Samsung Executive Calls Apple vs. Samsung Ruling 'Worst Scenario for Us'

[Renzatic]

I mean... that's the direction smartphones were headed, right?

Not bloody likely... I've seen NO indication that smartphones would have made a radical transformation without the iPhone.

So the notion that "Apple predicted this" and "it was gonna happen anyway" is absurd.

...yet once again:

...which was announced at the end of 2006 and released early 2007. Screencentric candybar phones weren't unheard of even before Apple released the iPhone. Most companies assumed their customers preferred a physical keyboard to virtual representation, and chose not to focus on...well...what the iPhone ended up popularizing.

Apple didn't reinvent the concept of the smartphone. Didn't invent the technologies They took a risk with a relatively untested form factor, gave it that polished Apple touch, and it paid off for them. Wildly so. Then, yes, everyone else followed their lead.

So, once again, Apple popularized the modern smartphone, but they didn't single handedly invent it.

edit: and holy crap, look at that phone icon.

 

[G51989]

Of course it's the worst scenario for them - they are no longer allowed to flagrantly copy Apple. Even if they manage to come up with their own designs, I still won't buy their garbage.

Maybe it'll also motivate apple to come up with a better phone, Because I won't buy their Garbage

 

[Taz Mangus]

In california, any ruling can be Tripled if the party willingly knew.

Isn't it also the case where Samsung will have to pay Apple's attorneys fees as well?

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Maybe it'll also motivate apple to come up with a better phone, Because I won't buy their Garbage

Wow, even needed to capitalize "Garbage". Rant much?

 

[62tele]

you can only stick you hand into the cookie jar some many time before someone realizes cookies are missing. Samsung made a 1 billion dollar investment in copying the leading tech companies star product and made billions selling copies. They have established themselves as worlds biggest handset company, have a huge base and that will not go away with this verdict. You could say Apple's iPhone was the ladder they used to be the biggest in the world. Not a bad return for the investment.

How true. Of the many things that I felt comical, was a photo of Samsung's packaging which was nearly identical to iPhone packaging. They went far beyond merely emulating Apple and the iPhone, they did, in fact, slavishly copy designs, concepts, marketing etc.

In fact, since the first androids were released it was obvious how the iPhone and iOs were copied.

 

[G51989]

Prove it.

ok, it has a larger, better looking display, I can swap our the batteries ( which in my personal case last longer than the iPhone battery does to start with ), it fits better in your hand, its more durable ( glass screen on the iPhone likes to shatter when dropped ), it has better hardware, and a better operating system, It also supports LTE, the iPhone does not. So its faster, stronger, and just plain better.

My Galaxy S3 has maybe half the battery life of my iPhone 4. Anecdotally speaking, if I leave the fully-charged S3 overnight without any apps running, the battery will have dropped about 20% or so by morning (7 or 8 hours later).

It does depend on the user, for me my S3 has been getting better battery life than my 4S ( yes, I carry both, the 4S is a work phone given to me by my employer. I have to carry both at all times + Zune. You think Note users have pocket problems )

The hardware is technically faster and the extra RAM is there as well. But Android isn't as efficient with its resources as iOS is. Simply put, Android phones need better specs to maintain the same UI performance as its less well-specced iOS competitor.

Needing better specs or not, I feel that ICS and JB are far far ahead of iOS.

I do notice that when I load up my home screen with widgets and icons, touchwiz gets pretty laggy, even on this powerful hardware.

I can't speak for your user experience, but for me, my S3 is so far ahead of my 4S. ( If you knew who I worked for, the fact that they give out iPhones as well as blackberries is hilarious. )

G51989, I think it's fine to state your preference but I think saying that the S3 gets better battery life, for example, is untrue. Unless you use Juicedefender, you're not getting anywhere near the battery performance that iOS has. And Juicedefender has a lot of drawbacks, which makes it an unfair comparison with iOS.

For me, it does, and yes I use Juice, and iPhones have plenty of third party apps for pretty much everything as well, so I think its a fair comparison.

I'm the kinda guy who buys the best tool for the job, like when I got my 3GS, I thought it was the best phone you could get, but now I think the S3 is the best phone you could get, so I got that. I see hardware and the OS that runs on it as nothing more than tools.

If apple would actually make new hardware, with an overhauled iOS thats great to use, ands a bigger screen, I'd be all for buying one.

 

[Corpski]

What does that have to do with anything? The fact a basic essential navigation tool can be patent is silly how does the iphone's popularity relate to ANYTHING I said?

The fact that no smartphone had it before the iPhone means it is absolutely NOT essential. Samsung could put 2 hardware buttons on the side of their smartphones to zoom in and out in and out, albeit not as elegantly. Samsung are NOT entitled to a free ride. Same with slide to unlock. Samsung could very well have just assigned a hardware button followed by a series of presses onscreen to unlock a phone, much like how it's done on Nokia phones with keypads (no sliding at all).

By beating them to the punch and patenting these, Apple deserves to enforce these much like any other company would have had they done it first. These only became obvious because the iPhone made them obvious.

The way it seems right now, if Google had its way, no one would ever need to pay for any patents, ever. Anything that will add cost to the Android ecosystem would be considered EVIL. Google and Android OEMs want every phone feature entirely copyable at all times without any legal repercussions. The mentality of extreme cheapness is unrealistic and troubling.

 

[G51989]

Samsung is good at stuff. But they should have paid a license.

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[acosmichippo]

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Right, because one picture completely describes how samsung totally did not borrow apple's IP for pinch zoom and the icon grid for over 10 different smartphones. The Jury must not have seen this exonerating evidence.

 

[DanteMann]

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They look nothing alike. The GS3 looks like an ergonomic clean design, while the iphone looks like a brick with rounded corners with inefficient use of the front face.

 

[Glideslope]

But the main question is.. does he have Gangnam style?

Incheon Guy.

 

[Peace]

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Let's try this again using the real problem.

 

[DogHouseDub]

Apple got burned in the OS race when MS ran with their ideas and Apple didn't have the ip to fight back effectively.

They made damn sure that wouldn't happen again.

 

[G51989]

Let's try this again using the real problem.

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So, we compare the iOS home screen to the Android App Drawer! Makes sense!

 

[Mac-Mac-McAfee]

Guess those 'shocked' execs at Samsuck will just have to wait for Apple to lose a 1 billion dollar trial to see how Apple handles it so they can copy that too.

 

[G51989]

Apple got burned in the OS race when MS ran with their ideas and Apple didn't have the ip to fight back effectively.

They made damn sure that wouldn't happen again.

No, apple got pwned by Bill Gates. They signed a peice of paper licensing all the Apple patents for every single version of windows ever made, they got burned in court when they tried to get out of it. Then apple refused to follow an MS business model, and thats why the Mac never took off.

Thats the one thing I don;t like about Bill Gates, he pretty much singlehandly made sure the mac would be a niche product, forever.

 

[Lochias]

What's so special about smart phones?

The fact pinch and zoom as well as a grid payout with rounded icons can be patented this is completely nuts.

Excuse me while I patent the rear view mirror and sue any car maker that dare use it.

I dont see how samsung is supposed to get around pinch and zoom, its an essential component to a touch screen.

The rear view mirror has been patented -- again and again, as most good ideas are. For example, # 2,457,348 (1946, granted 1948), or
# 3,004,473 (1958, granted 1961).

What's your point? Obviously, you can get around pinch and zoom. Just don't pinch and zoom. For the twenty years of each patent, cars either had other ways of seeing the cars behind them, or had a mirror licensed for then-current conceps. Just as now.

 

[DeathChill]

So, we compare the iOS home screen to the Android App Drawer! Makes sense!

Hey, make sure to point out that Samsung actively used the app drawer in their advertisements!

 

[kdarling]

For all the people new to this forum:

Apple did not invent pinch to zoom.

Pinch zoom on computers dates from at least 1983.

It was later featured in both a 1993 concept film (scene cut) and a very famous and popular 1996 book from a Sun Microsystems UI developer:



It was demoed to Apple by at least one touch developer by 2003.

Not to mention Jeff Han showing it off in 2006. (Jeff Han is also the one who protested Apple's attempt to trademark "Multi-Touch" and got the USPTO to deny it.)

Also in 2006, this Linux developer phone was announced (shown next to the later iPhone) with multi-touch:



And pinch zoom was part of that phone's announcement as well.. months before the iPhone was first publicly shown off:


(The actual phone ended up not having multitouch due to price restrictions, but that doesn't matter. The idea does.)

Pinch zoom was not an Apple invention, not even close.

 

[polee]

Well Samsung, its time your learned that copying and pretending that everything is your own innovation is just not on.

 

[mex4eric]

How true. Of the many things that I felt comical, was a photo of Samsung's packaging which was nearly identical to iPhone packaging. They went far beyond merely emulating Apple and the iPhone, they did, in fact, slavishly copy designs, concepts, marketing etc.

In fact, since the first androids were released it was obvious how the iPhone and iOs were copied.

And now they have Samsung stores too!

 

[Renzatic]

Apple got burned in the OS race when MS ran with their ideas and Apple didn't have the ip to fight back effectively.

It had a lot to do with a lot, but it mostly centered around the fact that Apple didn't invent the GUI, licensed what they did, and couldn't patent what was the only way to efficiently present information on a computer screen.

They did get exclusive rights to the trash can, though.

 

[sinsin07]

Yeah, and Lodsys bought the in app purchase patent, so Apple, Google, and all those developers should pay up, right?

Apple has a license from for in app purchase. That is not the issue.
"Lodsys acquired its four patents from former Microsoft CTO Nathan Myhrvold's Intellectual Ventures patent holding company. It turns out that Apple already has a license to those patents by virtue of an investment deal in Intellectual Ventures. That deal gave Apple (among other companies, including Google) a license to some 30,000 or so patents under Intellectual Ventures' control. "

ARSTechnica

Steve Jobs: "Picasso had a saying - `good artists copy, great artists steal' - and we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."

Maybe those companies Apple stole from will now sue Apple for billions.

Anyway, there could be a global settlement between Samsung and Apple. After all, that South Korean court declared that Apple had infringed Samsung patents the other day, and Apple won't be able to sell various iPhones and iPads there anymore.

You're telling half the story. They also banned Samsung products.
"The court banned sales of Apple's iPhone 4 and iPad 2, as well as Samsung's Galaxy S, Galaxy SII and Galaxy Nexus smartphones, as well as the Galaxy Tab and Galaxy 10.1 tablet computers."
WSJ

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Let's try this again using the real problem.

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And due to the screen the galaxy device is on makes that photo worthless and crap.
Put the Galaxy on the home screen not the app draw.

Due to that glaring error it makes entire photo argument crap.

 

[G51989]

And now they have Samsung stores too!

Samsung has had stores since the 90s....

 

[Renzatic]

Apple has a license from Lodsys. That is not the issue.
"Lodsys acquired its four patents from former Microsoft CTO Nathan Myhrvold's Intellectual Ventures patent holding company. It turns out that Apple already has a license to those patents by virtue of an investment deal in Intellectual Ventures. That deal gave Apple (among other companies, including Google) a license to some 30,000 or so patents under Intellectual Ventures' control. "

ARSTechnica

So lets go back to the core of the issue here...

Do you not think that someone owning a patent for purchasing goods from inside a program to be incredibly ridiculous? Hell, it's a brilliant idea! Lets get a patent on the idea, then people can pay us for thinking of it first!

Lodsys is a piece of crap patent troll, but they can get away with doing what they do (or at least attempting to) because software patents are so incredibly vague.