding smart phones are going to seek broader protection than patent applications regarding vehicles and jets since smart phones are relatively new and there's considerably less prior art on smart phones than there are with vehicles and jets.

 

[G51989]

I don't agree with much of the decision generally think it will be bad for consumers, but I think you must be thinking of blackberries as smartphones or something?

Apple brought Wifi, full html support browsing, large touch-sensitive screen, calendar, contacts, camera. The closest thing on the market offering something similar was a Treo...and it sucked, lacking many of those features.

The iPhone was the first true smartphone.

You clearly have zero idea what your talking about, or NEVER owned an original iPhone.

My Windows Mobile Phone Had full browsing, a large touch sensitive screen.

Calender? Contacts? Camera? You realize dumbphones had all of that in the 90s.

My Windows Mobile phone Also had. MMS, GPS, 3G, and Third party apps, the first iPhone didn't have any of that.

Yes, Blackerries are smart phones, so were Windows Mobile and Palm phones, they all came before the iPhone.

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I'm almost 60 and live in a house.

just sayin'

Then you would know, the first iPhone wasn't really the first smart phone, or a smart phone at all

Wasn't until the 3G/3GS that I got interested and got one myself. I kept my windows mobile phone till I got my 3GS

 

[InfinitiG]

 

[alhedges]

And why couldn't Samsung find a different way to implement a zoom on a smartphone? What if there was a roller below the screen? What if you tapped on the screen and that brought up a slider? Perhaps those aren't as elegant as Apple's solution, but there are other methods; Samsung took the easy way out.

Exactly - it shouldn't be hard at all. Double touch the screen, then slide one finger up or down to zoom in or out. No more complicated than pinch-to-zoom, and just as effective.

 

[G51989]

Image

Clearly stealing from Apple, Must be sued.

 

[alexgowers]

Samsung chose to copy rather than licence what was clearly apple innovations. Pinch to zoom, scroll bounce all these things are apple ideas no one did them before them and others should pay for the right to use them.

It's not like samsung innovated their own methods or even tried to make something other than a dumb single point touchscreen.

Without apple you would still be using a pretty crappy touchscreen or worse a qwerty.

With these technological advances making new input methods possible other manufacturers were just lazy.

It's a shame that samsung will get an underdog reputation and probably sell more phones because of the ruling.

It's sad but samsung is not the underdog in reality it's selling more phones than apple and is a real threat to well designed phones and innovation.

Apple is still merely protecting their considerable effort to make exciting new hardware and software.

I have a Samsung smart TV and it's real bad, nothing smart about it and i can only imagine the horror that is a samsung phone, my wifes google nexus is shockingly bad, she won't get another android now.

 

[nexusrule]

You're comparison is null because neither of those devices were multi-touch compatible screens. Nor were they what tablets are today. Pinch and Zoom are an essential part of touch screens today, not 10 years ago.
You'd really be happy if Apple was the only company allowed to use pinch and zoom?

Pinch and zoom is a gesture that serves the need of zooming on a part of an object pinching.
To be "essential" how you claim it to be, no other way to zoom part of an object should exist. But nobody would stop me to develop a gesture that zoom the part of an object I double-tap, for instance. So it's not "essential". It's a better and preciser way to zoom part of an object. Not the only one. An ingenious one, that is the reason one would patent it after inventing it.

That said nobody stop Samsung to use pinch and zoom, as Microsoft does in Metro. They just have to pay to Apple the licensing fees they refused to pay.

 

[MacCurry]

Samsung cant just up their prices for components as they are locked
Into long term agreements which is why Apple gets the parts so cheap and even if samsung said to Apple we are going to double our prices, Apple can just go elsewhere. Id be
Suprised if in say 5 years they will be so dependant on samsung parts anyway. But Its not going to happen overnight.

Agreements are different from contracts. Future contracts will be negotiated. Samsung will be a leader and innovator in consumer electronics with or without AAPL. AAPL will go to them because they offer the best product at the best price, albeit a little more expensive now.

 

[Foxykhat]

All those complaining about one should not have the right to patent shapes/rounded edge, should maybe contact Coca-Cola and tell them they can't patent or even trademark Contour Shaped Can.

F

 

[nexusrule]

I think Apple wanted 30 dollars per phone for pinch and zoom? Which does nothing? And Apple was willing to pay .2 cents for each phone with Samsungs 3G patents which make the phone....work?

If pinch and zoom does nothing Samsung simply shouldn't have implemented it. Think how many problem they would have avoided.

 

[DVD9]

"Apple is likely to seek a tripling of the damage award based on rulings that Samsung's infringement was willful."

Ha! That is a pretty bold move on Apple's part, given that they were just awarded over a billion dollars. But Apple has always been a bold company. I don't see much chance of them succeeding in this motion, though, but then again Apple has a pretty damn good legal team.

Who know how to buy Federal judges and rig juries.

The fact pinch and zoom as well as a grid payout with rounded icons can be patented this is completely nuts.

Excuse me while I patent the rear view mirror and sue any car maker that dare use it.

I dont see how samsung is supposed to get around pinch and zoom, its an essential component to a touch screen.

Did Apple patent the 2880 x 1800 resolution of the Retinia Macbook?

 

[grigby1]

The fact pinch and zoom as well as a grid payout with rounded icons can be patented this is completely nuts.

Excuse me while I patent the rear view mirror and sue any car maker that dare use it.

I dont see how samsung is supposed to get around pinch and zoom, its an essential component to a touch screen.

Actually, Percy Shaw did patent the rear view mirror in 1935. Not sure nor do I care how many times he had to defend is patent. Personally, I think it was a pretty good invention.